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iszlq
June 18th, 2002, 03:59 PM
Does anyone out there know any good resources for learning (and perfecting) the butterfly stroke? I like the Total Immersion system, but it's focus is mainly on the crawl. How do those principles translate to butterfly and breastroke? Thanks for any help!!

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Lisa

emmett
June 18th, 2002, 04:15 PM
TI also has a complete course of instruction for the short axis strokes, breast and fly. Their tape for these strokes shows an excellent skill/drill progression for learning either stroke. www.totalimmersion.net

Matt S
June 19th, 2002, 07:38 AM
Lisa,

You can also go to the H2Ouston club web site (Emmett's very own club) and in the Articles section (http://www.h2oustonswims.org/frames/home.html) are two excellent articles. First read "Slip Slidin' Away", which explains the short axis pulse. Then read "Vive le Papillion" which talks about how to practice fly in a workout.

Matt

Matt S
June 19th, 2002, 07:53 AM
Lisa,

You can also go to the H2Ouston club web site (Emmett's very own club) and in the Articles section (http://www.h2oustonswims.org/frames/home.html) are two excellent articles. First read "Slip Slidin' Away", which explains the short axis pulse. Then read "Vive le Papillion" which talks about how to practice fly in a workout.

Matt

cinc3100
September 25th, 2002, 12:37 PM
I was trying to find the post on distance

cinc3100
September 25th, 2002, 06:14 PM
I was trying to find the post on distance butterfly. Anyway with the 200 fly the best thing to do is to practice it in workouts. Back in the 1970's, I lowered the time from abut 2:55 to 2:47.4 in meters, when I had a coach that had you do at least three 200's butterfly in a workout. Most of us can't do this now but doing a 200 fly once in a while without stopping I think helps you swim at. These days, I would be very lucky to break 4 mintues.

mattson
September 25th, 2002, 06:22 PM
Originally posted by cinc310
I was trying to find the post on distance butterfly.

Are you thinking about the Workouts forum? It has two threads, "How about workouts for the 200 fly?" and "Distance Butterfly".

mattson
September 25th, 2002, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by iszlq
Does anyone out there know any good resources for learning (and perfecting) the butterfly stroke?

As other people have mentioned, the TI part is the emphasis on using the core muscles, rather than pulling with just the arms.

A non-TI source are the books by Cecil Colwin, either "Swimming Into the 21st Century" or "Swimming Dynamics". If all you are concerned about it butterfly stroke, it probably has a lot that won't interest you. If you want to know the history, techniques, and theory behind the strokes (in addition to the section with drawings of people swimming the strokes correctly), these are good books.

Most importantly, find a good coach. I've discovered a huge difference between what I thought I was doing, and what my butterfly actually was (from the coaches perspective).