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jim thornton
June 26th, 2002, 10:55 PM
I feel I know many of you frequent forum contributors even though I've never actually laid eyes upon you; along these lines, I'm wondering if maybe we could arrange a Long Course Nationals get-together, perhaps raise a cup of grog so that when we correspond via this forum in the future, we'll actually be able to put a face to the words we are reading (and which I personally have found so helpful about all things swimming).

I signed up for the meet via the online registration process, incredibly easy, by the way; unless something unforeseen occurs between now and August 15th, I plan to be in Cleveland along with some of my teammates from Sewickley, PA (we'll be swimming for Allegheny Mountain Associations Masters). Anyhow, if anyone out there is up for it, perhaps we could decide upon a rendezvous spot poolside, then go out for a beer when the day's events are over.

Hope to meet some of you guys.

Ion Beza
June 26th, 2002, 11:27 PM
Count me in, Jim.

Matt S
June 27th, 2002, 05:52 PM
Jim-ster,

I'm there, and I'll see if I can bring along the rest of the family medley relay as well--half of them hailing from Westview and Belleview, PA.

Hopefully the thought of Ion and I in the same room won't scare off everyone else.

Where is Tall Paul? Are you up for this?

Matt

Ion Beza
June 27th, 2002, 10:11 PM
Originally posted by Matt S

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Where is Tall Paul?
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Matt
Tall Paul in the last year meet, was corrupt with pizza and beer.

Corruption worked well for him, as in a 1:58.61 in 200 meter free...

Laura Groselle
June 28th, 2002, 10:22 AM
I recommend the Great Lakes Brewing Co. Pub and Restaurant
2516 Market Ave.
216-771-4404
Located just west of downtown, 2.5 miles from the pool and even less from most of the hotels.

Paul Smith
June 28th, 2002, 01:43 PM
Sorry gang, but Laura and I are passing on LC this year. Hopefully were going to make the trek down to Melbourne in October, my Aussie buddies tell me they have have a far better pre race diet than the infamous "pizza/beer" I've championed!

Ian Smith
June 28th, 2002, 02:26 PM
Although not 'tall' & not 'Paul', this Smith would be pleased to share a cold one (or two), even though I have probably not made the National Qualifying Number of Posts.

All things being equal, I will be at the meet (they have my money already so my Scottish ancestory will incent me to show up).
Ian.

Philip Arcuni
June 28th, 2002, 03:43 PM
As champion poster (especially when you include my aliases) I also regret to say I will not be attending. Hawaii depleted my discretionary funds, and I am saving my money for a new age group and Rutgers in 2003, where I hope to meet all my east-coast virtual buddies. (and I won't talk politics.)

Have a great meet all of you, and swim fast. And Cleveland is a really nice place to have a meet.

jim thornton
July 6th, 2002, 12:04 AM
Guys,

I just got back from Ocean City, NJ and am glad to see I will be able to meet some of the freqent posters in Cleveland, including Ion (a legend in the forum world) and Matt S. (ditto) and Ian (a somewhat less frequent but no less worthy poster in his own right.) Sorry about Phil and Tall Paul, but perhaps we will reconnoiter at some future meet.

Due to a quirk in the USMS rules, I get to swim as a 50 year old, even though I am not yet technically 50, so I am hoping to get my first ever top 10 finish in something. I suspect it might make sense to have our goblets of grog later, rather than earlier, in the meet progression00maybe Friday or Saturday or even Sunday. Anyhow, I look forward greatly to meeting one and all. You can probably recognize me--I will be the one gasping for breath at the conclusion of every event I enter, perhaps being assisted out of the water and administered aspirin to prevent thrombosis.

Laura, your suggestion for a beer emporium sounds great. I understand that when taken with aspirin, the thrombosis-thwarting effects of beer are quite powerful indeed.

Jim

Ion Beza
July 6th, 2002, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by jim thornton
Guys,
...
Due to a quirk in the USMS rules, I get to swim as a 50 year old, even though I am not yet technically 50, so I am hoping to get my first ever top 10 finish in something.
...

Me too, I get to swim as a 44 year old, still in the age group of 40 to 44 for now, even though I will be 43 year old during the meet.

It is one funny FINA rule, while most of the FINA rules are sound.

When USMS changed to FINA rules for determining ages in 1999, I jumped from competing in the summer of 1998 as a 39 year old, to competing in the summer of 1999 as a 41 year old, thus I skipped one year.

Originally posted by jim thornton

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I suspect it might make sense to have our goblets of grog later, rather than earlier, in the meet progression00maybe Friday or Saturday or even Sunday. Anyhow, I look forward greatly to meeting one and all.
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Laura, your suggestion for a beer emporium sounds great. I understand that when taken with aspirin, the thrombosis-thwarting effects of beer are quite powerful indeed.

Jim
I wonder about Friday as maybe the best, but I don't know what Ian, Matt and Jim are saying yet about this...

I should be under the banner San Diego Swim Masters, but it might be that no one is organizing it: at UCSD where I train, and where there is a bulk of fast swimmers spread over four workouts per day, I am not aware of anyone coming; in each meet, San Diego Swim Masters gets lots, lots and lots of points from the participants in Coronado, and they set last year the banner San Diego Swim Masters where I was hanging out, but they haven't contacted me this year as them coming.

I will find you Jim, and I will find Matt also.

Also I would need a ride if we go downtown, since I will be on foot, lodged 0.5 miles from pool, at 'Best Hotels and Suites'.

I wonder if Laura' suggested place has red thick beer, because by now I have already started to salivate thinking of the red thick beer's taste...

Ion Beza
July 6th, 2002, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by Ian Smith
Although not 'tall' & not 'Paul', this Smith would be pleased to share a cold one (or two), even though I have probably not made the National Qualifying Number of Posts.
...

Try two posts per day between now and August 15, first day of the meet, to bring up your total number of posts to a 'normal' 92.

Ian Smith
July 8th, 2002, 10:33 AM
Guys,
I am signed up for the Rock & Roll HOF dinner, whenever that is (Friday?). Any time working around that is OK for me. If all are going to this RRHOF event, maybe we could put together a table?

Jim: Go for that Top 10 while you can get it and, what's more, mentally go for it in the age group below you. FINA has just published the 2001 World Top 10's and a number of us managed to make the T10 in the age group one under. Some did even better.
Ian.

Rob Copeland
July 8th, 2002, 02:27 PM
Congratulations to Ion Beza, who recently became the first Masters Swimmer to officially pass the century mark (thatís 100) in posts to the USMS discussion forum!!!

Thanks for keeping it interesting!

emmett
July 8th, 2002, 03:43 PM
Of course, for that century mark to be accurate, one would have to go back and total the posts from the old forum.

But then, counting only the posts in this new forum levels the playing field so that Ion is competing only with those who started posting at the same time he did.... :)

Rob Copeland
July 8th, 2002, 03:55 PM
Emmett -

If we counted Ionís posting on the old and new Forum combined, then we would be celebrating him hitting the millennium mark, instead of just the century.

Ian Smith
July 8th, 2002, 04:20 PM
The question really is - If Ion tried really hard and made even more posts per week, would the speed of posts decrease? (relative to those who started posting when he did, of course)

Ion: I am taking your advice working on upping my average # of posts to 'normal' as you can see. My challenge is that I started posting late in life.

MetroSwim
July 8th, 2002, 04:37 PM
Not sure if this was covered already, but has anyone considered that there may be a correlation between posting frequency and the efficiency of the discussion forum?

Clearly, at times, the higher frequncy of posts in the old forum had a negative impact.

Ion Beza
July 8th, 2002, 06:04 PM
In the old forum I was still using my name, so I wasn't hiding from the merits of my claims and from being kept track of.

In threads I was participating in, there was a lot of heckling by people who remained 'Anonymous', and whose claims were unverifiable.

'Anonymous' individuals in the old forum, did post, including in threads I wasn't participating in, in unaccounted numbers of posts.

As for allegedly posting the most so far in the new forum, people still can have now multiple aliases here, thus multiple accounts of posts.

In many of my posts, I discuss something debatable and introduce swimming statistics and opinions from other sources that are not so much present in this forum.
Reading my posts and participating in debates with me, are of course voluntary.

jim thornton
July 8th, 2002, 06:25 PM
First, I for one think that Ion's numerous postings--and the unbelievably large number of replies his threads engender--speak to his ability to tap the pulse of us masters swimmers and come up with topics of interest and volatility. If masters swimming ever gets big enough to have its own talk radio show, I nominate Ion as the host.

Second, and getting back to the Cleveland Beer Fest Rendezvous idea (with a little swimming on the side), how about this modest proposal:

We get together for a Posters Pitcher on Saturday night (since the Rock n Roll thing is on Friday)? I also agree with the possibility of getting a Posters Table or two at the Rock n Roll thing, though I will have about 6 teammates with me, and I suspect some of the other posters will have some teammates as well. Maybe...I was just about to say something a bit on the sexist side, but caught myself in time, thankgod.

Anyhow, of those planning to go to Cleveland and interested in Laura Kessler's beer emporium suggestion, how about a Saturday night beerfest? Maybe we can even get some barbequed lampreys or other similar Cleveland delicacy to help wash down the beer with?

Philip Arcuni
July 8th, 2002, 06:31 PM
for those who have not been paying close attention and may think Ion is being paranoid, he is referring at least to me. I have three aliases at the moment: this one, another based on my home computer, and another that I use for humor/parody (and is a remnant of a controversial thread from the old forum - It was the best of threads, and the worst of threads.) None is secret, and I would be surprised if anyone is not aware that I am the author of all of them.

The ease of creation of alternate aliases in the old forum added humor and perspective to the postings which is not present in this more cumbersome format. And no, I do not agree that the fewer number of postings is all of a good thing. Yes, things are more civil, but that does not seem that high a priority, to me. This is a pretty civil group, anyway; have a look at the flames in rec.sport.swimming !

But I must say, Ian's (Ian with an a) post made me laugh!

Matt S
July 8th, 2002, 06:46 PM
Jim,

Just putting my oar in: I'd prefer a Thur or Fri get together. I have no events Sat, and my wife has arranged to visit some relatives she has in the area. I'm assuming Sun is out because many folks will be sprinting to the airport as soon as their last event is over. (I also have 2 of my 3 individual events that day.)

The R&RHoF Social Event is not a conflict for me because with our whole clan here, including several children, and $30/person, I can't see going to that one. (Also, my father the classical music buff has colorfully expressed his disinterest in visiting the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame.) However, I am sure it will be an impressive event, and I am all for accomodating those who are attending.

Let me know what you decide, and I will work with that. See you there.

Matt

Ion Beza
July 8th, 2002, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by Ian Smith

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Ion:
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My challenge is that I started posting late in life.

Ian,
one of my present challenges is that I started English late in life, behind three other languages, two of them that today I still master better than English.

However I enjoy immersing myself into discussions of a hobby I believe in as long as they are not vulgar, and for other people concerned about the quality versus the quantity of these discussions, I remind them of the 'ignore' feature in the forum, and that reading and participating is their choice.

Ion Beza
July 17th, 2002, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by Matt S
Jim,
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The R&RHoF Social Event ...I can't see going to that one...
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Let me know what you decide, and I will work with that. See you there.

Matt
Jim,

what's the news on this 'Cleveland rendezvous, possible beer'? Still on?

Also, like Matt here, I am not inclined to go to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame event, since I am allergic to noisy crowded events that sap my competitive energy.
My preference would be a relatively quiet beer place on Friday, but like Matt I will work with what you decide.

You are the team leader on this, Jim.

Ian Smith
July 18th, 2002, 09:51 AM
Cleveland bound posters.......

Thursday is preferable for me. I have a 50 fly on Friday and a beer or two will make no difference to my time and provide a great excuse for the normal so-so showing (actually learning to swim fly properly would maybe help)

Friday: at the RRHOF (my kids would kill me if I DIDN'T go - and they won't even be there)

Saturday: OK but a second choice - have the 100 on Sunday and need to have enough energy to finish this borderline long distance event.

If it takes a couple of beer sessions to meet everyone, that's OK too. Worse things have happened.
Ian.

Am in the 60-64 50 fly, 50 & 100 free if anyone wants to coordinate pool-side after an event (or studiously avoid me)

Ion Beza
July 18th, 2002, 10:37 AM
So far, Ian, Jim, Matt and me, are joining for a beer.

Also, Bill Volckening, the United States Masters Swimming Editor for SWIM Magazine, had expressed interest in meeting USMS Forum posters, and might join us, but it's not decided yet.

Anyone else?

jim thornton
July 18th, 2002, 12:28 PM
It looks like at least half of us are going to the RRHOF on Friday, so that leaves Thursday and Saturday as the most likely beer rendezvous times. I am personally swimming the 800 Free on Thursday, but I know that at least Ian is not, and since this is the first day of the meet, it might be hard for everyone to actually locate each other in time.

Thus, it seems to make more sense to me to arrange a Saturday outing because that will give us more time to actually find out who the other people are and get the logisitics ironed out.

So as de facto team leader, I suggest the following:

1) we go out for beers on Saturday night, each of us reinforcing in the others that drinking to the point of vomitous inebriation is NOT a good idea and will negatively impact Sunday's swims. We should, therefore, drink just short of the point of vomitous inebriation. (Note: on rereading the above posts, I just remembered that Sat. is not ideal for Matt Shirley. Matt, do you think you and your family could join us for a quick beer BEFORE going to see your wife's relatives? Who knows? This might make the familial visit all that much more enjoyable.)

2) we should try to make each other's acquaintance before Saturday, but in case we miss each other, why don't we meet at, say, lane 4, in the deep end of the pool, at the conclusion of the men's 50 meter swim on Saturday?

3) any and all teammates are invited to come along for our moderate drinking & camaraderie (see above comments on vomitous inebriation and avoidance thereof)

4) any and all other posters are earnestly solicited to join in the festivities.

5) finally, to make locating one and all easier, put down your details on the list below, copy the entire list, and post it anew. Details: Age group, swims, whether Saturday night is okay, and possibly if you're planning to go to RRHOF. (Note: when this list is complete, print it out and stick it in your swim bag and take it to the meet. We can try to find each other in between--a kind of scavenger hunt to dull the monotony of the meet.)

Ian Smith -- 60-64 -- 50 fly, 50 & 100 free; meeting preference #1 Thursday, #2 Saturday; Yes to RRHOF on Friday

Jim Thornton -- 50-54 -- 800, 400, 200, 100, 50 free, and 100 fly; meeting preference Thursday and Saturday both fine; Yes to RRHOF on Friday

Matt Shirley -- age? events? meeting preference?; No to RRHOF on Friday

Ion Beza -- age? events? meeting preference?; No to RRHOF on Friday

Bill Volckening, the United States Masters Swimming Editor for SWIM Magazine -- age? events? meeting preference?; RRHOF on Friday?
Hope to see you there! Jim

matysekj
July 18th, 2002, 12:38 PM
I'd like to make it to whatever get-togethers there may be if I can. Unfortunately, my post-meet time is generally consumed by posting daily results, but I'll see if I can work it out and still get some sleep in. If none interested in the get-together are swimming the 1500, we may be able to go out at a reasonable time on Thursday while the foolish ones are swimming the 1500.

Here are my particulars for the meet: M40-44, swimming 800 FR, 400 FR, 400 IM, 50 BR, 100 BR, 200 BR, attending the RRHOF event (possibly with family - undecided if they are coming down yet). No strong preference for day to meet, but earlier in the meet is generally better as more time is needed for results each day.

Ian Smith
July 18th, 2002, 01:36 PM
Jim,
This is shaping up well. I forgot, however, to mention that I will be accompanied (by 'she who must be obeyed'). She will be fine with a glass of wine while we have our beer. I hope this doesn't cramp anyone's style. It may help in the avoiding vomitous inebriation department.

Nevertheless, having run the Boston Marathon two of the last three years, if she finds a running group event, she could well joint them in preference.
Ian.

Ion Beza
July 18th, 2002, 04:47 PM
The list to the best of my knowledge so far, updates like this:

Originally posted by jim thornton

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Ian Smith -- 60-64 -- 50 fly, 50 & 100 free; meeting preference #1 Thursday, #2 Saturday; Yes to RRHOF on Friday

Jim Thornton -- 50-54 -- 800, 400, 200, 100, 50 free, and 100 fly; meeting preference Thursday and Saturday both fine; Yes to RRHOF on Friday

Jim Matysek -- 40-44 -- 800 free, 400 IM, 50 breast, 100 brest, 200 breast; meeting preference any day; Yes to RRHOF on Friday

Matt Shirley -- 40-44 -- 200, 400 free, 200 fly; meeting preference, we don't know yet: me Ion, I am filling information Matt gave me so far; No to RRHOF on Friday

Ion Beza -- 40-44 --800 free, 200 free, 100 free; meeting preference any day, Friday and Saturday are fine; No to RRHOF on Friday; club San Diego Swim Masters; won't have a rental car, but will take a taxi or get a ride

Bill Volckening, the United States Masters Swimming Editor for SWIM Magazine -- 35-39 -- 200, 400, 1500 free, 200 back, 200 fly, 400 IM; meeting preference, we don't know yet: me, Ion, I am filling information Bill gave me so far; Yes to RRHOF on Friday; club New England Masters; Hope to see you there!

Also, I acknowledge that we will meet most likely at the conclusion -for both women and men- of the 50 meter free, lane 4, on Saturday, if it's not decided that the beer rendezvous will take place before that, say Friday.

jim thornton
July 18th, 2002, 05:34 PM
Thanks, Ion. It looks like Saturday is most likely because so many of us are going to the Rock n Roll thing Friday.

Now what we need to do is get more people to sign up for our beer festivities!

I am confident several of my teammates will want to go. Bring family and friends as well.

One quick note--at these long course meets, they often start heats from both sides of the pool. When I suggested as the fail safe meeting place Lane 4 at the conclusion of the 50 free for men and women, I think we should make it the DEEP END of Lane 4 (assuming there is a deep end), otherwise, half of us might end up at the two different ends of Lane 4!

Thank god we don't have to organize the logistics of the war in Afghanistan...It's hard enough getting 6 people together for a beer in Cleveland.

PS We should get Laura Kessler to come and show us the brew house she has in mind. I'm pretty sure it's walking distance from the pool.

Matt S
July 18th, 2002, 06:52 PM
Jim,

OK, OK, Sat it is. Since I have no events that day, do you have a questimation as to when the conclusion of the Men's 50 will be? (I realize you may need to see the psych sheets first.) If we can confidently say our little soiree would start in the late afternoon, I can probably lobby my own "she who must be obeyed" to work around it.

To fill in Ion's blurb for me:
Matt Shirley -- 40-44 -- 200, 400 free, 200 fly; meeting preference: 1) Fri, 2) Thu (but give me a time frame since I will be arriving that day), 3) Sat; No to RRHOF on Friday.

BTW, given Ion's attention to detail scanning the previous posts and summarizing them for us, he might not do to badly with the logistics for operations in Afghanistan. BTWx2, since I am on the Staff of U.S. Transportation Command, I actually do work on the logistics for Afghanistan operations! :D (So there!!)

Matt

Ion Beza
July 18th, 2002, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by jim thornton

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One quick note--at these long course meets, they often start heats from both sides of the pool. When I suggested as the fail safe meeting place Lane 4 at the conclusion of the 50 free for men and women, I think we should make it the DEEP END of Lane 4 (assuming there is a deep end), otherwise, half of us might end up at the two different ends of Lane 4!

Thank god we don't have to organize the logistics of the war in Afghanistan...It's hard enough getting 6 people together for a beer in Cleveland.

PS We should get Laura Kessler to come and show us the brew house she has in mind. I'm pretty sure it's walking distance from the pool.
1) Looking at the picture, Robert Busbey Natatorium seems to have a shallow and a deep end. It's a slow pool, then...
So it's Saturday, after we meet at the conclusion of the 50 meter free, lane 4, deep end.

2) My hotel, 'Best Hotels and Suites' is 0.5 miles from the pool. A search on the Internet for 'Great Lakes Brewing Restaurant and Pub', gives driving directions from my hotel to the pub, that are 3.4 miles long. 3.4 miles plus 0.5 miles, that's almost 4 miles from the pool. 4 miles, or 6.4 kilometers, is more than one hour walk. Maybe we should take a taxi.
Laura could come with us, and confirm that the place has red beer.

3) No word yet from Bill.
In fact Jim Thornton being a sports writer and Bill being the editor of the Swim magazine, this get together is also good for professional collaboration.

4) We don't have a tall swimmer with us, picture of wellness in swimming; Jim Thornton I understood is 6'1", but that's still peanuts compared to Tall Paul.

jim thornton
July 18th, 2002, 10:52 PM
Thanks, guys. This should be lots of fun.

Matt, is there any way you might requisitiion a tank or something to ferry us from the pool to the bar? That way if we do get drunk, we won't really need a designated driver.

But perhaps I am being a bit selfish in my outlook here.

Congratulations on being a military logistician. This only serves to further corroborate my theory that masters swimming attracts the smartest and most interesting athletes around. It's probably because our brains have so much time to rest during the soothing monotony of swimming laps.

Ion Beza
July 19th, 2002, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by jim thornton

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Matt, is there any way you might requisitiion a tank or something to ferry us from the pool to the bar? That way if we do get drunk, we won't really need a designated driver.
...

Let's not be cheap here:
make it a helicopter, Matt.

Matt S
July 20th, 2002, 05:30 PM
People, people, people...

Any decent logistician knows that you can't fit our crowd into a tank, or any but the biggest helicopter.

What you want is an armored PERSONNEL carrier.;)

By the way, I think Carthage should be destroyed.

Gluttius Mattimus

Ion Beza
July 20th, 2002, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by Matt S

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By the way, I think Carthage should be destroyed.

Gluttius Mattimus
Not Saturday August 17, no.

We can talk about Carthage, Scipio, Hannibal, and phoenicians at the 'Great Lakes Brewing Company' pub.

Mark in MD
July 21st, 2002, 10:57 PM
Gee! I think I'll change my mind and drive to Cleveland (7 hours) in a borrowed taxi cab. Looks like I could make a mint (and enough to finance a trip to the Short Course Nationals next year) hauling a few extremely happy swimmers around.

All the best.

Mark

Ion Beza
July 21st, 2002, 11:38 PM
Originally posted by Mark in MD
Gee! I think I'll change my mind and drive to Cleveland (7 hours) in a borrowed taxi cab.
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All the best.

Mark
Are you serious about coming?

Saturday August 17, at the pool?

Mark in MD
July 22nd, 2002, 12:34 PM
Hey Ion,

The idea of using the taxi was in fun, but if the drive were a few hours shorter, like 10 hours round trip to the Pittsburgh area, then I'd go for it. I would be looking at a 14-16 hour round trip excursion, to be sure. To make the 8:00 A.M. start of the events, I'd have to leave at midnight. And then there's the trip back home. Ouch! :eek:

Anyway, we will be thinking of everyone there during that time. Oh well!

Just sign me,

Marcus Saddus :(

PS

For those into ancient history . . .

"Gallia est omnes divisa in partes tres." Anyone remember where this comes from? I think I got the Latin correct. Perhaps it should be changed to "USMS Forumes est divisa partes millennia!" :D

Ion Beza
July 22nd, 2002, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by Mark in MD

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For those into ancient history . . .

"Gallia est divisa in partes tres." Anyone remember where this comes from? I think I got the Latin correct. Perhaps it should be changed to "USMS Forumes est divisa partes millennia!" :D
That is "Wales is divided in three parts.", perhaps by Jules Caesar battling the Wesh named Vercingetorix.

Mark in MD
July 22nd, 2002, 04:36 PM
Close enough! It's the opening line to Iulius Caesar's (there is, as you may know, no "J" in Latin) Gallic Wars. The literal translation is "All Gaul is divided into three parts." I remember having to translate all of this in Latin class many years ago. Oh yes, for those who just might be tempted, I don't speak Latin as my native language! :rolleyes: See, I poked fun at myself. Bye for now!

Ian Smith
July 22nd, 2002, 05:08 PM
The quote actually is:

'Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres'

The "all" was left out. I too got subjected to this at school - seems to be a worldwide punishment to have to do Caesar's "De Bello Gallico". BTW, Vercingetorix was a Gaul who took a beating in what I believe is now Bourges in France (not Wales, for sure)

Not my favourite beer drinking topic......

Ian Smith
July 22nd, 2002, 05:15 PM
I just noticed that Mark got the quote correct but Ion's last post omits the 'omnis'.

Apologies Mark (I should read more carefully)

Ion Beza
July 22nd, 2002, 09:31 PM
Originally posted by Ian Smith

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BTW, Vercingetorix was a Gaul who took a beating in what I believe is now Bourges in France (not Wales, for sure)
...

Ian, I was living in France for 11 years, and I am familliar with the French word 'Les Galois' as designating the celtics during the Roman times, in now Europe (including now France) and UK.
When I saw Mark's quote, I looked in the French to English dictionary for translating 'Les Galois' from French into English; the dictionary says the translation is 'Wales', referring to the Wales in Roman times, not today's Wales in UK.
I even didn't know that the words 'Gaul', 'Gallic' exist in English, so I wrote 'Wales', like the dictionary says.
I know that Vercingetorix was in now France, known in Roman times as 'La Gaule' in French language, or 'Wales' in English language.
The French use the word 'Gaule' very often, in names for example: Charles de Gaule was a president in the 60s, Le Galois was a super-mathematician who demonstrated a marvel.

More history trivia:
1) why two consecutive months, July and August, have 31 days each?
answer: the ego of the Roman emperor Augustus, who didn't want to be outdone by predecessor Iulius Caesar.
2) what's the origin of the word 'Yankee' to describe Americans?
answer: New York was first New Amsterdam, with Dutch immigrants nicknamed 'Jan Kaas', translating to 'John Cheese'.

Originally posted by Ian Smith

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Not my favourite beer drinking topic......
With these trivias out of the way, Ian, we can proceed to the 'Great Lakes Brewing Company' pub with confidence that we will talk about something else.

strong440
July 22nd, 2002, 10:09 PM
try this for size, checking out my memory from circa 1940,
"Omnia Gallia in tres partes divisa est".

and I'll take this opportunity to introduce my new moniker, 200M359xx, the meaning of which I'll divulge when I can devote enough time to it.

Ion Beza
July 22nd, 2002, 10:29 PM
Originally posted by strong440
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...200M359xx, the meaning of which I'll divulge when I can devote enough time to it.
Easy to guess:
200 meter in 3:59.xx.

Ion Beza
July 22nd, 2002, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by Ian Smith
I just noticed that Mark got the quote correct but Ion's last post omits the 'omnis'.

Apologies Mark (I should read more carefully)
Ian,
Mark corrected the quote by editing what he already posted, after I quoted his post.

Mark in MD
July 22nd, 2002, 11:06 PM
Hey Ian, Ion and Doug!

Yes, I did correct my post after Ion wrote. I should have added that, so my apologies go to Ion. And yes, it should have been "omnis" and not omnes. Nice going, Ian! But then, Doug certainly adds another version to it. Maybe it's better I can't make it to Cleveland ... I would feel tempted to bring along the writings of old Iulius!

Mark

cinc3100
July 23rd, 2002, 12:29 AM
You mean, Gaius Iulius Caesar writings on his campagins in Gaul and the Civil War with Pompey. In the Alexanderian War according to Plutrach I believe he stated that Caesar actually swam.

Mark in MD
July 23rd, 2002, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by cinc310
You mean, Gaius Iulius Caesar writings on his campagins in Gaul and the Civil War with Pompey. In the Alexanderian War according to Plutrach I believe he stated that Caesar actually swam.

Cynthia,

You are fantastic! Yes, I also seem to remember something about Caesar swimming, too. Maybe a future get-together could include translating ancient history from Latin. Wouldn't time travel be interesting, to say the least?

Mark

Matt S
July 23rd, 2002, 03:56 PM
Oh what I have wrought with a harmless reference to the Barcids, and armored personnel carriers. That'll teach me to show-off knowing about more than just swimming. Someone tell that me we are not going to have a new discussion thread entirely in Latin, pulease!!

And if at Cleveland anyone would care to discuss the CONTENT, rather than the translation, of the Gallic Wars, just get a beer into me, and ask me about a tactical doughnut. (Federally required warning: scientific research has demonstrated that following the above described course of action will result into one's eyes rolling into the back of one's head, and loss of consciousness in 96.4% of the adult U.S. population.)

Gen Hippeis Mortatus

zoomer
July 23rd, 2002, 05:16 PM
Above course of action????? The above thread caused my eyes to roll back into my head, as well as a loss of consciousness. You lost me somewhere around the July and August discussion.
:D This has been fun to read, if not understood! Almost wishing I were joining the beer fest................

Mark in MD
July 23rd, 2002, 05:28 PM
So, Matt, is it your ghost who is posting for you? You signed yourself mortatus! :D Sorry, Zoomer, it IS getting boring isn't it? If Cleveland brings in all of this dreck, what will Arizona '03 bring? :rolleyes:

Tom Ellison
July 24th, 2002, 01:45 AM
Hey Mark:
Arizona will bring what AZ always brings.....HEAT..and LOTS OF IT!

Mark in MD
July 24th, 2002, 09:04 AM
Well at least it shouldn't be something we have on the east coast ... humidity. :rolleyes:

Ion Beza
July 24th, 2002, 10:20 PM
This was posted by Doug in the thread 'it's about time!':

Originally posted by strong440
hey Ion! you were half right! and thanx for your interest.
About 200M359xx, that is.
...
...flying to Cleveland.
...
...See yez or y'all there.

So, Doug are you interested in meeting with us, Saturday August 17, lane 4, deep water, at the conclusion of 50 meter free, so that later in the afternoon we can plan the world for a few moments at the 'Great Lakes Brewing Company' pub?

If so, please tell us the events you are swimming so that we can meet before and cheer for you;
I know your age group as 75-79.

If you come, I will update the list in this thread, posted earlier.

Mark in MD
July 24th, 2002, 10:48 PM
Hey Ion et al:

Good Lord . . . the thought of the world being planned at the Great Lakes Brewing Company pub by participants of this thread in a few hours worries me. Yeah! Yeah! I'm what Ricky Ricardo would say, "yellous." :D (That's Ricky Ricardo from the I Love Lucy television show for those who don't know.)

jim thornton
August 6th, 2002, 12:36 PM
One quick reminder since it's been a few weeks since anyone's written anything on this thread:

Anyone who wants to get together for the POSTERS' PILSENER, SWIMMERS' CERVEZA, or WHAT HAVE YOU, should meet at lane 4, in the deep end of the pool, at the conclusion of the men's 50 meter swim on Saturday.

We'll then make our way to the Brewing Establishment.

Hasta luego!

Matt S
August 6th, 2002, 06:14 PM
And, hopefully, we will not have "an aweful lot of esplainin' to do" on Sunday.

Matt

Ion Beza
August 6th, 2002, 07:45 PM
Originally posted by jim thornton

...
Hasta luego!
Hasta luego, Jim!

(By the way, what does 'Hasta luego' mean?)

IndyGirl
August 6th, 2002, 10:16 PM
Hasta Luego...Until later, baby! Cleveland, next week.
George Quigley and Mel Goldstein are buying

Paul Smith
August 25th, 2002, 10:41 AM
Hey Gang, how was the turn out for the big beer event? Did most of the worlds (or swimmig worlds) problems get solved! By the way, I just spoke with a young lady who felt a little slighted that your big event was a bit sexist in that it everyone meet during the 400 free?

Sorry we couldn't make it, however Laura & I tossed back a few (with some pizza), debated whether Cynthia was one of Ion, Matt or Phils alias', and generally hammered on each other in recognition of these "first annual" forum get together!

See you in Tempe!

cinc3100
August 25th, 2002, 12:06 PM
I wish that I were Phil. He does an awesome butterfly at 1:04. If he were a woman, he would be the top butterfly over 40 years old, giving Pipes-Nelison a run for her money. Ion, I like his Popeye but he doesn't like breastroke. I'm really a fair breastroker at least for the 50 meter. You can look up that I swam 50 meter breastroke and 100 meter breastroke in the top times for women 45 to 49. Put the list for 100 women for both, I was listed at 24 for 50 meter and 44 for 100 meter breastroke. So, it proves that I exist. Matt, he could beat me a good distance in freestyle in the 200 meter, probably now by almost a minute. He and I like Hannibal and P Cornelius Scipio Afrancius. He is interested in them because he is in the military and I because I like Roman history. I get carried away and have fun with these posts too much.

Phil Arcuni
August 25th, 2002, 10:40 PM
This is what I know:

Tall Paul and Cynthia both spend a lot of time in Arizona.

Tall Paul and Cynthia had formative swimming experiences in Southern California.

Tall Paul stopped posting as often when Cynthia got on the forum.

Both Tall Paul and Cynthia are friendly, gregarious persons.

Cynthia would really like to be like Paul, because he is *really* fast.

Both Tall Paul and Cynthia make spelling mistakes. ;)

OK, you all decide who is whos (whoms?) alias.

(Cynthia - I am making a joke!)

Ion Beza
August 25th, 2002, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by Paul Smith
Hey Gang, how was the turn out for the big beer event? Did most of the worlds (or swimmig worlds) problems get solved! By the way, I just spoke with a young lady who felt a little slighted that your big event was a bit sexist in that it everyone meet during the 400 free?
...

Bill Volckening, Matt Shirley and Jim Matysek ducked it.
In fairness to Jim, he did show up at the meeting place, but he had had to post daily results on the USMS web site, in addition to his swimming five individual events.

Rich Abrahams -the sprinter- displayed an interest to see our faces when it was meeting time, at the end of the 50 meter free for both men and women, not at the end of the 400 meter free for men -which indeed would have been sexist, since the 400 meter free men was isolated early in the morning-.

Karlene Trebesiner, Laura Val and Fritz Lehman -the backstroke star- did approach us in order to get to know us, during the meet.

Laura Kessler was pleasantly interested to see us when we approached her.

Now off to the doers:
Ian Smith -a sprinter from Canada, originally from South Africa and with a Scottish background, who quit swimming at age 20, 41 years ago, then resumed swimming last year-, Jim Thornton -who swam competitively for Michigan for one year, got out of the Michigan swimming, but kept swimming-, Melissa Varlas -a 200 meter backstroker and butterflyer who is coaching kids-, Lorraine -Melissa's mother-, Diane -Ian's wife who "...must be obeyed."-, and myself -slowed down in the meet by a glitch in workouts a little before the meet-, we met.

The meeting agenda included:

1. do I swim too much?
Melissa -who said that she has slow twitch muscles like me (but look for her top times in the meet in women butterfly and backstroke)- says no;
Ian and Jim -who have fast twitch muscles developed in age group swimming- say yes;

2. what can one do when dying in a race?
Ian says, change the stroke style, therefore change the muscles being employed;

3. Jim and Ian say that when watching my 800 free, they see a catch up pause, like it is advocated in Total Immersion; I say that Grant Hackett (Aus) who has the world record for 1,500 free, and Ian Thorpe (Aus) who has world records in 200 and 400 free and is among world top in 100 free, swim like that;
Ian said that my left arm is sometimes crossing the middle of my body; I have to watch this.

4. how come Diane is from Australia and not swimming?
(good question).

5. Jim asks what made me choose swimming at age 25?
I said that in France where I started, it seemd sexy in an Olympic club I was watching.

6. How much is Lorraine supervising Melissa?
(good question).

6. Jim said that my thread from March 2001, 'How competitive one can get by starting to swim at age 25?' is great.

7. I say to Jim that his thread about asking people when they did experience an adrenaline rush, thread intended to inspire him for an article in National Geographic, was a good idea; I waited for someone to post in it, so that my imagination would get started.

Recommendations:

a. Jim to conect with us friends, so that life stress alleviates.

b. Diane, to take up swimming.

c. Melissa to keep overcoming slow twitch with distance training.

d. Lorraine to keep supervising Melissa.

e. me, to get a life.

f. Ian, to slam less his fingers into the wall when finishing to sprint, otherwise injuries will keep piling; also, from now on, Ian is to swim more than 10 kilometers weekly.

When leaving, Jim was being aggressively solicited for money by a local, and I made sure that Jim was not left alone one-on-one with him, thus I stood by.

Originally posted by Paul Smith

...
Sorry we couldn't make it, however Laura & I tossed back a few (with some pizza), debated whether Cynthia was one of Ion, Matt or Phils alias', and generally hammered on each other in recognition of these "first annual" forum get together!
...

I see that Cynthia is herself, not somebody else:

Cynthia's rankings in women ages 45 to 49, the experience in her postings, make Cynthia a distinguishable individual from anyone else.

Also, when Cynthia writes "I get carried away and have fun with these posts too much.", people, be sensitive that this is an alarm that you are insulting the individuality of someone, for the second time now:
tasteless posts in another thread wrongly made this claim for the first time, and it took painful rebuttal by Cynthia there.

Mark in MD
August 28th, 2002, 03:20 PM
It seems that much was resolved and unresolved in Cleveland. Wonder what Arizona and New Jersey will bring? By the way, will there be a quiz in 2003 concerning 2002's discussions? Just wonderin'. :D

cinc3100
August 28th, 2002, 09:40 PM
Just referring to one of your favorite orators Mark, as Marcus Tullius Cicero stated in the 1st century before the common era. "O Morals and O the Times."

Mark in MD
August 28th, 2002, 10:40 PM
Hey Cynthia!

Very true, true! Perhaps the battle/victory cry for the 2002 LC Nationals should have been Veni, Vidi, Vici as written by Caius Iulius Caesar?

More useless Latin trivia:

nato -are, to swim, float; to stream to flow
natator -oris, m., swimmer
natatio -onis, f., swimming

Did you notice that the Latin word for swimmer is masculine gender? The Latin word for swimming is feminine gender. Now was there a little sexist attitude in Rome or did Roman men participate in a women's sport? :D (Yes, yes, I must have too much time on my hands to think of this.)

cinc3100
September 20th, 2002, 02:03 AM
I pick up Million dollar Mermaid, one of the books about Esther Williams. Ion right it is an interesting book. But it seems Esther has it out for short men but some of the short men she met were jerks. Also, a little about the old Los Angeles Athletic club and her coach that prevented her from attending the PAN AM games in 1940. Los Angeles athletic club dominated LA swimming until the suburb clubs of the late 1960s like Lakewood and Long Beach and Mission Viejo in Orange County in the 1970's came about. Her disappointment about not going to the 1940 olympics similar to those in 1980. But there was better reason for not having an olympics in 1940- a war of course. Also, working with Johnny Weissmuller in the Aquacade, a swim show. Johnny Weissmuller like to expose himself to the ladies and show he was a man. He tried to grop Esther all the time in the water. And the old MGM movie factory system. That's where I'm at in the book now.

IndyGirl
September 20th, 2002, 10:04 AM
I had a good friend growing up who would always ask me if I had seen a certain movie or read a book. Then she would proceed to tell me the entire plot of either one, thus ruining my potential enjoyment of reading or seeing on the screen.

I am not sure this is the best forum to give a book report, and I certainly don't appreciate being told the contents of a book that perhaps I would have enjoyed reading.

Cinc, please keep your comments as to how you enjoyed the book (or didn't) and allow us to read on our own.

Thank you.

Ion Beza
September 20th, 2002, 11:49 AM
Originally posted by IndyGirl

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...would proceed to tell me the entire plot of either one, thus ruining my potential enjoyment of reading or seeing on the screen.
...

It's bits of the book and an overview that are dicussed here, in line with debates.

Mark in MD
September 23rd, 2002, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by cinc310
. . . And the old MGM movie factory system. That's where I'm at in the book now.

I haven't read the book, Cynthia, but here's an interesting fact, about which I heard on either the America Movie Classics or Turner Classic Movies television channels. The gigantic pool, where those Esther Williams aquatics spectacles/movies were filmed, is still in its place, albeit floored over, but preserved. It was never dismantled. Now there's a place for a USMS promotional video! Guess I'll have to read the book, being the old movies freak I am.

Which reminds me. Speaking of Esther Williams, does anyone remember comedienne Carol Burnett's spoof on the Carol Burnett Show of an Esther Williams movie? It was hilarious. :D But then, I could go on about Carol Burnett, too.

Cheers!

cinc3100
September 23rd, 2002, 12:30 PM
Carol Burnett gets a kick out of making fun of many things. The set and old pool are still around. Esther Willimas grew up in Southwest LA in Ingelwood. In her day, most of the folks were causianian and then it became an afro-american neighborhood and now its become an hispanic neighborhood. DIfferent groups use it as a starting point.

Mark in MD
September 23rd, 2002, 04:07 PM
Wonder if we are talking about two pools. From what I gathered, the pool of which I speak was an indoor movie set. So, we might be talking about two different facilities here or of course, the same thing.

I trust that was a compliment to Carol Burnett! A mighty talented person she is, to be sure. <Right ear pull.>

Hooray for Hollywood!