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SomeChick
February 3rd, 2002, 10:13 AM
Greetings all!

I'm a recreational-level Masters swimmer who's been going for nearly a year now. I swim a mere 2x a week, 1hr a workout, and generally finish less than 5KM a week. This is fine for me, swimming is a hobby for me, and it fulfills my "hobby" requirements quite nicely.

I do, however, like to have goals, and distance goals just don't cut it for me. I decided that my main goal was to compete regularly, and to fill my event card, eventually, with times from 17 or 18 different events.

I want to do my best when it comes down to swim meets and being timed, and coincidentally, I also want to improve my (currently shoddy) eating habits, so I figured I'd come to others who might know...

What kinds of foods should I be eating the week before the competition? What kinds of foods should I be avoiding?

I would assume that McDonalds and the likes is assumed - but how harmful are things like chocolate and high-sugar foods, aside from the fullness they give you and the lack of other foods you consume as a result?

If anyone has special meals they like to eat before competition, and they don't mind sharing the logic behind the meals, I'd really appreciate the info!

Jill
Some Chick's Life (http://www.somechickslife.com)

GZoltners
February 3rd, 2002, 05:25 PM
I eat what I normally eat, which could include McDonalds, I'm afraid. More important for me is the timing of eating. I need to make sure I'm getting lunch if the meet is running from 9AM-2PM. Lunch might consist only of some fruit, apples or pears, or a zone-type bar right after an event when there is a longer break before my next event. Then after the meet a big lunch. Too much carbohydrates makes me tired, and not enough protein or fat means I get hungry. I'd rather think about my next race than food. I'd also like to eat soon enough before the race that I'm not enjoying my meal a second time.

I've found that applesauce works well for me if I have to get up relatively early and don't have time for a real breakfast. This is true even for an endurance event, like running or a triathlon.

Swim fast,
Greg

Karen
February 6th, 2002, 01:11 PM
I only began swimming 2 years ago. I did not swim at all as a child, but I have improved rapidly. I haven't had the experience that others have, but I might have a few comments that will help.

The week before a meet, I eat a fairly normal well balanced diet. I try to stay away from any heavy fat content. Since I am a distance swimmer, the night before I swim the 1500 or 1650, I tend to eat a few more carbohydrates than usual . If I am swimming the mile in the evening, I eat a decent breakfast and usually some pasta and a chicken breast for lunch. I might have a peanut butter sandwich about 4:00 if I am scheduled to swim at 6:00.
Immediately after I swim I drink a recovery drink called endurox r4. I've found that the hardest thing in swimming three day meets is trying to stop the lactic acid buildup in your muscles as much as possible. This stuff really seems to help.

On a day when I am swimming 5 individual events plus relays, I bring a supply of peanut butter sandwiches, bananas and the above mentioned recovery drink. The peanut butter sandwiches are carbohydrate and protein fuel. The bananas help prevent muscle cramps and the recovery drink helps prevent lactic acid buildup.

I hope that some of this might help.

Karen

Philip Arcuni
February 6th, 2002, 01:45 PM
Here's a tip given by others, but I want to reaffirm.

When I first started back swimming, I would get out of bed and go to the workout. I felt lousy.

A few months ago I started to drink a pint of water in the car on the way to the pool. I felt better, but not great.

Last week, I started getting up a little earlier (4:45!) and eating a calorie bar (They call it something else, enhanced protein bar or some such, but it is really a calorie bar). The earlier part is because the bar would come back to me if I ate it later.

Now, I feel great! Watch out, male 40 - 44 age group!

SomeChick
February 6th, 2002, 06:31 PM
Wow, great stuff!

Peanut butter, my father (who is a 1-peanut butter-sandwich-a-day man, and has been as long as I remember) will be proud!

I've got a couple meets coming up in the next couple months, I'll be sure to post again to let everyone know how the new advice worked for me!

Jill
http://www.somechickslife.com

PS: my site has a list of Canadian Masters clubs - if you know of a club I'm missing, please let me know :)

Bert Petersen
February 6th, 2002, 07:06 PM
Eat what you normally eat, the week of competition. Change is bad. Remember when the highly favored English sports team was forced to give up their " bangers and eggs " for some nutritionist's idea of healthy food? They didn't win another game ! On the day of competition, try to eat as little as possible. The trick is to not feel hungry and yet not pack pounds of digesting food down the pool. This is my meet-day menu: taught to me by the greatest coach I ever had (a Canuck, by golly). Coffee to wake up and stimulate. Avoid much cream or milk because it DOES create mucous. Those who say otherwise are full of malarkey. Avoid sugar, UNLESS you are sure you can time the inevitable down-turn (bonk) so it isn't in the middle of a race. Drink all day long-sports drinks, coffee, water- but no soft drinks. Now here is the part that always gets me in trouble with nutritionists, coaches and other pseudo-scientists: first food, two slices of toast slathered with as much butter as you wish. Honey or jam to make it palatable. The toast is long-term carbs, the spread is to fool your stomach into thinking you ate more( It hangs around longer than a banana). The honey or jam is for your own enjoyment. This has worked for me for 48 years and every time I let some yahoo talk me into something else, I pay the supreme price: poor performance. If you get part-way through the meet and begin to experience hunger, snack on part of a health/power/whatever bar, but just enough to keep un-distracted. Rebuttals welcomed !Good luck and......... Cheers! :D

jim thornton
February 6th, 2002, 11:25 PM
I don't tend to adopt a special diet in the week(s) before a big meet, though one guy I know cuts out all beer, ice cream, junk food, etc. and tries to eat nutritious stuff only for a couple weeks, and he swears this improves his performance. If anything, I might try to cut back a little on the quantity of food I'm eating so as to slightly minimize the gut that follows me around like a lost poodle.

On the morning of the meet, I also drink coffee, have a bowl of cereal (Grapenuts seems to keep you going for a couple hours), and a large glass of orange juice with protein powder dissolved in it. This may be a placebo effect as well, but it seems that the protein powder is easy to digest and provides a slower release of energy that keeps me from bonking later in the day.

During the meet, I try to remind myself to drink plenty of water, but I don't always do this. I usually don't have lunch--too nervous to eat in between swims--but I will try to have some cookies or something snacky. I also pop a few ibuprofens, which may or may not be a mistake, but I'd just as soon not feel any stiffness in my joints.

By the end of the day, I invariably have a headache. Does anyone else get this symptom? It's true even when I don't follow the meet with a few celebratory beers.

jane
February 7th, 2002, 09:49 AM
Jim,
"Popping a few ibuprofen" during a swim meet when you are not eating is not a great idea. It may help prevent achy muscles but could also cause problems. The most common side effect of any of the anti-inflammatory medicines such as ibuprofen and naproxyn (Aleve) is stomach irritation. Some people develop serious bleeding from the stomach after taking small amounts of these medicines on an empty stomach. Try taking the ibuprofen after breakfast in the morning.

jim thornton
February 7th, 2002, 10:27 AM
Dr. Jane (I assume the MD is for doctor, not Maryland) makes an excellent point. Actually, I do take the ibuprofen with breakfast--never on an empty stomach. Another cautionary note here is that NSAIDS like ibuprofen, naproxen, etc. can be harmful to your kidneys, especially when you're dehydrated. This side effect is rare but can be much more catastrophic than stomach bleeding. One guy who ran the Boston Marathon and popped a bunch of ibu's afterwards went into kidney failure on his flight home.

For what it's worth, I wrote an article a couple years ago on pain management for sports injuries. It appeared in The Physican and Sportsmedicine--if you want to check it out, click on this:

http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/1997/10oct/thornton.htm

jane
February 7th, 2002, 10:39 AM
It is Dr. Jane. I'm from Tacoma, Washington, not Maryland.
Good point about the kidney failure. I probably read your article - I read The Physician and Sportsmedicine regularly. I'll look it up again.

tzsegal
February 7th, 2002, 11:31 AM
Bert mentioned drinking all sorts of stuff (even coffee presumably with caffeine) ... but no soft drinks.

I've also heard the no soda, or no carbonated beverage, as part of many different sports programs.

Does anyone here have an explanation for that?

Thanks.

MegSmath
February 7th, 2002, 01:24 PM
Originally posted by tzsegal
Bert mentioned drinking all sorts of stuff (even coffee presumably with caffeine) ... but no soft drinks.

I've also heard the no soda, or no carbonated beverage, as part of many different sports programs.

Does anyone here have an explanation for that?



I don't know if it's the scientific explanation, but when I drink sodas at a swim meet, it makes me burp! This is not a good thing in the middle of a race, while you're gasping for air!

Meg Smath

Peter Cruise
February 7th, 2002, 09:27 PM
I personally favour a big bowl of Special K with soy milk & chopped banana, though I am tempted by Bert's regimen. As far as Ibuprofen, I would not be inclined to take it before or during the day's competition, but right after my last race I would down a bar of some sort, big gulps of water & 400mb of Ibu. & avoid both headache (which I would otherwise get) & sore muscles (unless I swam too many sprints & relays, then I find a good Merlot the perfect tonic).
And Bert, of course a Canuck would have it all over a Yank when it comes to eating...

Bert Petersen
February 8th, 2002, 01:54 AM
Never have experienced any post-swim meet headaches, although I have noticed that my spouse ( a non-swimmer ) seems to get them the night after a meet. Maybe it's the chlorine........
:confused:

Paul Smith
February 8th, 2002, 06:19 PM
Pizza & Beer!!

Philip Arcuni
February 8th, 2002, 07:19 PM
Years of extensive research (by me, so it is authoritative :) )have shown that the best beer is dark - the darker the better. Guiness stout works well. Also, there should be no non-dairy 'cheeses' in the pizza.

Fisch
February 12th, 2002, 03:15 PM
The day before, eat what you like, but drink LOTS of water
to be sure you're fully hydrated for race day. (Maybe dehydration
causes headaches on meet day for some.)

I like the feeling of having an empty stomach when I'm on
the blocks, so two to three hours before an am race, breakfast
is:
Cereal
OJ
LOTS of coffee
More water
600 mg ibu

If it's an all day meet, I keep drinking Gatoraid and eating bites of bagels or power bars. (Whichever are free.):D

Ian Smith
February 12th, 2002, 06:10 PM
Paul & Phil, Funny you should bring up the topic......

Although not usually for immediate precompetitition nutrition, a major coup for us here in Montreal was to get Peter McAuslan, a fellow master swimmer and owner of a large micro brewery (if that's not an oxymoron) to be a sponsor of a number of our local meets.

It's amazing how good his freely supplied brew tastes after a hard meet. Dark beer is included and the club hosts provide the pizza.

Needless to say, we always get a good turn out at these meets and Peter is treated with the respect he deserves (not that anyone would go to the extent of losing to him if it could be avoided, of course)

jim thornton
February 12th, 2002, 08:23 PM
An interesting couple of articles on this subject can be found at:

http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/1998/09sep/eating.htm

http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/1997/10oct/eating.htm

LDSwimmer
February 22nd, 2002, 11:48 AM
Tried and true swim meet eating regimen developed by trial and error (yes, I'm serious ... LOL!):

TWO DAYS BEFORE: No caffeine. Wendy's or BK Cheeseburger (all the trimmings, LOL). Cantaloupe.

DAY BEFORE: No caffeine. Bagels (either blueberry or cinnamon-raisin, with nothing on them) as desired, pears and peanut m&m's.

NIGHT BEFORE: Max. 1 NSAID with dinner, if needed. Bagel before bedtime.

MORNING OF MEET: Coffee. Max. 1 bagel about an hour before warmup.

DURING THE MEET: Peanut m&m's as needed to avoid stomach growling. One bite of a Mars or MilkyWay bar before a 3rd or 4th event. Option: bagel with peanut butter if there's a long wait between events such as at Nationals.

:cool:

ahohl
February 22nd, 2002, 12:24 PM
I think a good reason not to drink carbonated beverages is -- I've heard -- the carbonation takes up space usually used by oxygen, so you get less oxygen in your blood stream.
Also it's just plain bad for you, with all the acid.
The sugar content could also cause a big insulin backlash.

Tom Ellison
February 22nd, 2002, 01:06 PM
Paul:
Wow, Pizza & Beer!! That is really hard core...sometime you have to tell me how you do that one. I thought I was a tough guy eating PBJ's before I swam....but I can't hold a candle to this. :)

Paul Smith
February 22nd, 2002, 02:26 PM
Tom,
That meal only works the night before (or some really hot Thai food), haven't had the guts to try it race day (alhough the leftovers have tempted me).

On race day I tend to be a little more "focused": Lots of water in the morning with a Balance bar & a banana, throughtout the day a mix of GU, more balance bars, possibly part of a bagel with peanut butter if its a long meet, all washed down with accelerade/endurox. Last but not least, 10-15 minutes before my race a "Red Bull"!

Hey Ian, any good meets up in Montreal this year? Been far to long since I've been up that way and would love to hit a LC meet!

Ian Smith
February 22nd, 2002, 04:09 PM
Paul, No decent LCM's planned in Montreal this year. We used to have a good one in the 1976 Olympics pool but they are not using that anymore and we, the tax payers, are building a new complex for the World Championships (in 2004/5?)

US swimmers starved for SCM meets (and good French cuisine) often come to the Quebec Masters Championships (Montreal, April 19-21, 2002) but the pool this year is so-so (newish but narrow & slow).

IMHO, the best LCM around here is an annual one day meet in Ottawa around mid-February and timed to run with their winter festival (fun). At this time of the year, however, you sometimes need more than beer & pizza to keep warm outside.

The meet is run in a fast pool (Nepean) which is the home club of Dimitri Khodko, 43, who did an SCM 50 last year in 24.55 and could give you a good run for your money in your age group. (He plans to swim the Quebec Masters in Montreal in April)

The Canadian Masters is LCM this year (unusual) but is in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, May 17-20, 2002. This is probably like holding the US Champs in Grand Forks. (no insult intended to anyone - probably beats Cleveland) see
http://www.masters-nationals2002.ca/
Ian.

Philip Arcuni
February 22nd, 2002, 07:37 PM
Some of these race-day diets look near-starvation to me.

At the other extreme I remember my father (a former swimmer) taking me to my first meet when I was 9 or 10. In those days going to a meet was quite a trek - we traveled over the narrow overseas highway from Key West to Fort Lauderdale. So for the pre-race lunch my father took me out for a nice and big sirloin steak, which he considered race-day food. (I think a large protein meal was considered appropriate in the days when my father swam.)

I remember not feeling so well after my first swim.

breastroker
February 22nd, 2002, 11:14 PM
I agree with flyguy Bert. I eat something easily digested early in the morning of a big meet. I have asthma and have found over the years of many big meets that a cup or two of coffee helps me swim better. The caffeine is a performance enhancer and there are other substances that help the asthma (Theo bromines?)

At the number one web site for breaststroke articles, http://www.breaststroke.info.
http://www.breaststroke.info/tums.htm
I have an article on taking TUMS. I take quite a few (20-30) TUMS with lots of water for two reasons. First it helps swim performances between 30 seconds and three minutes. Second it, along with massage, allows clearing the muscles of pH better than just a swim down. It is not the lactate that is bad, but the [H+] ion that lowers the intercellular pH. Too low a pH will destroy the muscle fibers for 72 hours, pretty much ruining any more swims.

Anyone who is a sprinter needs to replenish his or her glycogen stores.
Anaerobic glycolysis is the primary energy system used for the first 40 seconds of a sprint. This encompasses all 50s. Discounting the dive, 40 seconds accounts for about 75 to 80 percent of the 100-yard breaststroke, and the entire college menís 100 freestyle. Their are now many sports foods and drinks that can replace glycogen stores rapidly. You just have to find one that works for you.

And I agree with Tall "Eagle Eye" Paul that pizza and beer after the meet with your swimmer friends is the perfect after meet food.


Wayne McCauley

Bert Petersen
February 23rd, 2002, 04:59 PM
Ah, yes - Wayne; I had forgotten that part of the day. I too take the calcium carbonate form of chewable Tums. I take 4-6 every day and I usually take more on race day. My reasoning, however, is different. I have discovered that the Tums prevent cramping for me. I had a nieghbor,years ago, who has since died of old age. She was 83 at the time we talked and I asked her to what she attributed her good health and posture. She looked 60. She told me that she had a habit of drinking coffee all day and because she sometimes got heartburn, she was in the habit of chewing Tums. Seems the commercial is accurate, it really is something your body needs anyway. So, I thought I would just take a pill of Oyster shell calcium and that would suffice. Lo and behold, at the doctors office, after an x-ray, the doctor praised me for taking calcium. There on the film, fully intact, at the bottom of my bowel, was the pill. I immediately realized that I had the healthiest toilet in town and decided to go with something more readily assimilated. Long story short : Tums is good. :p

breastroker
February 23rd, 2002, 07:13 PM
Bert, I laughed for ten minutes. :D Tums makes the next day more bearable, not as many aches and pains, which means little or no aspirin or ibuprofin. That is good. I prefer the cherry flavor ones, the mint tastes like medicine. I have GERD (heartburn) so Tums helps there too.
Wayne

joy
February 23rd, 2002, 07:47 PM
Ian
Just a few questions for u about the pool in Saskatoon. I am heading up for the LC Nats in May and wondered if u know anything about that pool.
Depth, are both ends the same depth, lanes, ect, what is the lay out. Just curious. I have tried to email but no one has answered and the website does not state this info. Thanz for the time

Bert Petersen
February 23rd, 2002, 07:54 PM
which really seem like ancient history, now......... We used to play a LOT of handball; played very hard, long sets and would frequently have cramping problems. We figured it was from salt loss and so we would take salt tablets, which helped some, but not completely. In college, I remember doing a psuedo-scientific study about cramping, where I learned quite a bit. If memory serves me, the calcium helps buffer the surface tissue of the muscles, keeps the electrical charges in line and at least forstalls the onset of cramping. So we went with calcium tablets way back then, and IT WORKED !! I have at least 20 incidences over my swim coaching career of Tums helping kids get rid of and avoid cramping. Myself, no leg cramps in 20 years of swimming; except: when I tried Creatine a couple of years ago and if I use fins, since I am not used to them. My favorite Tums are the tropical fruit variety, especially coconut. Now, how about some discussion of D.M.S.O., which I have used for 40 years with no visible bad effects, other than my wife says I am a crazy person for swimming butterfly !!!!!! Bert

SupaFly
February 23rd, 2002, 09:08 PM
So if acidic stuff is bad because it lowers the pH of your blood then I'd like to know which fruits/other things to stay away from. Oranges, lemons, Colas, what else...? Are bananas acidic??

Also I heard that milk is bad on the day of a meet. Is this true?

Ian Smith
February 26th, 2002, 09:07 AM
Joy,
Sorry, I don't know anything about this pool.
Ian.

Harry E
March 24th, 2002, 11:12 PM
My college days were the early 60's and it was there that I was first introduced to competitive swimming. We were a small school but we had a number of swimmers who had been in their respective state competitions. As we were a new team sport in the college, they pretty much set up the recommended diet with the college mess hall. I would like to have someone critique this diet the day of the meet, as follows:

About 2-3 hours before start, lots of orange juice mixed with lots of honey. Also lots of toast and honey. We also had 2-3 soft boiled eggs.

I've done the same when attending Masters meets which I started to do two years ago (35 years out of swimming). Rather than soft boiled eggs I now prefer poached. Still drink lots of orange juice mixed with honey, plus toast and honey. At the meet, if I get hungry I'll have a granola bar or similar coated with honey. I'll take a bottle of water and have a sip every 15-20 minutes.

The above works for me. I only wonder now if there is some real good to this diet, or if it is all in my head psychologically. Would someone comment on this please. Thanks.

GZoltners
March 25th, 2002, 08:33 AM
I think vegetables decrease acidity, and meat increases it. I think that some citrus fruits, although they contain plenty of acid, actually make the body less acidic.

Honey/oj/eggs might sound unusual, but I think it has everything you need: some carbohydrates to get you through the races, and some protein and fat to keep you from getting hungry.

SupaFly
March 25th, 2002, 03:28 PM
That's pretty weird about the citrus fruits actually decreasing acidity...

Is milk bad on the day of a meet or is it fine?

Bob Boder
March 26th, 2002, 08:08 PM
I eat peanut butter and jelly for lunch each day before noon swim practices. Sometimes in the car on the way to the pool. It never bothers me as I swim. So on meet days I do the same. I also like fig cookies.

Harry E
March 27th, 2002, 11:17 PM
Thanks for the responses to my questions of a few days ago. I'll stay mostly with my poached eggs, lots of orange juice mixed with honey and toast and honey, but I think I'll add some peanut butter also.

SomeChick
April 2nd, 2002, 01:15 PM
Re: Is milk good or bad

I've heard that it's "bad" because it causes an increase in mucous production in your body.

I thought of getting more specific but mucous is not my favorite topic ;)

Jill
Manitoba Masters Aquatic Club
http://www.mmac.mb.ca

Glen
April 4th, 2002, 05:39 PM
I find that if I eat a couple of eggs and coffee early in the morning of a meet then throughout the day eat fruit and and snack on a couple of pecan cookies. About 45 mins before each race I take a sport gel and of course I drink lots of water and sport drinks throughout the day. I suffer from Celiac so I am limited to what I can eat. If there are any more Celiac's out their I wouldn't mind knowing what you take throughout the day of a meet.
Glen

effi
April 4th, 2002, 09:32 PM
For wheat-free (celiac, etc.) eating, try dried cranberries and raisins.

Glen
April 5th, 2002, 09:01 AM
Joy

Here is some information on the pool in Saskatoon:
8 Lanes, 50meter, shallow end from 3' to 5', deep end from the 5' to 16', moveable bulkhead, second pool for warmup and cool down is 25meter. 1500 seat bleacher over looking the 50meter pool.
Hope this helps.

Glen

joy
April 5th, 2002, 10:17 AM
Glen
What a pleasent surprise. Thanz for all the info. Have u swam in this pool? What kind of gutter system do they have. trough or flat? I really appreciate the update.

Glen
April 5th, 2002, 10:25 AM
Joy

Sorry that is all I could find out about the pool. No I have not swum in it yet, but I am looking forward to swimming there at the nationals.

Glen

joy
April 5th, 2002, 09:55 PM
Thanz again Glen. Hope to see u there and thank u in person.

sidewinder
May 1st, 2002, 02:16 AM
my coach always tells us to avoid sweets and other high sugar foods. my stomach hurts whenever i ate something sweet before training. though sweets are energy giving stuff, they're just not healthy... (my opinion) :mad:

gmgdc
May 1st, 2002, 09:27 AM
Supafly,
Milk is bad for you anytime unless you are a baby cow. You won't hear this from nutritionists or dieticians since they believe what they've been taught, and the American Dairy Council has done a real snow job on the public regarding the healthful benefits of milk.

Don't believe the hype. I can debate the con side of this topic all day and provide plenty of documentation to back up my assertions. Basically, milk is not just "not good" for you. It is also bad for you.

DrG

Sarah H
May 2nd, 2002, 01:10 AM
OK, I'll bite...

what are your objections to milk?

sidewinder
May 2nd, 2002, 05:44 AM
there's nothing bad in milk. well, that's what i know. but ofcourse everything should be in moderation. (like overindulging in training)

gmgdc
May 2nd, 2002, 07:57 AM
What is bad about milk?

1) The high fat content, which most people realize is a health risk so they drink 2% or skim, erroneously thinking they're getting other benefits.

2) The protein in milk is Casein, which is difficult for humans to digest, causes many allergic reactions and is implicated as a factor in the developement of iron deficiency anemia and juvenile onset diabetes.

3) According to the USDA, there is no milk sold in the US that does not contain trace amounts of pesticides including poisins such as arsenic, cadmium and mercury, (of course, they believe these to be in "safe" amounts).

4) Residues of antibiotics are present. We have a huge problem with antibiotic-resistant bacteria now and this is one of the causes.

5) Trace amount of hormones intended to increase milk production are present and being fed to your kids.

6) you can't even get the calcium from milk that you think you can after they pasteurize it because they destroy the enzyme phosphatase, that works to split the calcium from the phosphate ions. On top of that, the protein further depletes calcium stores so you, in essence, are causing osteoporosis by drinking milk.

Want more? The former chief of pediatrics at Johns Hopkins was Dr. Frank Oski, who wrote a book called, "Don't Drink Your Milk".

I loved milk as a kid and would like nothing more than for it to be good for you, but the evidence is overwhelming that it contributes to heart disease, cancer, diabetes a host of allergies (earaches, sore throats, asthma runny noses in kids, etc etc etc) anemia, and probably several things I've left out.

Drink up, people.

breastroker
May 2nd, 2002, 10:31 AM
In many cases milk is VERY harmfull. Humans have not used cows milk for very long, perhaps 5,000 years. On the evolutionary scale this is not enough time for a genetic change. Only certain parts of the world until recently drank cows milk. 90% of the rest of the world have major problems with the lactose (milk sugar). You want an eye opener type in lactose in www.google.com.

After WW2 the USA sent millions of tons of powdered milk to Africa. You have seen the pictures of kids with swollen bellys. This was not from starvation but from our milk!

Beyond lactose intolerance is Galactosemia, the total inability to digest milk sugar. One of my four children has this genetic problem. The accumulation of galactose is a poison to the body and can cause serious complications such as the following and if untreated, as high as 75% of infants will die:

an enlarged liver
kidney failure
cataract
brain damage

gmgdc
May 2nd, 2002, 01:56 PM
Wayne
Yes, you're right about those things as well. There's just so much that people don't know and yet the Dairy Council persists in selling the public on the idea that "Milk is good food".
Actually, there is more calcium and protein in rats' milk than in cows, so imagine the marketing efforts to get people to drink milk from rats. It's all in how you market it, after all, humans are the only species on earth that consumes the milk of another animal.

Also, try a google search for Frank Oski as well as a PETA (yeah, I know how some feel about PETA) site called milksucks.com.

Sarah H
May 2nd, 2002, 10:34 PM
Wayne - I have a son with Galactosemia. Pretty rare to find someone that even knows the word. I hope your child is doing well.

I always find the "documentation" about milk being bad as questionable. While it is bad for my son, I don't believe that the rest of us will have dire health ailments because of milk consumption. I guess previous discussions about the water quality of swimming pools concern me more than milk.

Back to the original thread...McDonald's cheeseburger and Diet Coke are perfect for a pre-meet meal. Now you know why milk is the least of my diet worries :D

Ian Smith
May 21st, 2002, 01:19 PM
Joy,
Buried back in this thread, you asked what the pool was like that the Canadian LCM championships were to be swum in. I had no idea. It seems that this did not matter since the published results indicate you broke the World LCM 50 fly record.

Congratulations!

Looking at the times of others I know, it seems to have been a 'slow' pool; you should be able to do even better in a fast pool. Again, great swim.
Ian.

PastorJay
May 27th, 2003, 09:26 AM
I am also working on the best food to eat before, during and after events. I know it's important to have both protein and carbs for breakfast, but not too much. I normalkly don't have more than coffee for my 6:30 a.m. workouts. I have a big concern with lunch. At my last meet I swam a 100 breaststroke at 10:30 a.m. and swam a PR! Had some Gatoraide immediately afterwards and then a protein bar plus water and bagel for lunch. My 200 breastroke event at 2:30 p.m. was a disaster. I felt like lead after just 75! It was all I could do to just finish. I lost my kick and strength. Of course, I know there are a lot of factors that go into performance, but I have a three day Senior Olympics meet coming up next week where I'll be swimming two events on Monday and Tuesday and one event on Weds. What should I eat for lunch? I'm disappointed that SWIM mag doesn't have more on meals for competition. Runners World gives some excellent articles. Thanks.

Dominick Aielloeaver
May 27th, 2003, 04:06 PM
I Once did a fitness swim. I swam free style , I swam four miles a day non stop. But i had a peanut butter on whole wheat sandwich. I ate this approx. One hour before I swam. I did this for the whole month of Feb. I also drank a 12 oz. of gator aid mixed half with water. But once I hit the water I did not stop to eat or drink, until I finished my swim . I can tell you I never was hungry untill I stop swimming. So all I an say is peanut butter And gator aid mixed with water.:) :cool: