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Tom Ellison
July 16th, 2002, 05:59 PM
Where from? How old? Interests? How fast? Fastest time in 100 free?

Bert Bergen
July 17th, 2002, 12:01 AM
After reading the many posts and comparing points-of-view, topics presented, and strong opinions on our sport, I have one question: Does anyone else think that Cynthia Curran and Ion could be the same person?

(Sorry Cynthia)

cinc3100
July 17th, 2002, 12:20 AM
Since you live in Dana Point. I did lived in Orange County until 1996. Ion lives in San Diego. I live in Arizona now. I never met Ion Beza. He is like me probably not much of a swimmer compared to the rest of you. That doesn't mean we can't have opnions. In fact Ion is very different from me. I like to do breastroke and he doesn't. And I did know Shirley Babashoff when I was a kid.

cinc3100
July 17th, 2002, 12:25 AM
Also, I graduated from Los Amigos High School in Fountain Valley California in 1975. I doubt that Ion is familar with that school. Maybe, living in south orange county in Dana Point you never heard of Los Amigos High School. Never been to Romuna in my life. Like Matt S I like anicent history. Something I doubt that Ion does. Maybe, I sounding a little to pissed off. Oh well. Bert you didn't pay attention to what Ion wrote about the Espy awards and me. I think that other sports are just as important. While Ion does not. Also,Ion stated he was 6'0", while I mention once I was only 5'4".Which means you just barely read what we were saying.

cinc3100
July 17th, 2002, 12:47 AM
Ion is just an average Joe swimmer that doesn't mean that he can't enjoy the sport. The best swimming fans were usually ex- age group swimmers who were several seconds from nationals. I was one of those age groupers. I think I will not write anything for a while. Bye.

Tom Ellison
July 17th, 2002, 08:13 AM
Bert:
Wow, you may be on to something here...they certainly have similar writing, grammar and language characteristics….

Rain Man
July 17th, 2002, 08:16 AM
I feel bad, I'm the moron who started this topic.

Bert:

That wasn't very nice. Maybe you should apologize to Ms. Curran. She's quite a BIT different than Ion.

We've gotten quite off base, it's nice to get fired up once in a while, it keeps things interesting. Let's get back to the real show now and focus on our common interest - swimming.

Apologies to Ion as well, but he's the one making himself sound like a nutjob :D

Regards,
RM

cinc3100
July 17th, 2002, 01:28 PM
I said I wouldn't write for a while. But I have a learning disability. A reason why I have trouble with grammar and spelling. As a child some of the kids on certain swim teams put me down for this. Both Greg Louganis and Nelison Diebel have learning disabilties. As for Ion, he speaks and writes english as a second language.

Mark in MD
July 17th, 2002, 02:04 PM
Hi there!

I have an idea. Maybe not a great one, but at least one.

Why don't we all pull in our claws and accept the fact that every person who posts in this forum is different? Certainlly we can disagree with things we don't like, but to what extent?

Cynthia is quite right concerning English as a second language and Ion. Many folks whom I know (including several from Eastern Europe) who have learnt English as a second language will tell you that it is often difficult for them to express the EXACT same thoughs in English as in their native tongue.

After reading all of the posts regarding ESPY ad nauseam, (and I was getting ad nauseamed, too) I was beginning to wish for everyone's mommies to call them in the from sand box. :) Just a thought, here. Nothing more.

Peter Cruise
July 17th, 2002, 03:15 PM
I too can rapidly tire when the discussion turns as this one has. I like to kid & I know other contributors do as well, but we should keep it from getting mean. I will say that as a salute to the revamped forum, we at least now know who we are getting ticked off at.

Ion Beza
July 17th, 2002, 04:06 PM
I also got disgusted with the negativity in this thread.

I feel sorry that Cynthia got entangled with the snakes in this thread.

aquageek
July 17th, 2002, 04:55 PM
I didn't mean offense to anyone but apologize as that is exactly what I did anyway, especially to Ion.

I don't think the lively discourse of topics is mean, even if it gets a little wild at times. While heated, I had fun on the exchange of barbs.

With 40,000+ members in USMS you are going to have a lot of differing views. Our only commonality is that we spend too much time in chemicals doing what we love as a hobby.

Now that I'm a designated snake, I'll slink back to my hole and pop out from time to time.

Rain Man
July 17th, 2002, 05:01 PM
That is a problem with communication via the written word. Face to face we'd likely be rolling halfway through the discussion as the tone of voice and body language would complement the literal content.

I sure was not offended by any comments, they just invoked a need to post my differing opinion. Would have thought they'd have been received that way as well.

Linus is going home, blanket over his head to sleep for a while. *Sniff*

-rm

Tom Ellison
July 17th, 2002, 09:49 PM
Gosh, I guess I get lumped in with the snake comments. I apologize to Ion and cinc310. I was just having some fun...I was out of line...and apologize for my jams...They were not meant to hurt or offend.

Mark in MD
July 17th, 2002, 10:16 PM
Perhaps Rain Man has hit "pay dirt" here! Without the luxury of "seeing" our fellow posters here, we never get to see a reaction from them and thus don't know when to "back off" at times. I suppose that's what being human is all about.

Remember reading the threads concerning the Long Course Nationals in Cleveland and folks getting together who post on the Forums to meet and hang out? Perhaps more of this should happen. Lord knows, though . . . such encounters could turn out to be an event in itself! :D

cinc3100
July 17th, 2002, 10:58 PM
I was a little hard myself particularly on Bert to prove who I'am. I sometimes get a little carried away with the subjects. What I wrote to you was when I was a little upset. Sorry, for repeating the posting doesn't let one delete it. So, I write sentences that are turn around in wording.

cinc3100
July 17th, 2002, 10:59 PM
I was a little hard myself particularly on Bert to prove who I'am. I sometimes get a little carried away with the subjects. What I wrote to you was when I was a little upset. I was also at fault with you believing that you thought I was Ion.

Ion Beza
July 18th, 2002, 10:47 PM
I value your posts Cynthia, I always did, from your experience at Mission Viejo as an age-group swimmer (who probably competed with Brian Goodell and Casey Converse), to a passion for Olympic sports, for which I saw in one of your recent posts here that you didn't realize I also have.

As for an interest in ancient history, people from Europe like me, we do get intensive education in ancient history, in classical music and arts, including painting, literature, and sculpure.

As for me being an "...average Joe..." in swimming, ex age-group swimmers aside but considering late starters, I am better than an "...average Joe...".

Keep up the good posts, with intelligent information for all of us.

Mark in MD
July 18th, 2002, 11:19 PM
Ion,

I think that you might have stumbled onto something important in your statement:

"As for me being an "...average Joe..." in swimming, ex age-group swimmers aside but considering late starters, I am better than an "...average Joe..." . . .

I think that many folks in Masters' Swimming don't want to be the proverbial "average Joe." That's why they are constantly improving themselves, be it better stroke technique or that faster time in an event. Certainly, this is what Masters' Swimming is all about . . . improving one's personal best. And, I dare say that many later-starters many even see this as more of a challenge as they never had the advantage of being an age group swimmers.

By and large, the information exchanged in this forum is worth its weight in gold (or whatever is valuable). And at times, things seem to get a bit crazy, but I would hope that everyone will keep on contributing.

Regards,

Mark in MD

PS

For those attending Cleveland, I wish everyone the best.

cinc3100
July 18th, 2002, 11:42 PM
I went to watch nationals in 1979 at Mission Viejo. I think this is when Tracey Caulkins was coming up. I swam at the LA Invitional as a member of a C team relay doing the breastroke in 1973 in Mission Viejo but I wasn't on Mission Viejo. I was on a team with Shriley Babashoff called Huntington Beach-Phliips 66. At that time Phillps 66 had two teams. One at Long Beach and Huntington Beach. Flip Darr a famous coach of the 1970's brokeaway from Long Beach and Phillps 66 around 1972. Anyway. Flip Darr went on to coach other teams and many good swimmers like Shirley went to Mission Viejo and others like Bruce Furness went to Long Beach. Today Huntington Beach is known as Golden West and Long Beach as Beach Swim Club. I was on several less famous teams. And finished swimming at Golden West college. Its true we are not average Joes or Josephine's. I was probably 500 or so in the 100 yard breastroke or butterfly one time in the United States. But compared to Sr national swimmers, I defintely was an average Joesphine. And my current speed doesn't put me in the top 10 in my age group 45-49. However, my swims over 20 years ago would if I could currently swim them. As for Ion ,he does well considering the mileage he puts in workouts and the fact he started late in the sport.

Tom Ellison
July 19th, 2002, 08:33 AM
Ion:
They leanr us pretty good here in the USA in scool as well...they brung in a teacher or to...an we learned aobut culture....I like the Danon yogurt the best...

Tom Ellison
July 19th, 2002, 08:34 AM
:)
Tom

cinc3100
July 19th, 2002, 11:32 AM
Anyways, I know that your country Ion was known as Dacia in Roman times.

Ion Beza
July 19th, 2002, 03:22 PM
Originally posted by cinc310
Anyways, I know that your country Ion was known as Dacia in Roman times.
Very good Cynthia.

Dacia was reminiscent of the Macedonian empire of Alexander the Great, when it broke in three at his death in 350 BC.
Roman emperor Traian got beat in Dacia by Burebista, when trying to conquer it. After Burebista's death, Traian got beat by Decebal. In 100 AD, Traian beat Decebal at Sarmisegetusa, and Romania was born from this mixture of Macedonians and Romans. In Rome, the monument Column of Traian, depicts the last battle.

We can speak also about Louvre's paintings in France, but to get back to swimming and your post about the Phillips 66 club, I read about Ron Ballatore coaching in Pasadena, Flip Darr coaching in Huntington Beach where swimmer Gary Hall was based in 1969, and Don Gambrill coaching in Long Beach. The Long Beach program, produced in the late 70s, the likes of Tim Shaw and Bruce Furniss.
Together with Brian Goodell, Mike Bruner, Bobby Hackett, Paul Hartloff, these were the predecessors of Aussies Grant Hackett and Ian Thorpe, and they didn't have time to mature because in 1980 US boycotted the Olympics.

cinc3100
July 19th, 2002, 10:27 PM
There's another Southern California coach of the late 1960's to the mid 1970s' who was Jim Montrella of Lakewood. Lakewood was a standout in swimming for women. In fact someone who I swam together in novice back in 1969, made the olympic team her name wa Leli Alofa Fonoimoana in 1976. She swam for Lakewood and so did Susie Atwood and many other ladies of the time.

cinc3100
July 21st, 2002, 10:51 PM
Well, I like your Popeye cartoon next to your name. As Popeye said,. "I'm strong to the finish because I eat me spanish. I'm Popeye the Sailor men,Pooh-Pooh". And I bet Popeye could do a really good freestyle with those arms.

Ion Beza
July 21st, 2002, 11:29 PM
Yes, Popeye would do "...a really good freestyle with these arms.", faster than me.

Originally posted by cinc310

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...and so did Susie Atwood and many other ladies of the time.
And so did Ann Simmons, a world record holder from Lakewood in the 70s, according to a book I have.

cinc3100
August 17th, 2002, 02:53 AM
Ion, I think that you try harder than many of the masters swimmers. You did placed 10th in the 800 meter. In fact you don't really do any worst than me and I swam as a kid competitvely. Right now my 50 meter breastroke was the only time that made national qualifying time for Cleveland and my 100 meter breastroke still needs a lot of endurance. But at least there are swimmers behind us in our events. We are not in the bottom 5 or 10 in our age groups.

Ion Beza
August 19th, 2002, 04:28 PM
Originally posted by cinc310
Ion, I think that you try harder than many of the masters swimmers. You did placed 10th in the 800 meter.
...

Thank you for your recognition, Cynthia.

The fact is that last year I did 800 meter in 11.20, and this year -even with better workouts- I did it in 11:4x;
it is due to a glitch in my training that happened three weeks before the Cleveland meet, and left me flat.

Starting with today, I am addressing this.