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bda721
July 12th, 2005, 11:51 AM
Here is the link:

http://www.endothil.com/index.asp


I know that there are medical personell on this forum and I would love to hear from them on their thoughts about this.

If you don't want to go through the website, let me sum up.

There is a pill out there that was made for patients with severe muscle atrophy to help them regain their strength. An independent study found that the subjects who took the drug increased upper body strength by 100% and lower body strength by 249% in six weeks. Now a company has found a natural source for drug and is selling it for 60 bucks a bottle.

As of right now it is not banned by any athletic association, but I think that it is only a matter of time.

salgut
July 12th, 2005, 12:29 PM
I would be very wary of anything that is advertised to increase muscle strength, decrease unsightly fat bulges in your midsection....etc...where the advertisement tells you neither what the actual compound is (other than a revoulutionary "natural" compound) nor what any possible side effects might be. Even natural compounds have scientific names and chemical structures....and the fact that they only give you a "trade" name makes me really suspicious....how do you actually know it's not a steroid or steroid-like? You only have their comments that it acts as a nictoinic receptor agonist....well....maybe this compound is really nicotine.... goodness knows, that's natural.....but also habit-forming, and really toxic in high doses. That brings up another issue with these nutriceuticals.....you never really know how much you are getting. They are not regulated by the FDA. Essentially you can market anything called natural, herbal, or nutritional and as long as you don't claim to actually cure anything you don't have to conduct any studies showing that your product is safe or effective. It is not even necessary to verify that the amount of "whatever" that you say is in the product is actually in the product.... in the amount stated on the label. The FDA will only get involved if safety issues arise....after marketing. So...after lambasting these folks....can you trust any of the herbal/nutriceutical products? I think so....but I would be wary of a company I have never heard of and a product that doesn't seem to have a "real" name.

craiglll@yahoo.com
July 12th, 2005, 12:41 PM
Looking at the write-up for the product, they certainly know the correct busswords. I'm not a doctor but I saw this and just talked to a neurologist. There are some new drugs out there especially designed for repairing soldiers after injury. He doesn't think that there are any new over the counter simularities or products to do the same thing. He is looking into it.

Becasue of the site specific action that is required for the stuff to work, I wonder if it is really that good. Go work your thighs really hard and see what happens. I didn't notice, I may not have read it, that those not taking the drug changed their routines. I might have missed it thoughinthe statement.

TheGoodSmith
July 12th, 2005, 12:53 PM
Use common sense. Anything you can buy over the counter or on the net that is generally marketed to the public is not going to be as effective as a products developed in secrecy by a Balco like lab with a Victor Conte at the helm.

e.g.... try pitting anything in the GNC store against the real thing like THG...... i.e. the cream or the clear.

The stuff is probably risky and ineffective. I would bet that real cheaters on the world athletic stage probably laugh at stuff like this.


John Smith

bda721
July 12th, 2005, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by craiglll@yahoo.com
There are some new drugs out there especially designed for repairing soldiers after injury.

Funny you should say that, because that is me. I got injured almost two years ago now and went through a few surgeries and now my legs look like a redwood and a sapling (to put it in perspective) But I was never given anything like this. The ad I found in a magazine said to check with GNC to see if they had it, well that was a no-go, in fact the store was not even expecting to get it. I have some serious doubts on this.

And no I don't swim in circles because of the size difference (I know you're all thinking it) But I do swim at an angle when I use a kickboard:)

gull
July 12th, 2005, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by TheGoodSmith
Use common sense. Anything you can buy over the counter or on the net that is generally marketed to the public is not going to be as effective as a product developed in secrecy by a Balco like lab with a Victor Conte at the helm.

True, although Mark McGwire did pretty well with Andro, an anabolic steroid precursor which at one time was available over the counter but is now banned. Of course, as he told Congress, we're not here to talk about the past (or something to that effect).

As for endothil, it's not clear exactly what it is, nor do they provide much research to support it's use. Keep in mind that supplements are unregulated.

geochuck
July 12th, 2005, 06:15 PM
Some of my friends swear by Endurox R4 (RX4?). I still like Pizza for energy.

Fishgrrl
July 12th, 2005, 06:25 PM
Endurox is awesome!! I quit using it though because they started adding artificial ingredients.

Power Bar has a good post workout drink too.

Actually, if you intake carbs 30-45 min. after a workout you're recovery will be better. Toast with PB or cereal are good options.