2005 Long Course Masters National Championships

[ande]

2005 Long Course Masters National Championships
begins Thursday August 11 and runs to Monday August 15th
http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats05/

here's where you can see the psyche sheet and order of events.
http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats05/heats/

you'll find real time results at
http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats05/realtime/


I'm sure folks will give us a lot to chat about.

Ande

[ande]

you'll find real time results at

http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats05/realtime/

[knelson]

I guess people are in the pool warming up as I type this! Good luck to everyone who's swimming the meet. I'm visiting my parents in San Diego this weekend and will be swimming Sunday only.

[ande]

looks like they are crawling through the 800 frees
heat 9 of 23 is up on the web. It's gonna take a while to get through the rest.
the heats are slowest to fastest

ande

[Peter Cruise]

My staff thought I was nuts watching Omega live timing for Worlds recently, which at least refreshes data every 10 seconds, but now they're readying the restraints after seeing me 'watch' the 800 meters at USMS Nats 'live' results.

[knelson]

Originally posted by ande
looks like they are crawling through the 800 frees
heat 9 of 23 is up on the web. It's gonna take a while to get through the rest.

Wait until the 1500 Monday. There are over 200 entries. Nothin' but 1500s from 8:00 a.m. until about 7:00 p.m. I hope all the timers bring good books :)

[Jeff Commings]

I had to time four heats of a long course mile at a meet recently. I was ready for the straitjacket after heat two.

Not to disparage any milers. It's just that we spectators would like you to make the race interesting. Take the first 400 out within two seconds of your best 400, then try to keep everyone from catching you.

That'd be a blast to watch!

By the way, Dave Rollins went 1:05.67 in his 100 breast. Good time.

Do we count it since he's 21??? :D

And what was up with Roque Santos going 1:14? He must have swallowed water.

[knelson]

Originally posted by Jeff Commings
By the way, Dave Rollins went 1:05.67 in his 100 breast. Good time.

Do we count it since he's 21??? :D

...and still swimming at Arizona and was second at NCAAs this year in this event? OK, I guess we can still count it.

[Jeff Commings]

Gary Hall didn't show up for his 50.

But there were two swims under 24. Nice. However ...

I did see Brian Jacobson go 22.91 last fall. And I was next to him when he went 29.17 in the 50 breast at that meet. I'm anxious to see if he goes that time tomorrow.

[knelson]

Rich Abrahams absolutely blew the doors off the old National and World record for 60-64 with his 25.54. The old record was 26.70 by Jeff Farrell. Wow!

[ande]

my buddy david guthrie broke a national record too

Event 3 Men 45-49 100 LC Meter Breaststroke
==============================================
45-49 NATL: N 1:10.27 8/17/2003 GREGORY OXLEY
45-49 WORLD: W 1:09.38 3/28/2002 G CHRISTIANSEN, SWE
Name Age Team Seed Finals
==============================================
1 Guthrie, David M 45 WMST 1:08.01 1:09.67N
32.71 1:09.67 (36.96)


Originally posted by Jeff Commings
I had to time four heats of a long course mile at a meet recently. I was ready for the straitjacket after heat two.

Not to disparage any milers. It's just that we spectators would like you to make the race interesting. Take the first 400 out within two seconds of your best 400, then try to keep everyone from catching you.

That'd be a blast to watch!

By the way, Dave Rollins went 1:05.67 in his 100 breast. Good time.

Do we count it since he's 21??? :D

And what was up with Roque Santos going 1:14? He must have swallowed water.

[ande]

impressive!
way to go rich

ande

Originally posted by knelson
Rich Abrahams absolutely blew the doors off the old National and World record for 60-64 with his 25.54. The old record was 26.70 by Jeff Farrell. Wow!

[ande]

todays line up is

Session 2 Friday 8/12/2005
#11 Men 400 IM
#12 Women 400 IM
#13 Men 100 Free
#14 Women 100 Free
#15 Men 200 Fly
#16 Women 200 Fly
#17 Men 50 Breast
#18 Women 50 Breast
#19 Men 200 Medley Relay
#20 Women 200 Medley Relay

here's the heat sheet
http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats05/heats/heatsday2.pdf

[Jeff Commings]

Watch out for Rich Abrahams in that 100 free.

And Dave Rollins could become the first masters swimmer under 28 seconds in the 50 breast.

Though, again, he's a 21-year-old swimmer on a nationally-ranked college team popping in for a quick masters meet.

My guess is that there will be five sub-55 100 frees today. That's a good number.

Though judging by how Rich swam his 50, we might see six. Unless he swims his 100 like Roland Schoeman. ;)

[ande]

i love respect and admire rich
but I don't think he will be 55 or under,
in 2002 he was around the same 50 time and went 58 ish

this year his 200 yard free was 1:56
on 49 low 100 speed and
22 low 50 speed
http://www.usms.org/comp/tt/toptenind.php?SwimmerID=030HZ

some people who go 25.5 can get under 55
it requires a strong first 50 and very stout second 50.
like 26.5 28.4
a really well trained 100 swimmer could go
26.5 27.9 for a 54.4

I'm sure he will break the 100 m free record for 60 - 64 men

soon we'll know

Ande

Originally posted by Jeff Commings
Watch out for Rich Abrahams in that 100 free.

And Dave Rollins could become the first masters swimmer under 28 seconds in the 50 breast.

Though, again, he's a 21-year-old swimmer on a nationally-ranked college team popping in for a quick masters meet.

My guess is that there will be five sub-55 100 frees today. That's a good number.

Though judging by how Rich swam his 50, we might see six. Unless he swims his 100 like Roland Schoeman. ;)

[Jeff Commings]

Originally posted by Jeff Commings
And Dave Rollins could become the first masters swimmer under 28 seconds in the 50 breast.


I meant 29 seconds! If he went under 28, that'd be world-championships-finals-worthy.

He went 28.87. That's movin'.

[mattson]

Originally posted by ande
i love respect and admire rich
but I don't think he will be 55 or under,
in 2002 he was around the same 50 time and went 58 ish

I'm sure he will break the 100 m free record for 60 - 64 men


Ande nails it on the head. Bring this up the next time your swimmers question your coaching judgement.

1 Abrahams, Richard T 60 CMS 58.61W
60-64 WORLD: W 1:00.11 8/11/1998 JEFF FARRELL, USA

[Conniekat8]

Originally posted by Jeff Commings
Gary Hall didn't show up for his 50.

But there were two swims under 24. Nice. However ...

I did see Brian Jacobson go 22.91 last fall. And I was next to him when he went 29.17 in the 50 breast at that meet. I'm anxious to see if he goes that time tomorrow.

Garry Hall had something going and had to fly out of town for a day.

Hoever, the whole family was at the social event this evening, Jr and Sr. (eat your hearts out those who didn't go), and he will be swimming tomorrow.

[ande]

thank you

his results were
Event 13 Men 60-64 100 LC Meter Freestyle
60-64 WORLD: W 1:00.11 8/11/1998 JEFF FARRELL, USA
60-64 NATL: N 1:00.11 8/15/1998 JEFF FARRELL
1 Abrahams, Richard T 60 CMS 58.61W
26.90 58.61 (31.71)

if he'd broken the 100 record by as much as his new 50 record
he would have been a second or so faster.

if you study his splits you'll see he faded pretty significantly on the 2nd 50.
26.90 31.71;
31.71 - 26.90 = 4.81
I believe Rich would greatly benefit by keeping the first and second 50 with in 2 - 3 seconds of each other. If he were my swimmer I'd ask him to go out easier on the first 50,
keep it long smooth and relaxed,
save his legs, then concentrate on building the 2nd 50. I wouldn't want him to go all out till the last 15 or 20 meters

Perhaps split it something like 27.9 29.9

I'm convinced what ever time
he'd give up on the first 50
he'd more than gain on the second.

he should have an impressive 50 fly

Ande

Originally posted by mattson
Ande nails it on the head. Bring this up the next time your swimmers question your coaching judgement.

1 Abrahams, Richard T 60 CMS 58.61W
60-64 WORLD: W 1:00.11 8/11/1998 JEFF FARRELL, USA

[mattson]

Originally posted by Conniekat8
However, the whole family was at the social event this evening, Jr and Sr. (eat your hearts out those who didn't go), and he will be swimming tomorrow.

[Jazz Hands]

Originally posted by ande
thank you

his results were
Event 13 Men 60-64 100 LC Meter Freestyle
60-64 WORLD: W 1:00.11 8/11/1998 JEFF FARRELL, USA
60-64 NATL: N 1:00.11 8/15/1998 JEFF FARRELL
1 Abrahams, Richard T 60 CMS 58.61W
26.90 58.61 (31.71)

if he'd broken the 100 record by as much as his new 50 record
he would have been a second or so faster.

if you study his splits you'll see he faded pretty significantly on the 2nd 50.
26.90 31.71;
31.71 - 26.90 = 4.81
I believe Rich would greatly benefit by keeping the first and second 50 with in 2 - 3 seconds of each other. If he were my swimmer I'd ask him to go out easier on the first 50,
keep it long smooth and relaxed,
save his legs, then concentrate on building the 2nd 50. I wouldn't want him to go all out till the last 15 or 20 meters

Perhaps split it something like 27.9 29.9

I'm convinced what ever time
he'd give up on the first 50
he'd more than gain on the second.

he should have an impressive 50 fly

Ande

I disagree. I've seen Rich's results, and it doesn't look like he trains for the 100. Mr. Abrahams is a 50 specialist, so the first 50 of his 100 free should be about one second slower than his best 50. After that, he just has to hold on. Either he has the endurance to post a decent back half, or he doesn't.

I had an experience this spring where I tried to "hold back" on the first half of my 100 yard free, having trained exclusively for the 50. At the same meet, I went 22.33 in the 50 free. I took out my hundred in 24.12, and the result was that I was grooved into a sluggish stroke rate, and on top of that I faded just like I would have with a more aggressive strategy. I split a terrible 27.98 on the back half for a 52.10, nearly three seconds off my best time.

A month later, I swam the first long course meet of the season, still in very poor shape to put up a decent 100. I swam 25.90 in the 50, but did my 100 more aggressively than before. I took it out in 26.8, and although I got passed by everyone in my heat, I managed to hold on for a 58.54. Very similar to Richard Abrahams at Masters Nationals, and I think the optimal strategy in the 100 freestyle.

[ande]

the following swims impressed me
i'm looking forward to following more excitement today

you know though
if we knew the stories behind all the swimmers we'd be very impressed by most of them.


Event 21 Men 40-44 400 LC Meter Freestyle
================================================== ================
40-44 WORLD: W 4:15.57 8/19/2001 BRETT PHILLIPS, USA
40-44 NATL: N 4:15.57 8/19/2001 BRETT PHILLIPS
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Baker, Dennis G 44 OREG 4:11.95 4:12.26W
29.38 1:00.86 (31.48)
1:32.68 (31.82) 2:04.78 (32.10)
2:37.14 (32.36) 3:09.40 (32.26)
3:41.25 (31.85) 4:12.26 (31.01)


Event 11 Men 40-44 400 LC Meter IM
================================================== ================
40-44 WORLD: W 4:49.62 7/31/2000 DARIUSZ WOLNY, POL
40-44 NATL: N 4:53.03 7/30/1995 HESS YNTEMA
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Baker, Dennis G 44 OREG 4:49.72 4:49.42W
29.59 1:01.59 (32.00)
1:40.30 (38.71) 2:16.82 (36.52)
3:00.96 (44.14) 3:45.35 (44.39)
4:17.71 (32.36) 4:49.42 (31.71)


Event 23 Men 40-44 100 LC Meter Butterfly
================================================== ================
40-44 WORLD: W 57.57 8/17/2001 PAUL CARTER, USA
40-44 NATL: N 57.57 8/17/2001 PAUL CARTER
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Clark, Henry L 40 ARIZ 58.00 57.62
27.20 57.62 (30.42)


Event 23 Men 60-64 100 LC Meter Butterfly
================================================== ================
60-64 WORLD: W 1:07.04 6/7/2003 ROBERT POILETMAN, USA
60-64 NATL: N 1:06.63 6/29/2003 ROBERT POILETMAN
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Abrahams, Richard T 60 CMS 1:04.00 1:03.03N
29.09 1:03.03 (33.94)


Event 24 Women 45-49 100 LC Meter Butterfly
================================================== ================
45-49 WORLD: W 1:08.02 8/23/1998 LAURA VAL, USA
45-49 NATL: N 1:08.02 8/23/1998 LAURA VAL
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Hernandez, Jill S 45 CHIC 1:08.67 1:07.30W
31.25 1:07.30 (36.05)

[ande]

dear jazz hands,

I believe that right now Rich can swim a faster 100 by just by splitting his race better, as I described.

If you don't
that's fine

I wonder what rich believes?

Ande

by the way, I believe that you can too!

Originally posted by Jazz Hands
I disagree. I've seen Rich's results, and it doesn't look like he trains for the 100. Mr. Abrahams is a 50 specialist, so the first 50 of his 100 free should be about one second slower than his best 50. After that, he just has to hold on. Either he has the endurance to post a decent back half, or he doesn't.

I had an experience this spring where I tried to "hold back" on the first half of my 100 yard free, having trained exclusively for the 50. At the same meet, I went 22.33 in the 50 free. I took out my hundred in 24.12, and the result was that I was grooved into a sluggish stroke rate, and on top of that I faded just like I would have with a more aggressive strategy. I split a terrible 27.98 on the back half for a 52.10, nearly three seconds off my best time.

A month later, I swam the first long course meet of the season, still in very poor shape to put up a decent 100. I swam 25.90 in the 50, but did my 100 more aggressively than before. I took it out in 26.8, and although I got passed by everyone in my heat, I managed to hold on for a 58.54. Very similar to Richard Abrahams at Masters Nationals, and I think the optimal strategy in the 100 freestyle.

[ande]

my buddy david gutherie broke the world record in the mens 200 breast

Event 31 Men 45-49 200 LC Meter Breaststroke
================================================== ================
45-49 WORLD: W 2:35.11 3/26/2002 G CHRISTIANSEN, SWE
45-49 NATL: N 2:37.81 8/18/2002 RON SCHAFER
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Guthrie, David M 45 WMST 2:31.10 2:34.14W
34.41 1:13.15 (38.74)
1:53.30 (40.15) 2:34.14 (40.84)

[ande]

several more records were broken on sunday


Event 35 Men 60-64 50 LC Meter Butterfly
================================================== ================
60-64 WORLD: W 29.22 4/24/2004 JOSEP CLARET, ESP
60-64 NATL: N 29.23 8/17/2003 KEEFE LODWIG
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Abrahams, Richard T 60 CMS 27.50 27.92W


Event 37 Men 55-59 200 LC Meter Freestyle
================================================== ================
55-59 WORLD: W 2:10.90 6/8/2004 TERENCE DOWNES, RSA
55-59 NATL: N 2:11.66 8/17/2003 TOD SPIEKER
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Mc Conica, Jim 55 VCM 2:10.90 2:08.03W
30.61 1:03.53 (32.92) 1:35.97 (32.44) 2:08.03 (32.06)



Event 37 Men 60-64 200 LC Meter Freestyle
================================================== ================
60-64 WORLD: W 2:16.92 1/30/2005 DUNCAN MCCREADIE, GBR
60-64 NATL: N 2:17.43 3/29/2002 TOM LANDIS
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Abrahams, Richard T 60 CMS 2:20.00 2:19.67
31.35 1:06.71 (35.36) 1:44.02 (37.31) 2:19.67 (35.65)



Event 38 Women 40-44 200 LC Meter Freestyle
================================================== ================
40-44 WORLD: W 2:09.34 8/1/2004 K PIPES-NEILSEN, USA
40-44 NATL: N 2:09.00 5/25/2003 K PIPES-NEILSEN
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Pipes-Neilsen, Karlyn 43 SDSM 2:09.34 2:09.28W
30.60 1:03.24 (32.64) 1:36.55 (33.31) 2:09.28 (32.73)


Event 38 Women 45-49 200 LC Meter Freestyle
================================================== ================
45-49 WORLD: W 2:13.17 8/17/2003 S HEIM-BOWEN, USA
45-49 NATL: N 2:13.17 8/17/2003 S HEIM-BOWEN
Name Age Team Seed Finals
================================================== ================
1 Knight, Beth Lutz 46 SDSM 2:18.00 2:12.76W
31.31 1:05.03 (33.72) 1:39.56 (34.53) 2:12.76 (33.20)

[Karen Duggan]

Jeff,

Roque pulled his groin about 25m into the 100 breast and didn't swim the rest of the meet except for the 50 breast and fly on my medley relay. (There is a story as to HOW he swam the 50 breast, but that's Roque's story to tell- let's just say it involves inexusable, disgraceful officiating!)

I don't know Rich A., but I do know I saw him holding up his goggles after one of his races Sundayand saying, "They broke."

Hope that helps :)