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newmastersswimmer
September 25th, 2005, 09:43 PM
I know this is not directly swimming related....but Since Connie posted her "I'm sorry" thread....I guess I feel I'm also entitled to post mine? First of all Sam, I was definitely out of line with the way I worded my response to your posting in the now closed thread about Amatuer vs Professional swimming and I do sincerely apologize for the bad tone I used in that posting.....I just meant that the proposed solutions that were mentioned in the article in question was what was so "obvious"....not the complexity involved in making those proposed solutions a reality....of course it's a very complex problem with lots of complex variables.......so that was my bad for poor phrasing.....The truth is that I agree with Mr. Mystek (sp??) 100% about political debates not belonging here on this discussion board and I made a very bad mistake initiating that last political based debate over there....I apologize to everyone else I also may have offended (so you to Paul)....One interesting phenomenon I've noticed about those kind of arguments is that when someone, as myself, already has strong passions about a particular political topic they almost never end up budging much from their original stance after a strong debate like the one we were getting into....instead people usually just get angry with one another and end up saying things they later regret (I certainly know that I regret insulting you Sam!).....I hope the moderators aren't going to get mad about this "apology" posting.... but I would hate for the result of that discussion to be losing whatever friendships I feel I've kindled here before that little fiasco?....It's just not worth it!....I like Sam and Paul and the rest of you guys way too much to let an argument like that cause bad feelings between us.....I am truely sorry for my part in the whole thing....I know this is a pretty weak excuse... but I had a really really bad day at work the day I posted that distasteful reply to Sam over there and so I was already in a dreadful mood....Hopefully we can all forgive eachother for whatever we may have said and simply move on with our friendships still in tact?


Jim

Sam Perry
September 25th, 2005, 10:31 PM
No apology needed, Jim. A good political debate is healthy I believe. I know what you mean about feeling passionate about something, that it is very hard to budge as I resemble that remark!

As far as discussing on here, I guess they have their rules, but if you can't debate where your friends and passions are, where can you? I know this is a swimming thread, but it is nice sometimes to drift and discuss things just to keep it fresh.

To sum it up, you did not offend me one bit and you don't need to apologize for anything. I like debates b/c they really test on how strong I feel about something. If I just surrounded myself with people that agreed with me (poloitically or religiously), I would never have the opportunity to grow.

P.S. You signature quote is the best on here!

PeirsolFan
September 26th, 2005, 02:37 AM
I never feel anyone needs to apologize for anything unless someone makes it personal or takes it personally.

We all love swimming. Lettuce take over the world and build more pools!

Paul Smith
September 26th, 2005, 09:30 AM
Jim........I'm with Sam.....no apology necessary! I love a good debate and although not as gifted as my evil twin at taunting others will often times "bait" to see where things go.

I also agree with Sam on the "rules", I see this forum as a venue to pull together those of us who share the same passion for swimming.........so drifting off topic here and there to me is a good thing (Mr. Moderator has been pretty good about giving us a little leeway).

Alicat
September 26th, 2005, 12:54 PM
Honestly, I could see it coming, that is the thread being closed.

It's almost a weird badge of honor to start a thread and then get it banned from future posts. After reaching the "very active member" on these boards, I needed a new goal, so to get a thread banned from future posts is a oddly satisfying.

Should the next thread be about the Politics of Swimming and we can see how long that would run? I would think if we called it Swimming in Politics it would be shut down pretty fast plus we've already done that!

Peter Cruise
September 26th, 2005, 01:47 PM
Alicat you are one felonious feline!

newmastersswimmer
September 26th, 2005, 02:33 PM
originally posted by Piersol Fan

I never feel anyone needs to apologize for anything unless someone makes it personal or takes it personally.


I also feel the same way for the most part....but I felt I was making it personal by letting other factors at work and what not affect my better judgement ...which then lead to me typing a message with a very rude and attacking tone....I could have found better language to state my case.....i.e. I thought my language was way more insulting than it had to be....I am supposed to be trained to NOT make those mistakes as a teacher....but being human, I still make them from time to time....I'm just very glad to hear that no one took too much offense by my comments over there.....I really appreciate y'all posting here on this thread a lot BTW!.....Maybe we can still continue some of those discussions later on via e-mail or something?? ...but if so, I will promise to be on my best behavior this time!...(and I'll try to keep an open mind ...even though I might be dealing with an extreme Jerry Faldwell loving right winger like Paul!!....j/k of couurse!)


Newmastersswimmer

Paul Smith
September 26th, 2005, 02:44 PM
Jim......I'll alwasy take offense with you if:

- You buy a round of "light" beer
- Side with John on anything
- Take me to seriouslly


Everything else.....politics, religion, TI, late bloomer qualifications are all fair game!

Peter Cruise
September 26th, 2005, 03:01 PM
Jim- a graceful apology, whether needed or not, can be salutary- as yours was.

aquageek
September 26th, 2005, 03:02 PM
I'm not apologizing to any of you folks, especially the Pauls or the Smiths and especially not to the socialist agitator, Cruise.

I have privately apologized to one on this forum and have beat myself up for two years about what I said. And, no, it's not who you think, that fellow's never getting an apology from me.

newmastersswimmer
September 26th, 2005, 03:30 PM
originally posted by Aquageek

I'm not apologizing to any of you folks, especially the Pauls or the Smiths and especially not to the socialist agitator, Cruise.

I have privately apologized to one on this forum and have beat myself up for two years about what I said. And, no, it's not who you think, that fellow's never getting an apology from me


Fair enough Aquageek....We will love you anyway....(har har)

Cruise is a socialist.....cool.....I have even more reason to like him....(more har hars)

Thanks Peter....You are a man of eloquent speech that is for certain!....Even if the words go over my head sometimes.....I guess you must have read one or two of those books you've been pedaling up there!

Peter Cruise
September 26th, 2005, 03:32 PM
Thanks, Jim...if I could just figure out how to read while I swim...

mattson
September 27th, 2005, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by aquageek
I'm not apologizing to any of you folks, ...

I have privately apologized to one on this forum and have beat myself up for two years about what I said.

Boy, that's rough when you beat yourself up for apologizing once! ;) :D

aquageek
September 27th, 2005, 10:20 AM
I get plenty of practice apologizing to my wife and daughters.

Frank Thompson
September 27th, 2005, 01:31 PM
Aquageek:

I noticed that you changed your name. I have always tried to figure your identity. You don't have to applogize for being Farney McGee, Mannus Von Pounderson, Stone McFarlane, and David Wooderson. Now are you named Bill Davis, aged about 37 or 38, and swim free times of :25.6 for 50, 56.3 for 100, and 2:02.24 for 200. I think I figured out who you are swimming in North Carolina.

aquageek
September 27th, 2005, 02:08 PM
If this type of inquisition continues I will have to go back to my favorite movie character of all time, that being David Wooderson from Dazed and Confused.

To throw Thompson off the trail, here's another clue. In my daughter's Indian Princess tribe (a YMCA program) my handle is Flaky White Fish, always accompanied by the beautiful Shimmering Mermaid.

gull
September 27th, 2005, 02:37 PM
I cannot believe that "Indian Princess" is considered politically correct. May I suggest "Native American Leader Person"?

Sam Perry
September 27th, 2005, 06:06 PM
Originally posted by gull80
I cannot believe that "Indian Princess" is considered politically correct. May I suggest "Native American Leader Person"?

Watch the politics, you don't want to be shut down.

PeirsolFan
September 28th, 2005, 01:33 AM
I thought it was hilarious! You guys crack me up! :D