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tjrpatt
January 23rd, 2006, 10:51 PM
I am so not happy about Fox giving her this hosting gig. Then again, I was always on Team Evans when the Janet Evans and Summer Sanders feud was happening. The sports media never portrayed Matt Biondi and Tom Yaeger(don't remember his last name that well) feuding with each other.

knelson
January 24th, 2006, 10:57 AM
I saw that show last night. My wife's a figure skater and I guess the people in her skating forum all asked "who the heck is Summer Sanders?" Some people remembered she was an athlete of some type, but no one knew she was a swimmer!

craiglll@yahoo.com
January 24th, 2006, 11:29 AM
What is the difference bnetween hosting this terrible show on Fox and the count down on FSN? Both are very cheesey! But as my father used to always say, " A pay check is a pay check!"

Frank Thompson
January 24th, 2006, 12:47 PM
Kirk:

Its hard for me to believe that people don't know who Summer Sanders is? Now maybe they don't remember that she was a swimmer, but if they watch any sort of Cable Sports there going to know who Summer is. After the 1992 Olympics a lot of press predicted that Summer would be a media darling in the future and it looks like that has happened judging from the exposure recently in TV.

Summer used to do TV for swim meets back in the 1990's and was one of the color commentators for the 1996 Olympics with Rowdy Gaines and Dan Hicks. From there she went on to host programs with many different networks with different types of programs. She even has a book that was published about her swimming and life experiences about 5 years ago.

Programs like Nickelodeon "Figure It Out", ESPN "NBA Inside Stuff", ESPN "The Sport Lists" and the new program on ESPN called "Beg Borrow and Deal". I can't think of one women athlete that has hosted this many different programs in the last 10 years. Summer along with Dona de Verona have become the most successful USA women swimmers to ever host sports TV.

It does not matter if you like it or not, the TV world obviously likes the job that Summer has been doing, so I think you are going to see a lot of Summer in the future doing different gigs with sports. This FOX show is just another in the long list of shows for Summer Sanders.

knelson
January 24th, 2006, 02:08 PM
Originally posted by Frank Thompson
Its hard for me to believe that people don't know who Summer Sanders is? Now maybe they don't remember that she was a swimmer, but if they watch any sort of Cable Sports there going to know who Summer is.

I know. I had a hard to believing it, too!

Frank Thompson
January 24th, 2006, 02:29 PM
Kirk:

You better start using the preview before you respond. I know I should talk because I have made some silly blunders here too. You meant to put time have hard. If you read that many times you might get a different interpretation of what you meant to say.

dorothyrde
January 24th, 2006, 03:11 PM
Originally posted by Frank Thompson
Kirk:

Its hard for me to believe that people don't know who Summer Sanders is? Now maybe they don't remember that she was a swimmer, but if they watch any sort of Cable Sports there going to know who Summer is. After the 1992 Olympics a lot of press predicted that Summer would be a media darling in the future and it looks like that has happened judging from the exposure recently in TV.



You know, this is like the thread on the race club site of asking the man on the streets to name some swimmers. Since I am married to the man on the street that has no clue about swimming, I am betting that he would not know who Summer Sanders is, he could name Michael Phelps, and probably Mark Spitz and that is it. If you are not into swimming, you don't know the swimmers, and once they have had their spot every 4 years, they are forgotton.

Frank Thompson
January 24th, 2006, 03:23 PM
Dorothy:

Agreed. What I was saying is that if you have Cable TV and watch the sports programs its hard not to remember Summer Sanders. I think people will know who she is but probably not remember she was a swimmer. On some of those shows she will hint that she was a swimmer. I keep seeing her on those ESPN shows like who is the greatest and the sports lists. I think I have seen at least 6 of those recently. Like who are the 20 Greatest College Basketball Players ever, 20 Greatest NFL Quarterbacks, etc. If you don't watch cable sports or cable TV, you are probably right that the person on the street won't know Summer.

knelson
January 24th, 2006, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by Frank Thompson
If you read that many times you might get a different interpretation of what you meant to say.

Oops! I guess I can't go back and edit it now or no one will understand what you're talking about. I'll just have to live with that one :D

mattson
January 24th, 2006, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by knelson
I'll just have to live with that one :D

Live with it? If it has been over 4 hours, you should see a doctor. :p

knelson
January 25th, 2006, 12:37 AM
Well played, Mark!

craiglll@yahoo.com
January 25th, 2006, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by Frank Thompson
Kirk:

Its hard for me to believe that people don't know who Summer Sanders is? Now maybe they don't remember that she was a swimmer, but if they watch any sort of Cable Sports there going to know who Summer is. After the 1992 Olympics a lot of press predicted that Summer would be a media darling in the future and it looks like that has happened judging from the exposure recently in TV.

Summer used to do TV for swim meets back in the 1990's and was one of the color commentators for the 1996 Olympics with Rowdy Gaines and Dan Hicks. From there she went on to host programs with many different networks with different types of programs. She even has a book that was published about her swimming and life experiences about 5 years ago.

Programs like Nickelodeon "Figure It Out", ESPN "NBA Inside Stuff", ESPN "The Sport Lists" and the new program on ESPN called "Beg Borrow and Deal". I can't think of one women athlete that has hosted this many different programs in the last 10 years. Summer along with Dona de Verona have become the most successful USA women swimmers to ever host sports TV.

It does not matter if you like it or not, the TV world obviously likes the job that Summer has been doing, so I think you are going to see a lot of Summer in the future doing different gigs with sports. This FOX show is just another in the long list of shows for Summer Sanders.

The gymnast women named Johnson (from the late 80s early 90s)(I'm sorry I've forgotten her first name) used to do a lot of woman's sport when ESPN first started. I think she also did commentary summer olympics. Aslo, didnl't the woman who is on the ABC morning show start out by anchoring the weekend sports desk? And Phylis george used to do a lot of sports.

I bet most people, until the fox skating show wouldn't know who Summer Sanders was or what sport she was invloved in even if she were asking the question.

also, One of our relay teams is now ranked number one inthe state. In our local paper, they barely got a mention. Yet our high school's basketball team, which is well below 500 gets front page coverage almost everyday in our local paper. Probably most people in Galesburg don't even know that we have a swimming team. Let alone a really good one. Swimming is so far below the radar for most people, I woudl believe that they don't even know what is done during a swim meet.

dorothyrde
January 25th, 2006, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by craiglll@yahoo.com
The gymnast women named Johnson (from the late 80s early 90s)(I'm sorry I've forgotten her first name) used to do a lot of woman's sport when ESPN first started. I think she also did commentary summer olympics. Aslo, didnl't the woman who is on the ABC morning show start out by anchoring the weekend sports desk? And Phylis george used to do a lot of sports.

I bet most people, until the fox skating show wouldn't know who Summer Sanders was or what sport she was invloved in even if she were asking the question.

also, One of our relay teams is now ranked number one inthe state. In our local paper, they barely got a mention. Yet our high school's basketball team, which is well below 500 gets front page coverage almost everyday in our local paper. Probably most people in Galesburg don't even know that we have a swimming team. Let alone a really good one. Swimming is so far below the radar for most people, I woudl believe that they don't even know what is done during a swim meet.

Cathy Johnson :)

Summer was on a Nick show for a while so people know her from that.

Great on the relay doing well! Around here we supply our own publicity to get the paper interested. They will publish what is given, but don't really go out of their way to get the information.
The HS teams are strong, so it makes good press.

MichiganHusker
January 25th, 2006, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by tjrpatt
I was always on Team Evans when the Janet Evans and Summer Sanders feud was happening....

What was the feud about?

tjrpatt
January 25th, 2006, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by MichiganHusker
What was the feud about?

I think that the media brought that on because they both competed in the 400 IM and I think that the media wanted to tear her down from being so successful at South Korea. That is all that I can remember from that time.

craiglll@yahoo.com
January 26th, 2006, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by tjrpatt
I think that the media brought that on because they both competed in the 400 IM and I think that the media wanted to tear her down from being so successful at South Korea. That is all that I can remember from that time.

I once heard Janet Evans say that she didn't realize there was a feud, only healthy competition.

MichiganHusker
January 26th, 2006, 02:13 PM
Originally posted by craiglll@yahoo.com
...there was a feud, only healthy competition.....

That's the difference between swimming and ice skating. Swimmers see competition as healthy while ice skaters hire a hit man to whack your rival in the shins.

Guess that's why no one claims to know who Summer Sanders is. ;)

tjrpatt
January 26th, 2006, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by MichiganHusker
That's the difference between swimming and ice skating. Swimmers see competition as healthy while ice skaters hire a hit man to whack your rival in the shins.

Guess that's why no one claims to know who Summer Sanders is. ;)

Plus, back then, there weren't millions to be made in Swimming like today. People like Phelps make 10 million a year in endorsements. Heck, even Brendan Hansen brings in a million a year with his endorsements.

Frank Thompson
January 26th, 2006, 05:01 PM
Tom:

Where are you coming up with these figures for both swimmers?Could you please provide a source for this information?

cinc3100
January 26th, 2006, 05:58 PM
Well, I heard of the celeb skating thing and I didn't seen it,even if I like skating. I head that Tia and Randy Gardner and Scott Hamilton and John Nicks(the coach of Sasha Cohen) was there. Now, Sasha Cohen may know who Summer Sanders is because she met Michael Phelps at the Espn awards and had her picture taken with him. Summer probably is like a lot of women she likes figure skating and is of course making some money. Now what do some of you think of Michelle Kwan's medical bid to go to the olympics without skating nationals. In swimming you can't do that.

cinc3100
January 26th, 2006, 06:01 PM
Actually, figure skaters were making millions a few years back but that went down. Michelle Kwan made a 7 figure income for about 8 years now. And Sarah Hughes made one million on Stars on Ice and it was about 3 years after she won the gold at the olympics.

ALM
January 26th, 2006, 09:36 PM
Here is something that seems more sad to me than the Summer Sanders thing.

A store called Nebraska Furniture Mart opened here (Kansas City) a couple of years ago. It is based in Omaha and is known for its mega-stores, which carry furniture, large applicances, and electronics.

Yesterday and again this evening I saw a TV commercial for Nebraska Furniture Mart. Guess who is going to be at the Kansas City store this Saturday?

You guessed it..... MARK SPITZ.

They even had a short taped segment of him saying something about how he hoped everyone would come out to see him and the "large selection of Panasonic products."

cinc3100
January 26th, 2006, 10:28 PM
Well, I don't mind her doing figure skating and this is real chessy stuff since its old pros and the general public skating together, not serious figure skating. Figure skating at the olympic level is very difficult. There are men that do quad jumps and then follow up with a triple jump. Most swimmers here until they watched the olympics don't know how hard its to be able to do the jumps in olympic and world level figure skating.

knelson
January 26th, 2006, 11:53 PM
I'd say to get to the Olympics in any sport is an incredible achievement. The "my sport is better, tougher, cooler, etc than your sport" stuff should be left to high schoolers.

Frank Thompson
January 27th, 2006, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by tjrpatt
I am so not happy about Fox giving her this hosting gig. Then again, I was always on Team Evans when the Janet Evans and Summer Sanders feud was happening. The sports media never portrayed Matt Biondi and Tom Yaeger(don't remember his last name that well) feuding with each other.

There was never any feud and it was denied by both swimmers and Coach Richard Quick. They swam against each other 4 times in the 400 IM between 1990 and 1992 and Summer won each time. What is interesting is that the first race between the two was at the 1990 Goodwill games and the press considered it a major upset because Janet Evans was the 1988 Olympic Champion and American Record holder. But people in the swimming community knew better. The spring of 1990, as a high school senior, Summer Sanders won the 400 Yard IM at the 1990 Spring Nationals which was the last Nationals held in a short course setting. Janet missed that Nationals because she was sick and had never been defeated since 1986 in a 400 IM at Nationals. Summer Sanders time was a 4:09.79 in that meet compared to 4:07.59 time posted by Janet Evans at the 1990 NCAA meet.

Summer enrolled at Stanford in the fall of 1990 and for a very brief period they had the two best swimmers in the country going to the same school. Richard Quick trained then in two separte groups at Stanford with Janet trainning with the distance swimmers. At the 1991 NCAA's they crossed again in the 400 IM and Summer went 4:05.19 breaking Janet Evans NCAA record from the previous year. Janet Evans went 4:11.25 and they went 1-2 in that event. In fact both swimmers were the top 2 scorers in the meet winning the remaining. Even with these performances Stanford lost to Texas for the second year in a row.

Coach Mark Schubert was in his 3rd year as the Texas Coach. The year before Texas won by 9 points and that was considered an upset at that time. They lost by more in 1991 even with the two best swimmers. At the end of the college season, Janet Evans announced that she would be giving up her college eligibility because of new NCAA rules limiting collegiate swimming practice time to 20 hours per week. Plus she could sign with an agent and start taking endorsments.

The big suprise out of this was in making that announcement, she said she would be leaving Stanford because she was not satisfied with the distance program there and choose to swim under Mark Schubert of Texas, Stanford's main rival. She did however say that Richard Quick should be given credit because she did improve her 200 Free and even won a National Championship in that event. A lot of the press thought she left Stanford because of Sanders and some perceived feud. That was never substantiated. Janet Evans times in the distance events were not improving and she decided to make a change and turn professional and train with Mark in Ausin.

When Mark left Austin and went to USC, Janet followed him there and stayed in his program until 1996 when she retired from swimming. Summer Sanders swam only one more year at Stanford and did exactly the same thing in 1992 and gave up the final 2 years of her NCAA eligibility. Stanford won the NCAA in 1993 and had a replacement for Janet Evans named Jenny Thompson who scored the exact same points as Janet did the year previous. The big loser out of all of this was Richard Quick. If all of those swimmers stayed in school they along with Jenny Thompson would have been on the same team in 1993.

newmastersswimmer
January 27th, 2006, 03:15 PM
Thanks for that explanation/story Frank......It appears from this posting and countless others of yours I've read here, that you are perhaps the biggest swimming trivia buff/human encyclopedia of swimming history I've ever run across.....i.e. I'm very impressed with your overall knowledge of swimming history!


Newmastersswimmer

knelson
January 27th, 2006, 03:56 PM
I totally forgot those two swam together at Stanford. For some reason I thought Evans swam for USC. It must be because she swam for Schubert who now coaches the USC women.

tjrpatt
January 27th, 2006, 10:57 PM
thanks for the back story, Skip. When swimming is on tv, they don't give this kind of info. They give you the info that they want to give you. Back then, they gave us the info that they were feuding.

Skip, did you hear anything about Janet Evans didn't improve because Richard Quick put her on weight training when she went to college and thus, she never reached her peak levels again. Thanks for the rundown of the Sanders/Evans story.

Frank Thompson
January 28th, 2006, 10:47 AM
First of all thanks Jim. I just have a nack at remembering these things. Its too bad I don't have a nack for other complicted things.

Tom, I know that the Stanford teams, both men and women have extensive weight training and its been documented in Swimming Technique in the late 1980's. I never heard any specfic complaint that I can remember about weight training in regard to Janet and how it did not contribute to improvement to peak levels. I do remember Richard Quick being asked questions about the specfic training and usually he answered with, we do this as a team, for the team benefits. It usually came off as rah, rah, Stanford.

Janet Evans made a statement saying she was not satisfied with the distance training program at Stanford. She did say that with the training she had at the school she was able to improve her 200 Free and sprints. She did her best time of 2:00.67 in the 1991 Word Championships in Perth losing to Hayley Lewis. I bring Haley Lewis up because she was the first one to challenge Janet in the distance events in 5 years. At the 1991 World Championships, Janet won by less than .05 in the 400 Free. At the 1994 World Championships it was even closer in the 800 Free with Janet winning by a less of a margin. No one up to this point had ever challenged Janet Evans in the 3 distance events and after 1991 people started to challenge.

After Janet left, Richard Quick said there never was a problem and that they just had there differences. The press did not believe him and that's how this Evans/Sanders feud started. I can believe how Richard could be the peacemaker because in the book "Gold In The Water" by PH Mullen, it was documented that he secretly trained Dara Tores because he felt the workouts with Dara and Jenny Thompson were to intense and not helping either of them and this was how he choose to handle this. However, sooner or later everyone found out and the press had a field day with this.

Tom, regarding Michael Phelps, I think the source of the information is incorrect because I have never, ever, heard of a 10 million figure being reported anywhere. Not that the man is a pauper, but 10 million seems a little excessive.

craiglll@yahoo.com
January 28th, 2006, 11:04 AM
About Michael Phelps & his money. I've heard from two kids who go to Michigan that they never see him around or anythign. I realize that it is a big campus. What he is up to? what classes he is taking. I saw that he will be swimmign inthe FINA World cup event in New York.

knelson
January 28th, 2006, 12:54 PM
Originally posted by craiglll@yahoo.com
What he is up to? what classes he is taking.

Based on the $10M per year figure, I'm presuming business and finance classes :)

Back to Janet Evans. You know, Janet may not have liked Richard Quick's training techniques, but I think you also have to look at physiological changes with Janet herself. At the Seoul games she was very small. She grew quite a bit in the next few years and it seems like it was hard for her to totally adapt to her new body. Her very high turnover stroke was probably much better suited for her when she was short and skinny.

Frank Thompson
January 28th, 2006, 08:14 PM
Now I know the source of the information is incorrect. My source of information was the man himself Michael Phelps. I saw him today at the University of Michigan/Ohio State dual meet at Canham Natatorium in Ann Arbor. There was no announcement but he swam two exibition races today during the breaks in the meet. He swam in the center of the pool in a time trail like setting all by himself. After the meet, there was a meet and greet with people standing in a line to get things signed. I asked him to sign the two meet programs that I had and congratulated him on the good swims and the ten million dollar compensation package that he receives yearly that I read on a swimming website. He looked at me like I was from another planet and said someone knows something neither his agent or himself knows. I said nothing and shook his hand and left the line.

The two events he swam were the 200 IM and the 100 Fly. He swam a 1:46.05, missing his pool record from last year by .02 and his splits were :21.93, :25.71, :30.60, and :24.85. He did the 100 Fly in a new pool record of :46.03 and split :21.95 and :24.08. In another exibition race Kleete Keller and Chris Thompson swam a 500 Free. Kleete want 4:19 spliting 2:07 at the (250) half way mark. Chris Thompson went a 4:27. Chis de Young was the star of the Michigan team setting a pool record in the 200 Back at 1:42.83 breaking his own pool record of 1:44.30. The Michigan team won every event except the last event, which was the 200 Free Relay and Bill Wadley's squad won that event.

This was the first meet that I have been to where no one left during the diving. Michael got in to warm up and everyone was watching and some people were down by the railing video taping his warm up. At the conclusion of the meet there was no clear out and everyone stayed and watched Bob Bowman as he mounted the deck to put the team thru a light workout before they would get on the bus and head out to Bloomington, Indiana for a dual meet with IU at noon tomorrow. The place was packed with lots of swimming fans.

cinc3100
January 31st, 2006, 11:05 PM
Well, both Summers and Evans are able to make a living out of speaking. One does all kinds of sports annoucing Summers and Evans does public speaking. I forgot about Summers once did the 400 Im. I know the decade before the 1980's, the 1970's better since I swam in that period.

Frank Thompson
February 1st, 2006, 04:26 PM
On a related topic here, today on the USA swimming web site Natalie Coughlin is the guest for the 20 question Tuesday with Bob Schaller. Natalie will serve as an in-studio host for MSNBC at the Winter Olympics. She said she appreciates getting the opportunity and talks about her upcoming broadcasting work and future plans.

So chalk one up for the swimmers in broadcasting. Its always nice to see this for our sport. Now maybe people will know who Natlie is after the Winter Olympics are over.

cinc3100
February 7th, 2006, 01:05 AM
Nat, maybe she knows who Parra is or Rusty or some of those speedskaters. Apollo Anton Ohno was a breaststroker when he was a kid but it was smarter that he went into shorttrack speedskating. I bet that the breaststroke as a kid helped to developed strong legs in Apollo which was great for a short track skater.

gull
February 7th, 2006, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by Frank Thompson
Michael got in to warm up and everyone was watching and some people were down by the railing video taping his warm up. At the conclusion of the meet there was no clear out and everyone stayed and watched Bob Bowman as he mounted the deck to put the team thru a light workout before they would get on the bus and head out to Bloomington, Indiana for a dual meet with IU at noon tomorrow.

I assume they were all practicing fishlike swimming. Perhaps someone should tell Bowman not to refer to it as a "workout."

Frank Thompson
February 8th, 2006, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by gull80
I assume they were all practicing fishlike swimming. Perhaps someone should tell Bowman not to refer to it as a "workout."

Gull:

Actually they did some underwater drills. Much like you see Michael Phelps on TV when he pushes off the walls to get the best possible breakout distance from the streamlining on his side with his body extended from his dolphin kicking. He was doing 25's kicking on his left side, then another 25 kicking on his right side, then a 25 kicking on his back. He did some full stroke fly after this, again going underwater streamlining to get the best distance before surfacing and swimming 6 strokes to complete the 25. Was that fishlike swimming? Maybe, I don't know. You should try it and ask yourself.

When he was swimming free he seemed to be concentrating on perfect form, long strokes, good rotation, balance position in the water, etc. Was he slippery swimming and guilty of fishlike swimming? I wasn't about to ask him that at the meet and greet at the end of the meet because I had already asked him a stupid question about the 10 million.

Gull, are you now a born again swimmer and have been converted to being a slippery swimmer? A while back you did make a confession about this when you were warming down from a main set and concentrating on proper mechanics. Plus your friend and rival as referred to you as TI Pigeon God.