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SupaFly
February 8th, 2002, 02:27 PM
What is the concensus on the modern freestyle pull for sprints; is it straight back or slightly curved (S-shaped like the butterfly pull but with less curve)?

Additionally, links to diagrams/articles would also be greatly appreciated!

Ion Beza
February 8th, 2002, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by SupaFly
What is the concensus on the modern freestyle pull for sprints; is it straight back or slightly curved (S-shaped like the butterfly pull but with less curve)?

Additionally, links to diagrams/articles would also be greatly appreciated!
SupaFly TJ, I don't know what a poll would show about the consensus, but I know that fast swimmers pull straight.

In www.usswim.org there used to be a feature called 'Ask the Sperstar' where the sprinter Anthony Ervin (US) answered a poster last year to get rid of the S-shape when pulling.
Australian swimmers and the sprinter Inge de Bruijn (Ned.) are notorious for swimming with straigh arms above the water and in the water when pulling.

GZoltners
February 8th, 2002, 04:57 PM
It seems to me that there is some s-like action when your hand is over your head as you scull a bit, but then it is straight down most of the way. Because the body is rotating, from the perspective of the swimmer the hand can seem to be moving in an s motion, but it is going straight from the perspective of the bottom of the pool.

Swim fast,
Greg

KenChertoff
February 8th, 2002, 05:13 PM
It's probably impossible for there not to be some side to side hand motion, because of the way the arm is constructed and, as Greg said, body rotation makes it appear to be an "S" motion from the swimmer's perspective. But, as my coaches teach it, it's basically a straight back pull (relative to the pool bottom), not the deliberate S-curve that was taught a few years ago.

SupaFly
February 9th, 2002, 12:32 PM
OK, sounds like the concensus is for the straight pull. Thanks!

Gil
February 12th, 2002, 05:41 PM
I am just coming back to swimming after a long lay off. These comments about the pull have me slightly confused. What happened to the theory that the S pull was to be used because the swimmer is searching for still water rather than water that is already moving backwards?

KenChertoff
February 12th, 2002, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by Gil
I am just coming back to swimming after a long lay off. These comments about the pull have me slightly confused. What happened to the theory that the S pull was to be used because the swimmer is searching for still water rather than water that is already moving backwards?

I'm not a coach myself, but I've been told by a couple of coaches (my team's coach and a coach who ran a training camp I attended a couple of years ago) that that was an "after-the-fact" theory to explain the "S pull" that people THOUGHT they saw. In fact, what they were seeing was just a function of body rotation, so the hand looked as if it was moving in an S pattern relative to the body (but not the pool bottom) -- almost an optical illusion. Of course, some side to side motion is inevitable because of the way the arm is constructed, but as I understand it, very few coaches now teach a deliberate S pull, especially for sprinters.

__steve__
March 4th, 2016, 05:57 PM
What is the concensus on the modern freestyle pull for sprints; is it straight back or slightly curved (S-shaped like the butterfly pull but with less curve)?

Additionally, links to diagrams/articles would also be greatly appreciated!Would it neither be straight back or sculling, but a fixed hand position in the water after the catch (with small amount of slippage backwards)?

orca1946
March 5th, 2016, 12:19 PM
Straight back but, with the arm bent not a straight arm under water.

knelson
March 5th, 2016, 06:59 PM
Is this a new record for time between posts in a thread? More than 14 years!!

orca1946
March 6th, 2016, 02:41 PM
Was it the same person that started the post --- or the next generation of swimmer , I wonder.