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Racer X
August 28th, 2006, 02:27 PM
Please excuse me if this has been posted before.

It seems that in order to be a National/World class sprinter, you have to be 6ft 3 or better. It would appear that taller is better. Popov was 6' 7", Hall 6'5", Lezak 6'5', Cullen Jones 6' 5", Sabir Mahammed 6'6". our own Smith crew 6'?, An oldy but a goody Robert Peel 6'6 etc, etc. From my TV, it looked as though Phelps was the shortest guy on the WR 400 free relay at 6' 4"

Knowing this, in the future, should shorter, young, potential world class sprinters be redirected to middle distance or other strokes? Do short guys/gals even stand a chance anymore?

It would seem that basketball players would make the best sprinters. They have the height, the strength and the vertical leap down pat.

geochuck
August 28th, 2006, 02:39 PM
And then along comes some little guy who can't jump a lick and beats them all.

ande
August 28th, 2006, 02:40 PM
john smith is 6' 4'

paul swim looked 6' 6" or 7

I don't think robert peel is 6' 6" I remember seeing him at Nashville in 1991 and he looked 6' 2 or 3
I think he weighed in the 180's

biondi was 6' 7"

jager was 6' 3"

andy coan 6' 5"

neil walker is about 6' 5"

shaun jordan is 6' 0 - 1"

jonty skinner is 6' 5 ish
jim montgomery is 6 5ish

rowdy gaines is 6' 0"

Garrett Weber Gale is 6' 0 - 1"

isn't Anthony Ervin around 6' 1"

Gary Schatz is 5' 8"


I was talking with a fellow who makes racing canoes and he talked about the boat's footprint in the water
Same with swimmers, tall lean, skinny hips, long arms, big hands, big feet are all pluses


ande


Originally posted by Racer X
Please excuse me if this has been posted before.

It seems that in order to be a National/World class sprinter, you have to be 6ft 3 or better. It would appear that taller is better. Popov was 6' 7", Hall 6'5", Lezak 6'5', Cullen Jones 6' 5", Sabir Mahammed 6'6". our own Smith crew 6'?, An oldy but a goody Robert Peel 6'6 etc, etc. From my TV, it looked as though Phelps was the shortest guy on the WR 400 free relay at 6' 4"

Knowing this, in the future, should shorter, young, potential world class sprinters be redirected to middle distance or other strokes? Do short guys/gals even stand a chance anymore?

It would seem that basketball players would make the best sprinters. They have the height, the strength and the vertical leap down pat.

Racer X
August 28th, 2006, 02:44 PM
George,

Do you have any examples?

Racer X
August 28th, 2006, 02:51 PM
Ande,

I know for sure Rob Peel is at least 6' 4" and has size 14 feet. From my recollection, he didn't even start swimming until he was in his early teens. It would be interesting to see what he could do now in the 40-44 age group. Smiths beware!

geochuck
August 28th, 2006, 02:53 PM
Not recently but in 1932 the USA mens team comprised of Giants compared to the Japannese swimmers who were of small stature. And others short guys are now starting to get in the action. http://www.infoplease.com/ipsa/A0114516.html

Racer X
August 28th, 2006, 02:59 PM
George,

Nice find. I think the short guys do still have a chance in the hundred. Of course some of us think the hundred is a distance event ; )

geochuck
August 28th, 2006, 03:01 PM
Found this nice article here which explains a bit like the way I think. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3871/is_199904/ai_n8836967

Racer X
August 28th, 2006, 03:34 PM
Yet another good article about generalities of swimmers. It sounds very communist Russian in thought process. Not that that's a bad thing when it comes to athletics. Identify those with potential early, isolate them, focus their efforts and make them Olympians.

Taking his theories to the Sprint lane, eliminate the short guys early on, for they have no chance in the 50 at an elite level.

geochuck
August 28th, 2006, 03:43 PM
That piddely 50 has only been recognized for a very short time. It is as I said many years ago its a dive, no breath, a few strokes and touch the wall.

Paul Smith
August 28th, 2006, 04:04 PM
George.....sorry to disagree.....but this distance is hands down the single most challenging in our sport.

Sure, anyone can swim it as you describe......but not "fast". The elite athletes at this distance have the rare combination of strength (mental as much as physical) and absolutely flawless technique.

geochuck
August 28th, 2006, 04:08 PM
Originally posted by Paul Smith
George.....sorry to disagree.....but this distance is hands down the single most challenging in our sport.

Sure, anyone can swim it as you describe......but not "fast". The elite athletes at this distance have the rare combination of strength (mental as much as physical) and absolutely flawless technique. Hate admit it but true.

bbpolhill
August 28th, 2006, 04:28 PM
If by most challenging you mean that the 50 is the most difficult to win consistently over a significant period of time, then I would have to agree. There is little margin for error.

I think you would have to say, however, that physiology is a fairly important factor in sprint events. Given similar levels of technique and mental toughness, I will put my money on the 6' 6" guy over the 5' 10" guy any day no matter how hard the 5' 10" guy trains.

This is not necessarily the case at longer distances, but at least the little guy stands a chance in those events.

Sincerely,

70 inches and shrinking

stussy96
August 30th, 2006, 07:58 PM
Well, from what I saw in D1 swimming....

Keep in mind, I am female, and I am about 5'11. I was a sprinter and most people in my training group were close to my same build. Most girls on our team were 5'8 and up.

When we went to meets, I was about the average heights for the sprinters. Now, granted, we were not "world class sprinters", but I do see being tall as a trend. The tallest girl on our team was about 6'4 and she was a sprinter, too. We didn't have a mens team, but when there were men at meets, they were all very tall.

-Stacy

geochuck
August 31st, 2006, 08:06 PM
Here is a video of a tall guy, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8926082855111169219&q=swimming&hl=en

craiglll@yahoo.com
September 5th, 2006, 02:51 PM
I thought this was a no braiiner. Short swimmers only do breast. When I was in high school inthe 70s, most of our team was made up of average height., Now it is all tall guys.

valhallan
September 5th, 2006, 08:05 PM
Originally posted by Racer X

It would seem that basketball players would make the best sprinters. They have the height, the strength and the vertical leap down pat.

Cullen Jones...who's been dubbed by the media as the new "Tiger Woods" of swimming...is a good example of this. Not that he played basketball...but he very well could. Recently he went 21.94 for the 50M free...and he was the last guy off the blocks! Rowdy Gaines told him in the televised aftermath...that if he worked on his start...the world record is toast.

http://www.usaswimming.org/USASWeb/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=1&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en&ItemId=1184&mid=45
USA Swimming - Home


http://www.ncsu.edu/nubian/2006_04_19/a&e/cullen_jones.html
The Nubian Message

Dennis Tesch
September 5th, 2006, 10:23 PM
Originally posted by Paul Smith
George.....sorry to disagree.....but this distance is hands down the single most challenging in our sport.

Sure, anyone can swim it as you describe......but not "fast". The elite athletes at this distance have the rare combination of strength (mental as much as physical) and absolutely flawless technique.


Paul I appreciate the difficulties and challenges sprinting brings to our sport, but don't discount all of our other events. They all have their different challenges. I don't want to get into why or why not one event is more challenging than the other - you could go on for ever. Lets just appreciate that each event will continually be redefined by new athletes every generation.

geochuck
September 5th, 2006, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by Paul Smith
George.....sorry to disagree.....but this distance is hands down the single most challenging in our sport.

Sure, anyone can swim it as you describe......but not "fast". The elite athletes at this distance have the rare combination of strength (mental as much as physical) and absolutely flawless technique.
Just wondered have you ever tried to swim across Lake Ontario where the water starts out at 70 degrees and drops to 48 degrees halfway there and a storm breaks out. The wind comes up and blows you 12 miles off course. And no wet suit to keep you warm. It is more challenging then a 50 free. I still think it is a dive, a few dolphin kicks,and a few strokes. Sure some are faster than others, challenging, I don,t think so.

mattson
September 7th, 2006, 01:16 PM
Originally posted by geochuck
Just wondered have you ever tried to swim across Lake Ontario...

I have seen a moose swim across Ontario, and still have enough energy to sprint up a hill at the end to outrun the animal control experts.

I have yet to see a moose do the 50 free.

Racer X
September 7th, 2006, 01:58 PM
Mark,

Did that moose use a track start or grab start and did he swim with open or closed hooves?:)

stussy96
September 7th, 2006, 07:04 PM
Originally posted by craiglll@yahoo.com
I thought this was a no braiiner. Short swimmers only do breast. When I was in high school inthe 70s, most of our team was made up of average height., Now it is all tall guys.


Hey hey hey....watch it!!! I am tall...I do breast. Or do girls have different "rules"?

ddunbar
September 8th, 2006, 04:43 PM
As a 5' 8" breast stroker, I resemble that no brainer comment. I can recall standing on the first step on the blocks and looking eye to eye with the rest of the guys standing on the deck. Backstrokers always seem to want to see me practice my starts before joining the relay team, some sort of clearance concern.

mattson
September 8th, 2006, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by Racer X
Did that moose use a track start or grab start and did he swim with open or closed hooves?:)

You'd have to ask George, as the moose started in Canada. I was lifeguarding at Charlotte beach (where the Genesee River empties into the lake), and one of the animal dudes had us row him out. Moose was swimming head up the whole time, so the technique wasn't ideal.

geochuck
September 8th, 2006, 07:57 PM
I dont know exactly but here is Moose swimming with a buddy, we have always taught when swimming never swim alone swim with a buddy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO_4FcxeXug Mooses's buddy is Molley