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Peter Cruise
September 7th, 2006, 06:12 PM
There seems to be as many opinions and misinformation floating around about personal weight that I thought we might share and perhaps open our minds a bit. Here are the questions that I feel will provide useful info:
Age
Sex
Height
Present weight range (many people vary 3-4 lbs over a day)
Ideal weight range for optimum health (your opinion)
Ideal weight range for optimum swimming performance
What steps are you taking, or will you be taking, to lose or
gain the weight difference between present & optimum.

I'll start
54
M
6'1"
220-224
190-194
182-188
Drastically cut down drinking & desserts; resume active training

geochuck
September 7th, 2006, 06:29 PM
73
Male
6'3"
250
225
215

Started swimming 6 days a week.
Watching food intake

Peter you know I am svelt.

Peter Cruise
September 7th, 2006, 06:32 PM
George, I've svelt better...

BillS
September 7th, 2006, 08:39 PM
45
M
6'2"
188-194 (down from 205ish when I started back swimming 1 1/2 years ago)
185-190 (No evidence for this whatsoever, but I feel pretty good now, so this seems reasonable)
182-186 (No evidence whatsoever. I made this up)

If I cut out beer, I'd drop the pounds, but life without beer isn't worth living, and it hasn't seemed to slow down the Good/Bad/Ugly/Whatever Smith who says that he likes beer. So I'll just keep plugging along after my pool re-opens -- 6 weeks from now. AAAAARRRGGGGHH.

jim clemmons
September 7th, 2006, 08:49 PM
56
M
6'0"
195-200
175+/- (health practitioners always want you too light)
185-190

10 pounds (maybe 15) lighter would be a suitable compromise and still maintain buoyancy. Too light (thin) and I have to exert effort just to stay up on top of the water. Need to cut out the ice cream and late night snacks.

Concho Pearl
September 7th, 2006, 09:55 PM
Okay I'll jump in on this one - I"m not shy even though it is said women should never revel this information..... but we have no trouble reveling other things...

44 (13 days to go until officially 45)
F
5' 3 3/4"
128
120
120-125

NO more Sonic M&M blasts, gain back the pound I just lost because of them. I have been doing -no candy, more water, popcorn once a week, one drink a day, no french fries or fried food. And of course swim more...trying to do swim least 4 times a week with an avg. of 3 miles a week.

meldyck
September 7th, 2006, 09:58 PM
65
M
5'1"
185
175 (yes, the health practitioners again)
probably 190-195

I've lost close to 35 lbs over the last 7 years, slowly, building back muscle in the weight room as I lost the weight. I see no evidence in any functions I monitor (blood pressure, resting pulse, endurance, swim speed etc) that the loss of weight has helped. I do know that my cross-country ski racing has greatly suffered because I no longer carry the food stores built in that can sustain long distance racing.

I'm now trying actively to overeat to keep the weight loss under control.

I have been very active for over 50 years and I was a fit fat man...

-- mel

Peter Cruise
September 8th, 2006, 12:15 AM
I want to urge everyone to shed their self-consciousness, one way or another. It has occurred to me that this thread could also serve as a nagging mother-in-law as we put ourselves on record entering a new season. It would also be useful to hear from some of our super-fast types (Mike, Jeff, Paul, Vlad etc)what their 'vital stats' are. It's all good...

knelson
September 8th, 2006, 12:49 AM
36
M
6'2"
180-185
180-185
180-185

I'm probably over optimistic but I think I'm pretty close to my ideal weight. I'm sure some extra muscle would help me in shorter events, but I don't really concentrate on those.

letsrace
September 8th, 2006, 07:40 AM
I like Kirk's attitude: "I am good just the way I am"

38
M
6' 2"
192-195
170-175 (A lot of studies on longevity and lower weight)
185

I raced this summer at 195 which is 40 pounds over my high school max weight, 20 pounds over my college weight and 15 pounds over my post-college weight. I want to get down to 185 as an experiment, which prompted my discussion on losing weight and getting slower.

My approach is simply to be hungry on occasion. I have been surprised how in my 30's there have been several occasions for me to regretfully acknowledge "I can't remember the last time I was hungry".

Edward The Head
September 8th, 2006, 07:57 AM
33
M
6'2"
~210
190-195
185-195

I've let myself get out of shape and not doing much. We've only just had a baby seven months ago, but I also got married and started drinking more beer. Only because she likes beer too so it's always around, not becuase I got married! I'm not sure what my ideal swimming weight should be, but when I was training for worlds in Italy I was in the 185 range.

I need to cut out the beer, I used to drink 2-3 a night some nights 2-3 times a week. For the last couple of weeks I've been at 1 a night at most. I also need to cut the sweets out, but I like my chocolates. I could also use getting up to go swimming, but it's hard to get up at 4:30 to make it to the pool at 5.

Well now I'm depressed, I've been keeping track of my distances this year for fun. I swam 23 miles the month before we had the baby, I did 10 miles last month and thought I was back on track. No wonder I don't feel so great.

geochuck
September 8th, 2006, 07:57 AM
Originally posted by letsrace


My approach is simply to be hungry on occasion. I have been surprised how in my 30's there have been several occasions for me to regretfully acknowledge "I can't remember the last time I was hungry".
I am Hungry 5 x a day. I am 75lbs over my high school weight, 45 lbs over Olympic weight, and 25 lbs over my ideal marathon swimming weight. Weighed 235 lbs before the 1964 grueling marathon season and 172 lbs after. However most of the weight loss came from eating bad fish in Egypt.

DanSad
September 8th, 2006, 08:45 AM
31
M
6'4"
180-185
180-185
180-185

Not stealing Kirk's numbers, they just work for me as well.

etrain
September 8th, 2006, 09:03 AM
28
M
6'2"
180-183
175-180
170-175

I am kind of glad I have the extra weight right now as Big Shoulders is tomorrow and the water temps are pretty cool.

etrain

SearayPaul
September 8th, 2006, 09:43 AM
50
M
5 6
148 - 150
145 - 155
Unknown

This season I am trying to lower my percent body fat. I would perfer more muscle mass as opposed to adipose tissue. I am up about 25 pounds since high school and the weight is not muscle. I have been doing dryland 2 or 3 times a week this entire year and only swimming once a week and my swimming shows it. I have more time now and will be going to the pool more often with the goal of 4 times a week as I did last year.

Have a great day

Paul

swimmieAvsFan
September 8th, 2006, 10:20 AM
i'm with concho pearl on this one- i'm not shy about revealing my weight! i'm happy with it, finally :)

25
F
5'11"
154-157
145-159 (145lbs for a 5'11" athlete is WAY too low in my opinion! i mean, at 155 i'm still pretty darn skinny!)
154-157

i weighed closer to 150lbs this past short course season (2006), and i honestly didn't feel as powerful as last short course season (2005), and my times show it. so i need to figure out how to keep my weight in the range i'm at now- maybe keep the lower fat diet that i eat in season, which drops me down to around 150-152, but add in dryland or weights to add a little muscle mass...

scyfreestyler
September 8th, 2006, 12:08 PM
32
M
6-0

Currently about 165 and I am pretty happy that way. A bit more muscle would help me drop my 50's and 100's but aside from that I feel great and don't plan on gaining or losing anything.

ande
September 8th, 2006, 12:22 PM
M
43
6' 3 1/2"

210

195 - 200

185 - 195

chickadee
September 8th, 2006, 01:45 PM
Okay here goes


F
47
5'7

136
130-135 my opinion
130-145 much beyond 138 and I think it gets puggy.

132 lbs is the goal this season - but with lots of muscle and tone, need to do core work more consistently, more flexibility focus and add more wieght work esp with re to my back. But below 135 lbs and friends and family say I look too gaunt. It is the chocolate that does me in, can easily skip the fatty foods, fries chips etc, the carbos and the alcohol - but I am a dark chocolate addict...need to skip late night snacking.
I have seen many women in my age group heavier than me beat me soundly - so who knows. I feel like swimming esp kick sets, has added an inch to my thighs and butt or maybe it really was that 80% cocoa bar...

aquageek
September 8th, 2006, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by ande
6' 3 1/2"

I thought only people under 6'0" found it necessary to add the fractional inches to their height.

I'm 5' 10 4/7", slightly less than 5' 10 5/8".

Peter Cruise
September 8th, 2006, 03:00 PM
Geek- this is a no gratuitous personal comment thread- either put up the rest of your info or scuttle back to your corner.

aquageek
September 8th, 2006, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by Peter Cruise
Geek- this is a no gratuitous personal comment thread- either put up the rest of your info or scuttle back to your corner.

OK, forum mounty, here goes.

38,M,5'10",182,170,170.

I have cut out all chips and ice cream lately, although I still eat a bag of flamin' hot Cheetos every week, can't resist those. I have contemplated reducing beer intake but feel that would adversely impact my mental health and all-around well being.

I have lost 6 pounds so far this year by dropping 3 days of swimming a week and added running and 2 conditioning classes (aka - one hour of sheer terror) on those three days.

Of course, with four fantastic college football games on tomorrow (GO DAWGS, Heels, Horns and Nittany Lions)I suspect chips, beer and hot dogs might be my three food groups for the day.

boathead
September 8th, 2006, 06:35 PM
This is very interesting.

58 (almost)
M
6'2"
200
190
175-80

My goal for 2006 is to get down to 190, starting the year at 205. I'm stalled out at 200, achieved mostly by adding about 1500 extra yards per week.

My plan until the end of the year is to eat only one helping at meals and eliminate snacks between work and dinner (3:30-7 pm).

fanstone
September 8th, 2006, 08:00 PM
55
M
5'11"
220
180
170

Weighed 160 in high school. Weighed 180 from 20 to 40 years old with intense tennis and cigarette smoking. Went up to 200 without smoking and with running regularly. Have kept around one tenth of metric ton (220lbs) with just swimming three to four times a week, one hour at the most. I need to either run, or bike or lift weights or all three or something; swimming alone isn't enough to bring my weight down. billy fanstone

Donna
September 8th, 2006, 08:37 PM
44
F
5'9"
220
185
175

Started back to swimming as rehab for a back injury 2 years ago. Still have minimal pain but with a lot more mobility. Just pushing thru it.

Increased from 4 to 6 days per week right after SCY Nationals this year and in the last 4 weeks added a slightly modified body for life program into the works to shed the recent weight and still going strong.

Having to curtail things alittle for the next 2 weeks with 2 meets coming up. Then it is back to the hard work again and hopefully get down to 165 but will be happy with 175. :cool:

gshaw
September 8th, 2006, 09:58 PM
54
M
6'1/2"

165 (been sick and lost a few)
168-170
168-170

Reading the above entries suggests I am not as "huge" as I think I am. Hmmm.

I eat often and regularly, drink protein drinks, recovery stuff, and I lift weights (helped me gain 5 pounds). I don't drink much alcohol or eat fast or sugary foods.

hofffam
September 8th, 2006, 10:11 PM
47 (almost 48)
M
5' 8"
172
165?
168

I'm heavier than most people think for some reason. I wear 32 jeans. I weighed 140 in high school, 160 when I graduated from college. I've been as high as 185.

I like food, beer, and red wine. I will never give up beer since I brew it.

Lots of tall people here. I wish I were 6' (for swimming reasons only).

steeldrum8
September 9th, 2006, 06:09 AM
Alright, I'm biting the bullet and posting mine.

5' 6"

195 (3 kids and 5 surgeries later!!)

120-140 (who comes up withthese numbers?)

144-150

Hopefully increase workouts and stay out of surgery!

bbpolhill
September 9th, 2006, 08:31 AM
43
M
5' 10"
215-220
190-195
190-195


I weighed 250 when I started swimming (for the first time in my life) 1 1/2 years ago. I am hoping to lose weight down to the ideal range to see if my times become more competitive.

gull
September 9th, 2006, 10:31 AM
48
M
5'11" (actually 5'11 1/2")
150 (BMI=20.9)
135-178 (BMI 18.5-24.9)
145 (?) -- college weight

aquaFeisty
September 9th, 2006, 11:06 AM
31
F
5'4"
130
111-140 (Based on BMI. 111? Dang, that's light! I agree with all the other women who have posted that the 'official' weight numbers are not based on athletic females.)
?? Hopefully 130.

Weighed 135 in HS, 140-150 in college (didn't swim). Over the past year have dropped to 130 after having a baby last summer (topped out at 178). I've never raced at 130... hope to keep the weight there while I build some muscle during the upcoming scy season. Need to cut out the after-baby-goes-down nighttime ice cream!

Congrats to bbpolhill on your 35 lbs lost weight since starting swimming!

bbpolhill
September 9th, 2006, 11:28 AM
Thanks, Carrie... and congratulations to you on your new baby and weight loss. Good luck with the upcoming season. I personally can't wait.

I have teenagers, but I can relate to the evening snack.

swimmieAvsFan
September 9th, 2006, 12:38 PM
carrie,

thanks for agreeing with me on the athletic females thing! :D
and to echo brad, congrats on the baby weight loss.

after reading your post, out of curiosity, i went on to the National Institutes of Health's website to get my "official" BMI- 21.6. last time i had mine checked, by skin fold, which isn't even the most accurate way to have it measured, i was 19.3. so neither the old school height vs weight charts, or the "updated" BMI calculations take into consideration lean muscle mass. according to my skin fold calculated BMI, i'm nearing the low, underweight end of the range. but according to height and weight charts, i'm nearing the top, overweight end of the range...
:rolleyes:

Peter Cruise
September 9th, 2006, 01:41 PM
I'm finding this very interesting (even though I start to wonder if I should be a Sumo wrestler reading some of the posts), hope it is opening eyes a bit. It would be good if anyone makes a significant move towards (or away from) their target weights to self report on how they feel, effects (if any) on their swimming etc.

Also, just for curiousity, next time you see your doctor, tell him or her what you weigh now & ask what they feel your ideal weight range for health should be.

As well, approach your swim coach (if you don't have one, then a respected swimmer) and tell them what your current weight is & ask what they feel it should be for optimum swimming performance.

Appreciation to everyone who has contributed so far and exhortations to the rest of you to chip in (why did I get a sudden desire for french fries while writing that last bit?).

dorothyrde
September 9th, 2006, 05:41 PM
45
F
5-4
160
140
140

Back on the Weight Watchers wagon after the weight inching back up(at one time was 180, got down to 140 in 2000). Lost a lousy stinking 3 pounds in August, but better than nothing. And the size 8's are starting to fit again. At 5-4 and 140, I was wearing 4's and 6's, so I seem to be able to have a high BMI, but be smaller.

Dang it is hard to lose as I get older!

And when I went from 180 to 140, I got a lot faster, and I can tell right now that I am carrying too much weight when I swim!(to answer Peters last question)

Hey I finally dropped into the 150's this morning, yay me!

geochuck
September 9th, 2006, 07:44 PM
Peter

I asked my doctor he said I don't want you to lose too much weight and I should at least once a week buy a Strawberry whip cream cake and not share it with anyone and to drink 2 cases of Coke Classic every week. He said I looked great at 325 but said 250ish looks good to.

newmastersswimmer
September 9th, 2006, 11:03 PM
42
Male
5'11''
240
190-195
180-185
I have to start exercising more regularly and stop scarfing down everything in sight!!....and maybe lay off the beer a bit more?

Newmastersswimmer

Peter Cruise
September 9th, 2006, 11:11 PM
George- was that Dr. Magoo?

jane
September 10th, 2006, 12:34 PM
As several posters have noted, the "ideal" weights from health practitioners (and from Weight Watchers although that is a sound nutritional program) seem very low. Recommendations based on BMI also frequently seem too low especially for athletes. BMI calculations do not assess body fat percentage so athletes often have a higher than "ideal" BMI but are not overfat as they have a higher muscle mass than non-athletes.

There is far too much emphasis on ideal numbers. The emphasis should be on overall health and secondarily on performance.
If you follow a healthy diet with alcohol in moderation and exercise regularly, you will be healthier, live longer, and have a better quality of life than if you eat junk and never move. Proper nutrition and regular training improve performance as well.

At any weight, a person who exercises regularly is healthier than a person of the same weight who is inactive. If we would concentrate on healthy habits instead of ideal numbers, we would all be healthier and happier.

LindsayNB
September 10th, 2006, 01:05 PM
Something I've been wondering lately is whether the person who swims five tough workouts a week achieves any more health benefits than someone who swims three less intense workouts? I looked around on the internet but most of what I found seemed to deal with benefits of going from zero exercise to very moderate exercise. Are marathon runners "healthier" than 5k or 10k runners? Certainly training harder and performing better have their own rewards, I'm just wondering if anyone had seen any good treatment of the health benefits, if any, of going beyond regular moderate exercise?

42
6'1"
166-170
170?
165-175?

If I could lose 5lbs of fat and put on 5lbs of muscle I would be very happy. Have recently started going to the gym again.

dvarner
September 10th, 2006, 02:02 PM
46
M
6'-2 1/2"
225
190-195
190

Back in the early 90's when I was doing triathlons fairly regularly in the summer my weight would go down to the mid-low 180's but in the winter it would be in the low 190's and I felt that I swam faster at the higher weight. I've put on a lot of muscle mass since then but other masses as well....but am not swimming faster [yet].

To get to a better weight, I'd need to reassess my career and lay off the anxiety foods. I think stress is a real killer for me in the weight issue, even if I cut back on food volume.

Interesting thread,

DV

Allen Stark
September 10th, 2006, 06:44 PM
57
M
5'8"
161
155-160
155-160
Weight is very tricky in athletes. I am almost exactly the same height and weight as Kitajima,but more of my weight is around the middle. I don't want to lose weight,just move it.

Dominick Aielloeaver
September 10th, 2006, 09:58 PM
Age-72 Wght. 123. Hght 5-6. Very little fat. Work out in the gym, 3 times a week. Swim 3 times a week. Ilike all kinds of excerise. I eat a sensible on a diet. Do not wish to be big. D.A.

ALM
September 10th, 2006, 11:37 PM
Gulp, here goes.

Age: 45
Sex: F
Height: 5'1-1/2" (there's that all-important half-inch)
Present weight: 111-113 (BMI=20.7)
Ideal weight according to the US Gov.: 100-127 (BMI of 19-24)
"My" ideal weight range: 105-108

I got my ideal weight range from where I was at age 32. I didn't lift weights back then, but I do now.

I found an interesting BMI calculator. It is "age corrected". I played around with it and figured out that the standard BMI numbers are apparently based on 30-year-olds. When I put in my age today, it said that my "age corrected BMI" is much lower (19.2 instead of 20.7).

Here is the calculator:
Age-corrected BMI:
http://www.weight.addr.com/yourBMI.html

knelson
September 11th, 2006, 11:57 AM
Originally posted by swimmieAvsFan
after reading your post, out of curiosity, i went on to the National Institutes of Health's website to get my "official" BMI- 21.6. last time i had mine checked, by skin fold, which isn't even the most accurate way to have it measured, i was 19.3. so neither the old school height vs weight charts, or the "updated" BMI calculations take into consideration lean muscle mass.

Skin fold? Are you sure you're not confusing BMI with body fat percentage? BMI is solely based on your weight and your height with no other considerations.

BMI = weight (in kg)/ [height (in meters)]^2

DanSad
September 11th, 2006, 01:42 PM
Speaking of body fat percentage, does anyone have a scale that measures body fat? I have a Tanita brand scale but don't put too much faith in the numbers it provides. I do use it to gauge whether I'm going up or down in percentage. The reason is because it uses a very subjective option when setting the scale. You enter gender, height, and then select whether you're a non-active adult or an athlete. The funny thing is that the scale measures weight in increments of 0.5 lbs so it seems like it's an accurate machine but then there's that completely unscientific setting of non-active versus athlete. Using the same height and gender for myself but varying that option results in the non-active body fat percentage being appx double the athletic body fat percentage.

swimmieAvsFan
September 11th, 2006, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by knelson
Skin fold? Are you sure you're not confusing BMI with body fat percentage? BMI is solely based on your weight and your height with no other considerations.

BMI = weight (in kg)/ [height (in meters)]^2

yeah, my bad! i hadn't yet had my cup o' joe when i had posted that... oops! :D

BMI and body fat can be related by mathematical formulas (quite a few different ones have been developed i found). but regardless, i was just trying to express the same thing jane ended up posting, just not as successfully. basically that the numbers lie and that they're not as important as being healthy and happy with your body :)

sharkbait
September 11th, 2006, 03:11 PM
39
F
5'3
110-112
110-115
115-120 (guessing)

I think for overall health, and for my other activities (running and yoga) I'm at a good weight. However, I do open water distance swims and for those, I think some additional buoyancy, insulation, and muscle would help. I'm fine with one or two mile lake/ ocean swims where the water temperature is 70 or higher, but for the longer swims (probably with colder water) that I want to do next season, I think I'll gain five to eight pounds (about half muscle and half fat would be ideal). Hopefully the muscle will come with some weight training, but I have a fast metabolism so the challenge will be to gain a few pounds by eating healthy foods (more lean meat, fruits, veggies, and grains) rather than the junk food I devour now.

bud
September 11th, 2006, 03:47 PM
48y/o
6í2Ē
185# average weight, which seems to be my all around ideal.

I tend to be about 5# heavier than my average in winter as opposed to about 5# lighter than average in summer (when it is just too hot to eat any, or a lot of, heavy foods).

Most weight charts suggests weights for me that I find ludicrously slim.

When I graduated from HS I was 6í2Ē (same as now) and about 175#. Iíve always had a bit of a tummy, but my fly sessions seem to be working on that now. :-o

In my 20ís I was a carpenter and the same build as in HS, only a lot stronger, and burning a lot of energy. My carpenter days (which coincided with my hippie daze) were definitely the peak of my health and athletic body type life.

Now, despite a chronic and disabling health problem (psoriatic arthritis), as well as the age thingy, Iím actually probably in the best condition of my life. Were it not for the inability to really torque up my shoulders and the nagging constant fatigue brought about by my arthritis Iím sure Iíd be a much bigger contender at meets.

My personal experience (relative to my condition) with 3 mediocre vs. 5 intense workouts per week is that it does not make a real big difference on my times. But because of my joint problems it is probably not an apples to apples sort of thing (Iím a bit of a lightweight compared to what I see and hear of others my age doing in masters). I agree with the non-official consensus that 3x/wk will maintain, 4x/wk will slowly gain way, 5x/wk will show noticeable results in much less time.

I currently swim 4x/wk, 2400yd/day (or almost 5.5mi/wk). This is double the yardage I was doing several years ago, with the double amount now being mostly fly or fly kick drills. I was about the same weight then as now. Iím leaner now, and have more muscle mass (like when I was a carpenter), and my stomach is noticeably flatter now (Hail Butterfly!). I do some Yoga too, and usually go Contra Dancing every week, but other than that I lead a fairly mundane and sedentary life.

It seems there are a lot of tall people here, especially (but not limited to) the guys.

Thanks for the BMI calculator w/ age correction link... coolbeans. ;-)

This has been an interesting post. I was about to blow it off due to the subject line, but the number of replies drew me in for a peek. Body mass definitely seems to be a topic that weighs on peopleís minds.

I donít typically focus on my weight, though Iíve definitely noticed that as I get older it is more difficult to peel off. I find that eating well and exercising regularly helps me keep me looking and feeling fit. (I get plenty of attention from the ladies at the dances.) Good food is a big deal for me. If I eat crummy food I feel crummy and donít perform as well at practice. A right frame of mind is good too. Iím constantly looking for the middle ground in most everything I do. Stress is definitely baddie, and a constant struggle for me. Swimming is by far my best de-stressor.

I guess Iím lucky in that Iíve generally had a fairly high metabolism most of my life. No one ever believes me now, but when I was a kid I was called ďfatsoĒ and teased unmercifully. Always the last one picked, never got good at sports, which is one of the reasons Iíve always been a swimmer. Swimming was something I could do on my own and enjoy. I think though that bicycling or walking to school from 6th grade on is what really changed me physically. The only regular swimming I did as a kid was some laps on breaks as a lifeguard my last 3 years of HS.

mattson
September 11th, 2006, 07:55 PM
Originally posted by DanSad
Speaking of body fat percentage, does anyone have a scale that measures body fat? I have a Tanita brand scale but don't put too much faith in the numbers it provides. I do use it to gauge whether I'm going up or down in percentage. The reason is because it uses a very subjective option when setting the scale. You enter gender, height, and then select whether you're a non-active adult or an athlete. The funny thing is that the scale measures weight in increments of 0.5 lbs so it seems like it's an accurate machine but then there's that completely unscientific setting of non-active versus athlete.

I use a Tanita scale as well, and like you use it to notice changes (rather than an absolute value). The weight is probably accurate. The body fat percentage only goes to the one percent level, and they point out in the instruction manual how much body composition can change during a 24 hour period, so its not like they are trying to trick anyone on the accuracy.

Oh, the numbers...
36, 6' 5"
225 (being at 239 convinced me to start Master's swimming)
205
195 (high school weight, don't think I'll reach this again)

I'll know I'm in good shape once I start gaining weight (muscle) instead of losing it (spare tire).

Hoosier
September 12th, 2006, 05:14 PM
46
Male
6'1"
240-245 (not bad considering I was 309 last year,before gettibg serious)
223-228 according to the experts
225 (Dr. told me may wnt to up goal after last physical and he took into cosideration my muscle tone)
Keep remembering "Beer is bread, and bread is not our friend!" actually not been that hard, choclate however is another problem:)

lindsay
September 18th, 2006, 10:05 AM
age: 35
female
height: 5'7 (170 cm)
weight: 117 pounds (53 kg)
ideal weight : 127 pounds (58 kg)
ideal weight for swimming acheivements - unknown (can anybody help me here?)

I do nothing. I just like my weight.

aztimm
October 4th, 2006, 12:03 AM
I haven't looked at the forums here for weeks....found this old one:

Age: 36
Male
Height: 6'
Current: 180 (weekly range is 175 to 185)
Ideal: Maybe 170; I looked all over online, each site seems to have its own ideal, the US military would let me weigh up to 195, while most medical sites suggest I weigh 165-170
Ideal for swimming: have no idea

I also have the Tanita scale that measures body fat percentage. It seems there is an inverse ratio of my weight to body fat. When I'm toward the upper end of my weight range (185) my body fat comes in at 17%, when I'm down near 175, the body fat reads 19%.

Since I've been lifting weights (and yes, I swim mornings, weights evenings and weekends), my weight has stayed around the same. Running 2x a week has brought my average down a little. After a Sunday morning run (when swimming every day M-F, running Saturday morning, lifting Sat afternoon) my weight is 175.

lindsay
October 4th, 2006, 07:43 AM
Since I've been lifting weights (and yes, I swim mornings, weights evenings and weekends), my weight has stayed around the same. Running 2x a week has brought my average down a little. After a Sunday morning run (when swimming every day M-F, running Saturday morning, lifting Sat afternoon) my weight is 175.

And to me absolutely opposite thing is happening. For the past two or three months I have had harder workouts then ever, swimming faster, at higher effort level and doing bigger meleage. I have also been doing weight training. And the result is that I gained 4 pounds. Went up from 114 to 118.:mad:

I don't like it, because I was very happy with my previous weight. Moreover, I fear that within the net couple of months I will gain more and more and more. I tried to keep my weight at my usual level by cutting down on food. But this did not workd because I was feeling week and sleepy all day round and had no energy for workout.

For sure I am not overeating. I need just to cover my energy needs. I do not eat candies. So what is going on? Is it exercise that can make you heavier?

KaizenSwimmer
October 4th, 2006, 07:57 AM
This thread certainly has struck a chord.

55
6'-0"
190 (down from 224 three years ago and 206 one year ago)
178
178
I gained nearly 70 lbs between college and my peak weight bcz of a high carb diet, despite being physically active. I lost it by giving up dairy, reducing starch intake, loading up on fresh fruits and veggies, and swimming more regularly (4-5 days sted of 3). I've maintained it by remaining moderate on dairy and starch intake and increased swimming frequency.

My "healthy and competitive" weight goal is influenced by:
1) Compelling family history of high blood pressure and death from stroke. I'm on BP medication and wonder if I can titrate off it at a sufficiently lean weight. Also hoping it -combined with regular exercise - immunizes me against stroke.
2) Want to return to the same weight I was in during my late 20s.

As for swimming, I did my fastest swimming, at age 20, while weighing 155 lbs. That would be too low at this point, but world class distance swimmers seem to have a height/weight ratio that's not too far off what I'm aiming for.

Other considerations on height/weight:
Shorter stature tends to be a handicap in sprinting, less so in distance swimming and taller swimmers have certain advantages in long axis strokes but not in short axis strokes.

I'd discount any effect of weight loss on "buoyancy." Swimming fast - not floating - is the goal.

Elite swimmers are virtually all "athletically lean." I.E. - not buoyant, but balanced.

Being leaner conveys three advantages:
1) less form drag
2) better strength:weight ratio
3) better VO2max - as that is measured in ml of oxygen transport per kg of body weight. As the kg goes down the ratio improves, regardless of whethe more ml are transported.

Caveat Emptor: VO2max has not been demonstrated to correlate strongly with performance. Many highly successful performers have relatively unimpressive VO2max, because their economy (cost of speed) is great. Economy correlates with performance more strongly than either muscular or aerobic power.

Which should not be construed as a pass on improving one's weight.

KaizenSwimmer
October 4th, 2006, 08:00 AM
So what is going on? Is it exercise that can make you heavier?

Muscle mass weighs more than fat. Your dryland training is replacing the latter with the former. Body fat %, is more revealing than body weight.

geochuck
October 4th, 2006, 10:10 AM
I had a person sign up for classes I asked her all the same questions.

Her answer "I'll never tell".

TheGoodSmith
October 4th, 2006, 10:29 AM
Age: 44
Height" 6'4"
Current weight 185lbs
Healthy weight 185lbs
Competition weight 185lbs


John Smith

geochuck
October 4th, 2006, 10:53 AM
Leslie don't give up on sprints mighty mouse was much smaller.http://www.collectionscanada.ca/sporting-lives/05270604_e.html

ande
October 4th, 2006, 10:53 AM
go ahead, rub it in
an approximation of your height weight ratio is what I'm striving towards
I weighed around 215 at worlds and I think it would make a world of difference to lose 20 - 25 pounds while maintaining or increasing strength

time will tell, scales don't lie.

raz


Age: 44
Height" 6'4"
Current weight 185lbs
Healthy weight 185lbs
Competition weight 185lbs
John Smith

swimmieAvsFan
October 4th, 2006, 11:05 AM
Age: 45

Female

Height: 5'5'' (Way too short, regrettably for a sprinter. I wish I was as tall as Mollie. Mollie -- are you that fast backstroker from Potomac Valley?)

Weight: 122-125 (I'm guessing. No scale in my house.)

Ideal Weight: I don't care because I've been about the same since college (except when popping out kids) and I have too much muscle tone to lose weight. If I don't lift weights, my shoulders can't take the pounding. And I refuse to give up wine to be skinnier. Cross training with running firms everything up. And, ladies, fins are good for the glutes.

Competition weight: 115-125

Leslie

Leslie, sometimes being a tall female isn't all it's cracked up to be (like when i was at the Naval Academy- short millitary men have a complex when it comes to us tall ladies!) ;)
but when it comes to swimming, yeah, i totally dig being tall. most definitely helps on the long axis strokes, IMHO.
and i don't know if you can call me all that fast, but yeah, i am a 25-29 backstroker from PV (swim for Terrapin Masters). so i might be the one you're thinking of... :)

swimshark
October 4th, 2006, 12:57 PM
I'll jump in for the females.

36
F
5'7"
Around 138
For me ideal would be 125
125-130
I usually don't have any specifc way to lose weight. I have already lost a lot. I gained a lot when my thyroid died. Nothing I did worked to get it off until I started back swimming 6 years ago. Then the weight came off. Add to that having a baby 18 months ago. Luckily I lost he 25 lbs I gained withing 6 weeks. Now I'm swimming with the age group team to get more yardage in and I take a spinning class 1-2 times a week. That has helped me feel better but I'd still like to lose a few lbs. I do watch what I eat (I watch it go into my mouth! :D ) and try to cook healithy (husband's family all has heart disease. I want him to break that trend)

cantwait4bike
October 4th, 2006, 12:59 PM
58
M
5-10
now:155-158
ideal:150-155 BMI~21
season:145-148 BMI~20
No junk food, tons of water,nothing with (carb+ protien)/fat ratio less than 5, and nothing after 7:00pm.

geochuck
October 4th, 2006, 01:07 PM
Leslie - Elaine was coached by one that Terry mentions Howard Firby. Elaine Tanner was 5' tall.

KaizenSwimmer
October 4th, 2006, 01:17 PM
Elaine Tanner was 5' tall.

The "Mighty Mite"

Peter Cruise
October 4th, 2006, 03:40 PM
Elaine was a remarkable swimmer (I had a terrific crush on her), too bad the media vilified her when she brought back 'only' two silver medals from Mexico Olympics (she lost to a competitor who held both world records, yet headlines in Canada used the 'choke' word).

I'm glad to see people still bringing their stats to this thread; remember, I hope we will see posts down the road from people who change their stats or change their opinion on what their stats should be (& why).

Obviously, there is a great problem in North America with obesity (which the average master's swimmer doesn't suffer from) but I feel it could help anyone viewing these forums to get real figures from real people and their feelings about that subject. Also, this can work the other direction, as well: my daughter just informed me that 19 years old female neighbour who is a champion water skier has decided that she 'must' get well under 100lbs (she is 5'4 or 5) and is presently vomiting her way to what she feels is her ideal weight.

TheGoodSmith
October 4th, 2006, 04:14 PM
Ande,

Remember, in Masters swimming, it's not how fast you are, it's how good you look. No one cares if you can't swim fast any more........ they just want to see if you're old, bald and fat.


John Smith

geochuck
October 4th, 2006, 04:15 PM
Everyone gets villified by the press in Canada. You should have read the comments about me over the years. One - George is lazy he does not train after I had spent 6 weeks in the hospital.

Rob Nasser
October 4th, 2006, 05:26 PM
Height: 5'11"
Weight: 163lbs

Was hovering around 153 prior to shoulder implosion and complete rotator cuff rebuild in Feb '06. Still getting back to speed on water and weights with a goal to compete again in January. 3X/wk in the water and 4X/wk in weights/dryland. Hoping to increase water to 5X per week and scale down the weights as competitions become more regular. I agree totally with the "Looking good on the beach" approach. Once those times start to slip, you gotta have something else to keep you going.. And I am not talking about the once-every-five-years age group move. Just not enough.

R

TheGoodSmith
October 4th, 2006, 05:49 PM
Leslie,

In the world of Masters Swimming, there is a "Good Smith" and there is an "Evil Smith". I will let you judge for yourself which is which.

I admit I am obviously much better looking than my Evil counterpart.... :-)


John Smith

Paul Smith
October 4th, 2006, 06:38 PM
47
M
6' 6"
235
225
Whatever weight I need to be at to whip evil smith in the 50 free

Weakness(s); good wine, good beer, pizza, spicy thai/indian food....in other words its always a challenge to be at fighting weight.....but I will be again by Seattle!

KaizenSwimmer
October 5th, 2006, 06:53 PM
The height ranges of the two Smiths plus Ande - ranging from 6-3 to 6-6, all sprinters - as compared with the 5-8 height of breaststroke world champion Allen Stark (who is himself close to the stature of Kitajima and Mike Barrowman) says something about the influence of height on certain events.

However sprinters who are vertically challenged can take heart. In scy, you can minimize that disadvantage by working on the 15m you can travel underwater, where shorter swimmers give away nothing to their taller brethren.

Even before swimmers were traveling 15m underwater, Gary Schatz (5-8?) was the 2nd swimmer to break 20.0 for the 50 Free, in the same race in which Joe Bottom (6-4) was the first, at 1977 NCAAs. He also split 42+ on the final leg of Auburn's NCAA champion medley relay that year. The flyer on that relay, Don Langenmayr was also 5-8 I believe. Obviously both had sensational walls.

KaizenSwimmer
October 5th, 2006, 07:20 PM
I still like long course better because I feel like I get in a real groove with my stroke.

That makes you a real swimmer.

No one should ever be discouraged by feeling they lack certain physical advantages. We are all ultimately in a race with ourselves, using as much intelligence, determination and guile as possible to exceed whatever our previous limits have been.
And with each passing year, the less influence the physical side should have and the more influence intelligence, self-awareness and guile should have.

Mitch767
November 4th, 2006, 03:30 PM
36
M
6'1"
149
Unk
Unk

I'm a real skinny guy, but I enjoy swimming more and more ever since a back injury prevents me from running. Even a lifeguard, last week, indicated that I should gain weight. :) Anyway, I'm off to the pool. Have a pleasant day.

dorianblade
November 4th, 2006, 08:20 PM
25
M
5'10"
160
155 i guess?!

islandsox
November 4th, 2006, 09:42 PM
Well, this will probably blow a lot of people away.

Female
Age: 58 - 59
Ht: 5/7
Ideal weight according to "charts": 140-150
Weight now: 192
Olympic weight in 68: 175

I feel GREAT at 180-190. Don't swim well below 180; what can I say?
BFI: 28%

Resting heartrate in the 40's. Can swim at a heartrate of 160-180 for very long periods of time even though the "charts" say I shouldn't.

Distance swimming is all mine. I usually lose anywhere from 6 to 12 pounds per 15+ miles of distance ocean swimming.

And, I won't respond to concerns about my stats!!!

Donna

lapswimmr
November 4th, 2006, 11:09 PM
52
F
5' 9"
134
128-138
150 for English Channel attempt

I need to gain about 20 pounds I have read to have a chance at swimming the English channel . My husband says who needs to swim any English Channel. He's right. He's a runner not a swimmer. I am a swimmer not a runner. Actually I do swim a mile time to time . A half mile or there bouts is my normal work out. Really I don't know how far I can actually swim..probably 3 miles . I eat lots of veggies, salads, whole grain breads,not too much but enough meat (chicken /turkey without skin/fish/lean beef), lots of water! Our dinner table looks fancy french with the water bottles and glasses,(dinner should be relaxing) I follow Jack LaLanes advise about no white flour and sugar most6 of the time. (except at holidays)! Hey I heard somewhere Jack was going to swim the Santa Catalina channel for his birthday 26 miles across the sea!

Peter Cruise
November 5th, 2006, 12:45 PM
Donna: this is a thread where no one expresses concern about personal stats, it is here as an informational service and personal record for we swimmers who are a wonderful myriad of heights, weights, colours...

The Fortress
November 5th, 2006, 01:12 PM
Well, this will probably blow a lot of people away.


All I got to say is "you go, girl!" :groovy:

poolraat
November 5th, 2006, 03:27 PM
54
M
6' 2"
172

I took up swimming to loose weight almost 7 years ago. I lost 25# and it has stabilized at around 172 so I guess that is my "ideal" weight. When I was a runner some 20+ years ago my weight was around 150. In retrospect, that was probably too thin. During that period, I was either in really great shape, sick, or recovering from being sick. Mostly the last two.

My weight does go up to around 180 between Thanksgiving and New years. Our pool is closed during that time and I don't workout (unless you count eating big meals as a workout), just do yoga for an hour every other day. But once I get back in the water I drop back to around 172 within a few weeks.

islandsox
November 5th, 2006, 05:21 PM
Thanks Peter and Sprinter Girl,

I just get so much grief here on the island over my physical appearance I am burned out on it. There is so much more to people than appearance, but society still has problems with it. But it sure is fun to win or place 2nd or 3rd in a triathlon swim and then sit on the beach with a rum and coke and wait for all those "skinnys" to come in. I call it prairie justice.

Thanks for your encouraging words---LUV you !!!:groovy:

aqualech
November 5th, 2006, 09:06 PM
48
M
6'4"
192
186
200?

I just can't seem to get stronger from weights, swimming, and scarfing, just skinnier or not quite as skinny, and always about the same speed. Another 10 lbs of lat muscle would really come in handy. Lots of guys beat me who are quite overweight, and probably train less. But the girls who also beat me are commonly slender little things, so weight might not be the primary determining factor. FWIW I'd rather be getting passed by a skinny girl than by a fat old man, as their wake is less.

born2fly
November 6th, 2006, 11:04 AM
40 yr old
5'10
currently at 170

-last year my fighting weight in the pool was around 160, however, this year I think I have added a little more muscle. I imagine my race meet weight will be around 165.

swimmerlisa
November 6th, 2006, 02:26 PM
turn 25 this month.

5'5 and half
120 lbs
I like my weight but I'd like to add some more muscle. I would be happy at 125 - 130 if it was all muscle weight. Need to keep on my gym routine. :)

SwimStud
November 6th, 2006, 04:02 PM
37
M
5'7" (thereabouts maybe 5"8" in the morning :D )
188-190
175-177
Low enough so i have no "overhan" when i slip into my speedos! :D )

1 mile Breastroke 3x a week for now. Eating less goodstuff and drinking less beer, baileys, rum, er... etc...

idguru
December 2nd, 2006, 03:47 PM
Here's mine:
21
F
5'4"
115-118
110-114
105-109
I just recently started swimming/training everyday (been swimming for 18 years) and I can feel that my muscles are growing back and my abs too! And I am also getting my breastoker shoulders back! Guess if I continue doing this everyday then I'll probably get down to 110 in 1 month.

m2tall2
December 2nd, 2006, 04:09 PM
[QUOTE=swimmieAvsFan;62968]
25
F
5'11"
154-157
145-159 (145lbs for a 5'11" athlete is WAY too low in my opinion! i mean, at 155 i'm still pretty darn skinny!)
154-157
QUOTE]

I just thought it was intersting another female almost as tall with very similar opinions.

26
F
6'0"
168-172
145-175 (This is technically the low and High for my height but they hate it when you are on the high side so it's really 145-165.)
154-157

145lbs for a 5"11-6' athlete IS way too skinny. In high school I was between 135 & 145. Skin, bones, and muscule. Right now I'm just getting back into swimming so I've been happily loosing weight every week. I agree with swimmieAvsFan that hovering around 155 is pretty optimal. I was at that weight swimming in college and I felt much stronger than I did in High School. It is also seriously skinny still - but with boobs and a butt.
Right now I still feel like I have dead weight on me.

anita
December 2nd, 2006, 05:04 PM
40
F
5'7"
135-140
I just weighed myself this a.m. and saw that I lost 5 pounds since I've started back swimming. I need to keep eating more ice cream, shakes and cookies to keep it on. And start lifting weights again.

The Fortress
December 2nd, 2006, 05:29 PM
Shorter stature tends to be a handicap in sprinting. Elite swimmers are virtually all "athletically lean."

Aside from the "Mighty Mite" George mentioned above, I was jolly happy to read the other day that Whitney Myers was 5'5", only 3/4 of an inch taller than me. I'd still rather be as tall as Mollie or Lindsay though.

But I'm curious, how do we define "athletically lean?"

islandsox
December 2nd, 2006, 06:22 PM
Why do so many people want to be their high school size? I don't get it. It sounds more for "looks" that athletics. I guess the Hollywood thin is in thing has affected more people than I realized.

And marathon swimmers are not necessarily thin. Many are chunky. And many lean swimmers aren't fast.

I am sure that Lynne Cox would have a few words to say about this size thing. And her swims weren't all cold water.

I think a person should just be healthy and we can be healthy at different sizes. (sorry, I got irritated). There is nothing wrong with trying to better ourselves but just because "someone" says something, doesn't mean I believe it.

Stay healthy is the key here even if a few more pounds are on your frame.

Donna

KaizenSwimmer
December 2nd, 2006, 07:03 PM
I was jolly happy to read the other day that Whitney Myers was 5'5", only 3/4 of an inch taller than me. I'd still rather be as tall as Mollie or Lindsay though.

Shorter sprinters who are successful tend to compensate by being great underwater where height can actually be a disadvantage.

The Fortress
December 2nd, 2006, 08:38 PM
Shorter sprinters who are successful tend to compensate by being great underwater where height can actually be a disadvantage.

Happy to hear this! Why though?

KaizenSwimmer
December 2nd, 2006, 08:45 PM
Two reasons
1) You may have noticed how submarines are shaped - not especially long, nor sleek. Not very hydrodynamic on the surface but highly so when submerged
2) The underwater dolphin works best at high cycle rates. Tall swimmers with longer body sections to articulate can find it more difficult to match the rates achieved by shorter swimmers - think Misty Hyman vs some of the willowy 6-footers you see so often at Nationals in the LA strokes.

The Fortress
December 2nd, 2006, 08:54 PM
The underwater dolphin works best at high cycle rates.

I will now think of myself as a submarine. I think I need to focus on the "high" part of the cycle rate a bit more. Been too lazy lately.

Back on topic, I haven't lost any weight whatsoever since starting swimming. I think I've gained weight.

SolarEnergy
December 2nd, 2006, 09:13 PM
Two reasons
1) You may have noticed how submarines are shaped - not especially long, nor sleek. Not very hydrodynamic on the surface but highly so when submerged
2) The underwater dolphin works best at high cycle rates. Tall swimmers with longer body sections to articulate can find it more difficult to match the rates achieved by shorter swimmers - think Misty Hyman vs some of the willowy 6-footers you see so often at Nationals in the LA strokes. Nice observation.

Rob Nasser
December 4th, 2006, 07:13 AM
Two reasons
1) You may have noticed how submarines are shaped - not especially long, nor sleek. Not very hydrodynamic on the surface but highly so when submerged
2) The underwater dolphin works best at high cycle rates. Tall swimmers with longer body sections to articulate can find it more difficult to match the rates achieved by shorter swimmers - think Misty Hyman vs some of the willowy 6-footers you see so often at Nationals in the LA strokes.

Is there anything that doesn't work better at high cycle rates, so long as it can be done efficiently???

The biggest reason that the dolphin kick works well for those who can do it right, is that there are TWO acceleration phases in the kick. For lack of better terms, the downbeat AND the upbeat. Most will emphasize only the downbeat for acceleration, while those that do use the underwater dolphin correctly are using both upbeat and downbeat for acceleration... Not to mention an extremely tight streamline.

Shhhh... don't tell anyone though. It's a secret!

CreamPuff
December 4th, 2006, 10:21 AM
34
F
5'8"
Currently @ 134 (down from 138)
Ideal for health (I'll add in ideal for clothing) - 120-125

Ideal for swimming - 130 (weighed this @ 15 yrs old when at the jr national level); I feel the bit of extra muscle/ bulk helps tremendously in sprinting

To lose weight - swim 5 to 6 days a week @ max effort; cut out desserts and *almost* all alcohol; watch calories in vs. calories out

Larry_55
December 4th, 2006, 12:17 PM
55
M
73"
188
180-185
185
Started swimming last Aug to rehab a wrist injury I got bicycling. While all the bruises, etc healed I thought I would do it for a couple of weeks and here it is now 4 mo later and I'm still at it. Started with two laps that pretty much kicked my butt and now up to 1500 meter workouts 3-5 x wk. Used to swim for recreation when I was younger but really didn't have a efficient stroke technique. I took some lessons at the local pool and have since become a technically better swimmer. Have enjoyed reading the threads and hope to add running to my swimming routine. As for diet check out web info on gylcemic index and load. This helped( in addition to the regular swimming routine) me drop from 207# in Jan to my current 185-188 weight. Also dropped from a 36 waist to 34.

mulveling
December 4th, 2006, 05:12 PM
27
M
6'0"
172-177
170-175 (IMO)
170-175

I swam age group & high school but quit before college. Started lifting weights Junior year at college - I was 150 lbs since 10th grade and looked WAY too skinny. The weightlifting eventually got me up into the 165-180 range. Then I tapered off the weights...and didn't do much for a few years, until I started Masters swimming a year ago. I gave up masters during the summer and that was a big mistake. I'm getting back into it again. Swimming 4 days/wk tones up my body *significantly*, even after just 1 month. I don't lose weight when I swim, but it clearly converts fat to muscle and I'm thrilled with the results. I look better, feel more confident in life, and feel great about the progress I make in the water. Got a swim meet (St. Nick's in Marietta GA) coming up next week; my first competition since March.

My current plan is to keep up the swimming and eat & sleep right so that I have the energy to swim! My one health vice is that I love to drink - don't think I can give that up yet but I stick to the lite beers when I can :D

hrietz
December 4th, 2006, 08:02 PM
38
F
5'5"
Current weight 120 ish
Ideal for health 115-125
Ideal for swimming 120-125 but for running 105-110 (fortunately I don't do that much anymore)

I may be unusual but I feel like I swim better when I am a little heavier.

I eat whatever I want and don't pay attention to my diet until about a month out of a big meet. If I do feel like I need to "slim down" I do some extra running or weight lifting...

Caped Crusader
December 4th, 2006, 08:27 PM
47
M
5'10"
155-160

OK as is, I think. Upper body might be a bit too developed/toned for the ideal running/swimming physique. I do eat a lot of salads since my salad days are gone. But essentially, I swim and run so I can eat and drink. Oh, I am addicted to exercise as well. My wife says I'm in perpetual motion.