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Leonard Jansen
December 6th, 2006, 07:28 AM
Of all the master's (not open) records, which is the "best"? i.e. Which one will last the longest before it is broken?

-LBJ

Ivor
December 6th, 2006, 07:50 AM
My money would be on Tom Lane and his 100m long course record of 4:05.98.

Okay - it's not that fast, but it is in the 100-104 years age group.

It has already lasted since 1994.

aquageek
December 6th, 2006, 07:51 AM
I believe the following three will not be overturned for a long time:

1. The number of times Smith (both are one in the same) has jumped on the soap box about foreign swimmers. This record is as safe as DiMaggio's consecutive hits record.

2. The number of times Gull (formerly gull80) can post Speedo man's pix and not get sanctioned.

3. The number of times Cruise will accuse North Carolinians of being swamp bound, cousin' kissin', lard eatin' hillbillies (only 2 of those are true, btw).

Caped Crusader
December 6th, 2006, 08:40 AM
I believe the following three will not be overturned for a long time:

Now, I haven't seen that pic of you ... looking forward to it ... But this one beats NC mud-slinging any day:

The number of times the words "mindful" or "examined" swimming appear on this forum.

And, on a positive note: The number of times Gull has given free medical advice!

CreamPuff
December 6th, 2006, 09:00 AM
Angel Martino has some crazy fast records in the 30-34 age group in the 50 fr, 100 fr, 50 fly and 100 fly. And Karlyn Pipes-Neilson is close behind in the 40-44 age group and in even more events). I can't pick one example as both seem so amazingly fast (and out of my reach).

BTW, can anyone set me straight on Angel Martino's (aka Meyers) Olympic history? She was banned for 2 or 4 years in the 1988 Olympic Trials for drug use (steroid like compound) and then came back in 1992 and 1996 and earned a total of 6 Olympic medals and former world and all american record holder. But, she was clean after 1988, right? Interesting history there, if I've got it correct.

The Fortress
December 6th, 2006, 09:12 AM
It's hard to pick a single record. As to the women, I like these:

Susan von der Lippe (40-44) 1:13.3 100 breast LC
(Not sure, but wasn't this her Olympic trial cut at age 40?)

Laura Val (50-54) 2:15.1 200 fly SCY
(I guess she's not dessicated.)

Dara Torres (35-39) 25.98 50 free LC
(She just had a baby when she did this and I'm sure she'll break her
own record. But I'm not sure anyone else will get it.)

Not bothering with my own age group, 45-49, because Karlyn Pipes-Neilson will start clobbering them when she ages up.

Caped Crusader
December 6th, 2006, 09:45 AM
[quote=aquageek;69344]2. The number of times Gull (formerly gull80) can post Speedo man's pix and not get sanctioned.quote]

I saw this on the "Future of Men's Swimming Thread." Can't you get even by posting one of Gull? Or is he the guy you "smashed like a guitar" a la Gary Hall Jr.?

aquageek
December 6th, 2006, 09:59 AM
For the record, that's not a photo of me.

knelson
December 6th, 2006, 10:43 AM
How about Dennis Baker's record for the 40-44 200 fly LCM? It's a 2:05.55. That's faster than all but one of the records in any age group younger than that (30-34 record is 2:03.85 by Bobby Patten).

The Olympic Trials cut is 2:03.99 in that event, by the way. Has any swimmer over 40 ever made a Trials cut?

Ivor
December 6th, 2006, 11:27 AM
I would have thought that an awful lot of masters world records, possibly up until 35-39 age if not beyond, run the risk of being broken by a senior who still trains full-time swimmer making the odd appearance at a masters meet - a la Gary Hall Jr.

Frank Thompson
December 6th, 2006, 01:22 PM
How about Dennis Baker's record for the 40-44 200 fly LCM? It's a 2:05.55. That's faster than all but one of the records in any age group younger than that (30-34 record is 2:03.85 by Bobby Patten).

The Olympic Trials cut is 2:03.99 in that event, by the way. Has any swimmer over 40 ever made a Trials cut?

Kirk:

I believe Susan Von der Lippe is the only one currently to make an Olympic Trials cut at the age of 40. I believe she did it in the 100 meter breast with a time of 1:12.49 and what is sad about this is because the bulkheaded pool was not measured, it did not count for a USMS/World Record. I know of Dennis Baker and Paul Carter got real close to the time cuts but I believe as of now they have not made them. There was an article in Swim Magazine in 2000 about USMS swimmers making Olympic Trial cuts and swimming in Indianapolis at the meet. I remember at least 10 to 12 swimmers profiled, but none of them were over 40. There have been quite a few over 30 that have made the cuts and swam in the meet. Rocque Santos and Ron Karnaugh come to mine. Also Sandy Nelison Bell and Tracie Moll from the women come to mine.

hrietz
December 6th, 2006, 09:25 PM
Actually I put my money on two that Dara Torres set this weekend at a SCM meet in Coral Springs. She went 25.1 in the 50 and 54.95 in the 100. Those are the fastest times EVER for a female masters swimmer in any age group. Not too bad 8 months after having a baby. I'd say she's well on her way in her attempt to make the US Olympic team.

Fortress, she is unlikely to break her long course record. She would have to swim a LCM meet before the end of the year since effective Jan. 1, 2007 she will be 40 for meters meets.

knelson
December 7th, 2006, 12:25 AM
She went 25.1 in the 50 and 54.95 in the 100.

All I can say is wow.

hrietz
December 7th, 2006, 08:37 AM
All I can say is wow.

Here is the link:

www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/12941.asp

newmastersswimmer
December 7th, 2006, 11:02 AM
Here are a few more candidates for best Male Master's Record in my most humble opinion of course:

starting with my top candidate:

1) 45 - 49 agegroup 100 LCM butterfly by Paul Carter: 56.42 (converts to around 50 flat or so in scy I believe...maybe even sub 50 seconds in scy?)

2) 40 -44 agegroup 200 SCM butterly by Bill Specht: 2:02.97 (Yikes!!)

3) All 3 SCY IM records in 35 - 39 age group...all held by Ron Karnaugh:

100 IM: 50.45, 200 IM: 1:48.74, 400 IM: 3:56.76

Also throw in the LCM 200 IM record for the 35 - 39 agegroup as well ...also held by Dr. Ron Karnaugh at 2:05 something.


4) Rich Abrahams 60 - 64 year old record for the 100 SCY butterly 54.92

(I was at that meet a couple of years ago in coral springs waiting behind the blocks to swim my 100 fly in the 40-44 year old age group when I witnessed this race ....it blew my mind....I went 56.38 a few heats later .....1.5 seconds slower than Rich's time ...and I'm 20 years younger than Rich!)


5) 35 - 39 year old LCM 200 free: Vlad Pyshnenko at 1:52.84

6) 40 - 44 year old LCM 200 free: Rich Seager at 1:55.06

7) 45 - 49 year old LCM 200 fly: Dennis Baker at 2:06.94


Newmastersswimmer