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geochuck
December 14th, 2006, 11:39 AM
I can understand swimming crawl distance workouts but why swim distance backstroke, butterfly or breaststroke?

How many events are there that are over 200m for fly, breaststroke or backstroke.

To swim anything but max speed for workouts for these strokes is not worth the effort.

Butterfrog???

SwimStud
December 14th, 2006, 11:58 AM
I can understand swimming crawl distance workouts but why swim distance backstroke, butterfly or breaststroke?

How many events are there that are over 200m for fly, breaststroke or backstroke.

To swim anything but max speed for workouts for these strokes is not worth the effort.

Butterfrog???

Geochuck I am upset. :joker: I love to swim a mile of breast. I can tell you, my upperbody toned in about 3 weeks of doing this. I certainly think it helps strength in the pool because the variety of muscle that get hit.

I'm now looking to do an event on Breast and I am training for speed 2x a week and doing distance and form the other workout.

I can't crawl for a more than about 100 anyhow; breast is more natural for me. Which has some bearing on why I pick that stroke too.
:)

The Fortress
December 14th, 2006, 11:59 AM
To swim anything but max speed for workouts for these strokes is not worth the effort.
Butterfrog???

WE ARE ALL SO GLAD YOU'RE BACK! :banana: :banana: :smooch:

There was a lot of talk about butterfrog while you were away. Terry posted a butterfrog video. I think there were some other posts on that subject too; can't remember where. MMA.

I am not doing any distance workouts for any stroke. Some really smart guru told me that endurance was overrated and I should focus on quality workouts since I'm not hitting the pool enough as it is.

Peter Cruise
December 14th, 2006, 12:08 PM
Leslie- long grinding workouts of strokes you don't do, at distances not competed in by the civilized world (Aussies don't count) are an expiation of karmic sins garnered during one's twenties.

Hey, no fair putting up a picture of some hollywood starlet as your avatar!

geochuck
December 14th, 2006, 12:11 PM
Richjb Don't be upset my father would swim miles of breaststroke and sidestroke, he never swam the crawl I respected his ability to travel through the water he could beat me in a fifty untill I was 12.

He had many other attributes he was a six day bicycle rider in his younger day and was as strong as an ox.

I just think we should not waste swim times on slow swimming.

SwimStud
December 14th, 2006, 12:13 PM
Leslie- long grinding workouts of strokes you don't do, at distances not competed in by the civilized world (Aussies don't count) are an expiation of karmic sins garnered during one's twenties.

Hey, no fair putting up a picture of some hollywood starlet as your avatar!

http://www.plainenglish.co.uk/

:rofl:

The Fortress
December 14th, 2006, 12:14 PM
Leslie- long grinding workouts of strokes you don't do, at distances not competed in by the civilized world (Aussies don't count) are an expiation of karmic sins garnered during one's twenties.

Hey, no fair putting up a picture of some hollywood starlet as your avatar!

Peter:

Didn't you read my new user name? That is my sometimes nasty 12 year old "Rude Hormonal Fortress" who, as you know, shares your inexplicable passion for la breaststroke.

I have expiated my (past) karmic sins and I now focusing on non-meritricious, continent, non-specious, courtly postings. Just for today though. :rofl:

geochuck
December 14th, 2006, 12:17 PM
WE ARE ALL SO GLAD YOU'RE BACK! :banana: :banana: :smooch: .

I am happy to be back and sorry to have missed some of the exciting posts.

This is my wifes computer and was having great problems getting on but have it worked out.:applaud:

Peter Cruise
December 14th, 2006, 12:20 PM
Rich- why hang around on the 'plain' when one can climb mountains?

SwimStud
December 14th, 2006, 12:22 PM
Richjb Don't be upset my father would swim miles of breaststroke and sidestroke, he never swam the crawl I respected his ability to travel through the water he could beat me in a fifty untill I was 12.

He had many other attributes he was a six day bicycle rider in his younger day and was as strong as an ox.

I just think we should not waste swim times on slow swimming.

I hear you George. For me it was a matter of a starting point. 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, 1 mile. I had never done a measured mile in my life; although I must have during my swim club days as a kid, and just not realised it.

I could beat the crawlers on a 33yrd length doing breast, while they thrashed. I wish I still had the ability. Although when I refused to let a crawler get away from me the other day over a couple of hundred yards (after already doing 3/4 of a mile) before my cool down was a nice feeling...esp as they were intervalling. They must have thought I was being an ass.

However I tend to mix up the speeds and throw in some crawl 50's as gaspers in my mile. So not too different from a intervalled work out.

That said I am working on 200 breast so the method and goal of my workout has changed too.

I'm not really upset. Even if you were goading me I'd take it in fun.

Rich

Peter Cruise
December 14th, 2006, 12:23 PM
Leslie- Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!

SwimStud
December 14th, 2006, 12:23 PM
Rich- why hang around on the 'plain' when one can climb mountains?

The thinner atmoshpere makes me dizzy?
;)

Peter Cruise
December 14th, 2006, 12:24 PM
George- welcome back- don't we live in paradise these days?

islandsox
December 14th, 2006, 12:33 PM
George,

I sure am glad you are back; we really needed some of your comments on threads while you were gone.

I used to swim or kick an hour of backstroke. I did it because I enjoyed doing it and I could work on technique and turns for a long time. Now, there may have been no true "benefit" from it, but it was also nice to know that I could swim a mile of backstroke, not slow, not fast, medium-slow.

Hey, what about that Canadian woman who only swims open water doing butterfly? She'd need this training for sure, but it is unlikely anyone else would. I can't think of her name off-hand. She did Catalina Channel butterfly; can you imagine?

Donna

geochuck
December 14th, 2006, 04:56 PM
George- welcome back- don't we live in paradise these days?
Peter I hear we live in Paradise but I am truly in Paradise until April or May down Mexico Way.

My daughter told me of the wonderful weather back home - no thanks.

geochuck
December 14th, 2006, 05:03 PM
George,

I sure am glad you are back; we really needed some of your comments on threads while you were gone.

I used to swim or kick an hour of backstroke. I did it because I enjoyed doing it and I could work on technique and turns for a long time. Now, there may have been no true "benefit" from it, but it was also nice to know that I could swim a mile of backstroke, not slow, not fast, medium-slow.

Hey, what about that Canadian woman who only swims open water doing butterfly? She'd need this training for sure, but it is unlikely anyone else would. I can't think of her name off-hand. She did Catalina Channel butterfly; can you imagine?

Donna

I am not saying it is wrong to do these swims but it is really useless swimming when there is no event over 200m for these three strokes. Over the years I only do kicking practice on my back. I have met her several times but in fact I have a picture of a group of swimmers who do the swims but for me I never did a marathon swim that was not a race or did not have prze money.

The Fortress
December 14th, 2006, 06:17 PM
Hey, what about that Canadian woman who only swims open water doing butterfly? She'd need this training for sure, but it is unlikely anyone else would. I can't think of her name off-hand. She did Catalina Channel butterfly; can you imagine?Donna

No! I am having psychosomatic pain just contemplating it. I think it was a pyrrhic victory.

nkfrench
December 14th, 2006, 07:48 PM
I once swam 1,000 yards butterfly without hanging on the wall, no fins, no frog kick, no one-arm drilling. OK - I did have a "bit" of glide. I am not a strong flier and normally had problems dragging my arms on the recovery/stiff shoulders, and a weak kick. My muscles hurt a lot, but I had a great feeling of accomplishment. Someone watching said it looked like I could have gone forever, and I thought I HAD (20 minutes). And now I never have to do it again. :) The point of the whole swim was just so I could say to myself that I could do it.

And I think it helps pyschologically. The shorter distances just aren't so scary after knowing I can do more.

valhallan
December 14th, 2006, 08:07 PM
I can understand swimming crawl distance workouts but why swim distance backstroke, butterfly or breaststroke?



Swimming a mile of fly makes a very powerful unspoken statement. "Just because!"...(jaws drop...and that's that.)
On that note...Why would anyone want to swim across the ocean? ;)



Now swimming a mile of breastroke...I dunno. I may have to agree with your questioning on that one.

SwimStud
December 14th, 2006, 08:12 PM
Now swimming a mile of breastroke...I dunno. I may have to agree with your questioning on that one.

Hey! :p low-blow

The Fortress
December 14th, 2006, 08:14 PM
I once swam 1,000 yards butterfly without hanging on the wall, no fins, no frog kick, no one-arm drilling. OK - I did have a "bit" of glide.

NKFrench:

You are a psychological stud! What an attitude. But, unlike Vallahan, I'd probably rather go swim a mile of breaststroke with Rich.

poolraat
December 14th, 2006, 08:15 PM
I'd probably rather go swim a mile of breaststroke with Rich.

You guys can swim your breaststroke. I'll sit on deck and:drink: .

SwimStud
December 14th, 2006, 08:16 PM
You guys can swim your breaststroke. I'll sit on deck and:drink: .

Just keep one cold for me...:banana:

The Fortress
December 14th, 2006, 08:19 PM
Hey! :p low-blow


Richie-Wan-Kenobi:

I guess we both changed our avatars at the same time. I love yours. What color is that light saber though? Mine is purple and Lil Lil Fortress has green. Ki-Adi-Mu-Mom. (Lil Lil Fortress actually asked her pre-school teacher if she could be called Adi Gallia.... How embarassing...)

SwimStud
December 14th, 2006, 08:29 PM
Richie-Wan-Kenobi:

I guess we both changed our avatars at the same time. I love yours. What color is that light saber though? Mine is purple and Lil Lil Fortress has green. Ki-Adi-Mu-Mom. (Lil Lil Fortress actually asked her pre-school teacher if she could be called Adi Gallia.... How embarassing...)

Hehe Kids are so cute. I dunno that was at the shop at a Star Wars Exhibit...so I picked it up and had a photo-op.

Allen Stark
December 14th, 2006, 11:31 PM
Except for warm-up or cool down I only swim breaststroke at race pace(except for some at "swim pretty" speed to work on technique.) I want to get the muscle memory only of race pace. I think you have to do what works for you to keep you interested and challenged.

valhallan
December 15th, 2006, 02:55 PM
Hey! :p low-blow


Sorry.

After seeing Mr. Hansen swim some truly mind blowing breatsroke times...I have new found respect for this particluar stroke.

My fondness of doing it for a long distance is just not that strong. Great lung building swim though... given all the underwater work.

geochuck
December 15th, 2006, 02:59 PM
George- welcome back- don't we live in paradise these days?
Peter I just wanted everyone to see what weather we have in our Paradise. http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=nanaimo

This is the terrible weather I am putting up with in Manzanillo http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/76654.html

Caped Crusader
December 15th, 2006, 08:41 PM
I once swam 1,000 yards butterfly without hanging on the wall, no fins, no frog kick, no one-arm drilling.

And I think it helps pyschologically. The shorter distances just aren't so scary after knowing I can do more.

I think shorter distances are quite scary. I think we should all swim distance workouts. Endurance is not overrated. It is underrated! Just my :2cents: .

SolarEnergy
December 15th, 2006, 09:17 PM
I once swam 1,000 yards butterfly without hanging on the wall, no fins, no frog kick, no one-arm drilling. May I try a confession?

I remember having given few 1500 bf to some turbulent kids. No need to even raise the voice, and you're turning little bandidos into AA level specialists.

The Fortress
December 15th, 2006, 09:25 PM
May I try a confession?

I remember having given few 1500 bf to some turbulent kids. No need to even raise the voice, and you're turning little bandidos into AA level specialists.

Solar: So you're back too. Thought we had lost you.

I think you must be an overbearing swim coach to give a 1500 fly! How old were those kids you were tormenting? Can a 'little bandito" do a 1500 fly? If they have to do that, I think they should be getting AAAA times.

Frank Thompson
December 16th, 2006, 01:05 PM
Hey, what about that Canadian woman who only swims open water doing butterfly? She'd need this training for sure, but it is unlikely anyone else would. I can't think of her name off-hand. She did Catalina Channel butterfly; can you imagine?

Donna

The womens name was Vicki Keith. She is the first to ever cross all of the five Great Lakes and did them in a 2 month period. She was the first one to swim butterfly across the English Channel and has the World Record as the Greatest Distance Butterflyer (Male or Female) ever at 80.2km.

Many years ago after the 1983 Short Course Nationals I saw these two twins at the Hall of Fame a couple of days after the Nationals were over. They were boasting that they were the best flyers in the World. I had never heard of these guys and at that time the names Craigh Beardsley and Mary T Meager were considered that status. I ran into Tim McKee an ex olympian swimmer and asked if he ever heard of these guys. At the time he was a Life Guard for the City of Fort Lauderdale and he told me YES. That they recently swam 10 miles in the Atlantic Ocean off the coast there last summer and they were going to attempt to swim the English Channel all fly. These guys were pretty well known around the area.

The names of these twins were James and Jonathan di Donato. They were known as the di Donato brothers and they never swam there workouts in a pool but would prefer to swim them out in the ocean. They would sometimes swim fly for over 4 hours in the ocean. At the time this was the first I had ever heard of anybody attemping this and they said they were the first ones to break ground so to speak on these kind of endeavors. They were at the ISHOF for some press and pictures because at that time there feat was recognized in the Guiness Book of Record Setters.

I guess they failed in there attempt to swim the English Channel because I looked them up on the CSA website and did not see there names as finishers of the Channel. But they did set the World Record in the late 1980's swimming 40.6 miles of butterfly in the ocean. These guys were written up in Swim Swim magazine in the early 1980's along with Stella Taylor and as a farily new swimmer to masters I was just amazed at what these swimmers were doing. Stella Taylor set the record at 53 years old for swimming distance in a pool that has since been broken. She attempted to swim from the Bahamas to Florida but did not make it. She died in 2003 at the age of 71.

As I went to CSA page I noticed a lot of names of masters swimmers , USMS forum members and Olympians. The #'s 624, 500, 337, 346, 275, 178, 603, and 470 are very familar names you will recognize.

http://www.penguinscanfly.ca/index.cfm?page=million_dollar_marathon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicki_Keith

http://www.soloswims.com/CSA-E-F.htm#2002