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swim4life
December 25th, 2006, 04:58 PM
I just started swimming masters and this spring will be my first Nationals. It seems there are no 400 medley/free or 800 free relays at Nationals. Can someone please verify this? Does this mean that the National records for these events are set at regular "in season" meets?

Thanks in advance.
:rolleyes:

swim4life
December 25th, 2006, 08:30 PM
Also, in case someone from a USMS Committee of some sort is reading this, WHY are there no 400 or 800 relays at Nationals?

I know that there are no recognized World Records for 400 or 800 relays, but that can't be the reason for the exclusion of these relays at our National meet. After all, there are no World Records at all for the yards format, and yet we hold a SCY National Chamionship. Just curious.

Jeff Commings
December 26th, 2006, 11:16 AM
The meet's long enough as it is. Adding those relays would get us out of there at 8:00 each night. And that would mean much less beer drinking for the Smiths.

Muppet
December 27th, 2006, 11:04 AM
Anyone else notice that it won't be until 2010 that the men's 500 is not on the last day of the meet? 2005 Ft. Lauderdale had the men's 500 on the first day. That worked out great!

Oh well. Until then, me on sunday afternoon of nationals: :dedhorse:

jim clemmons
December 27th, 2006, 12:23 PM
"2005 Ft. Lauderdale had the men's 500 on the first day."

Actually, that was day 2, Friday. The 1000 and 1650 were on day 1, Thursday.

FlyQueen
December 28th, 2006, 11:46 AM
Anyone else notice that it won't be until 2010 that the men's 500 is not on the last day of the meet? 2005 Ft. Lauderdale had the men's 500 on the first day. That worked out great!

Oh well. Until then, me on sunday afternoon of nationals: :dedhorse:


Jeff, that's because it's a silly event that no one actually enjoys except for a few masochistic souls ... blech!

Muppet
December 29th, 2006, 12:32 AM
Actually, that was day 2, Friday. The 1000 and 1650 were on day 1, Thursday.

like i said, 2005 Ft. Lauderdale had the men's 500 on the first day. :p first day that matters anyways :)


Jeff, that's because it's a silly event that no one actually enjoys except for a few masochistic souls ... blech!

don't be a hater.
:banana:

FlyQueen
December 29th, 2006, 10:21 AM
Don't all distance swimmers secretly (or not so secretly) long to be sprinters but they just can't get it going that fast?

Betsy
January 1st, 2007, 06:23 AM
In Colonies Zones, all relays are offered at the Zone Championship meets. This works out well since there is better team participation at Zones than at Nationals.

swim4life
January 5th, 2007, 06:06 PM
Since there are no official 800 or 400 relays at Nationals, are there time trials offered? We would like to do our relay at a meet where we are shaved to break a record, not at Regionals.

Michael Heather
January 9th, 2007, 10:14 PM
Ok, so shave for Regionals. The 800 and 400 relays are actually relatively new additions to the Masters rule book. There were only 200s at all for a long time. We have not added the longer relays because of the added time demands (as previously stated) to an already long meet. Perhaps the championship committee will at some point consider swapping or adding relays from year to year, but that will be in the distant future, if at all.

So, if you want to set relay records in 400 or 800 relays, taper and shave for Regionals. Cheers!

Frank Thompson
January 10th, 2007, 09:58 AM
Actually there was one USMS National Championship Meet that I recall that offered the 3 relays (400 Free, 400 Medley, 800 Free). The 1997 Long Course Nationals was spread over 5 days and I believe that is the only meet in USMS Championship history to offer these relays.

http://www.usms.org/comp/lcnats97/

Gerdrick
January 10th, 2007, 11:14 AM
I am new to Masters' competitions, so, here is my question: how do relays work according to age? Is it same age groups as individual events or can it be mixed? :dunno:

MPohlmann
January 10th, 2007, 11:39 AM
The age group of a short course yards relay is determined by the age of the youngest swimmer. The others on the relay can be any age. The age groups for SCY relays are 18 and over, 25 and over, 35 and over, 45 and over, 55 and over, 65 and over, 75 and over, continuing in 10 year increments.

For Meters, both short course and long course, the age groups for relays is determined by the sum of the ages of the swimmers. The age sum must fit within the range specified: 72-99, 100-119, 120-159, 160-199, 200-239, continuing in 40 year increments.

The rules regarding Age Groups are found in Article 102.3 of the USMS Rulebook which is available online:http://www.usms.org/rules/

Hope that helps.

craiglll@yahoo.com
January 13th, 2007, 03:17 PM
Don't all distance swimmers secretly (or not so secretly) long to be sprinters but they just can't get it going that fast?

You are truly uninformed.