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chaos
January 19th, 2007, 05:46 PM
Anyone had surgery to correct a deviated septum?

How long were you out of the h2o?

Is it harder to regulate your exhalation on face-up SDK's than it was before?

CreamPuff
January 19th, 2007, 11:00 PM
Anyone had surgery to correct a deviated septum?

How long were you out of the h2o?

Is it harder to regulate your exhalation on face-up SDK's than it was before?

I had the corrective surgery for the twin sister problem - enlarged turbinates which basically creates very tiny nasal airway passages (I was always a mouth breather until this surgery that I had last year). :eek:

My surgeon almost fully removed the *enlarged turbinates.* I had to stay out of the water for 8 weeks last year. But, I was allowed to start walking for exercise (even w/ light weights) after 4 weeks. All I can say is that the surgery was completely worth it as I can breathe correctly now through my nose (on land). Finally!

I'm not sure if it's anatomical or psychological or both, but I feel I can do everything better now in the water - including holding my breath longer and performing better SDK's on front and back. No issues whatsoever in exhaling in the water. I saw a time improvement across the board in my races and during practices 5 months post the surgery (went lifetime masters bests). For a surgical procedure, it was quite painless and easy.

Do you need to undergo the surgery?

chaos
January 20th, 2007, 05:02 AM
Do you need to undergo the surgery?

Here is my situation. I've developed tons of allergies over the years, and due to a deviated septum, have narrow sinus issues. This causes blockage, and leads to frequent sinus infection. I have had good success treating the allergy part of the equation with NAET, but still even a minor cold will usually lead to infection. One ENT suggested that I treat this condition with anti-histamines and steroidal nasel spray (to be taken regularly for the rest of my life). This seems unreasonable to me (I will spare forum readers my anti-pharm rant).

Its hard to find an 8 week window...maybe September

CreamPuff
January 20th, 2007, 06:59 AM
Here is my situation. I've developed tons of allergies over the years, and due to a deviated septum, have narrow sinus issues. This causes blockage, and leads to frequent sinus infection. I have had good success treating the allergy part of the equation with NAET, but still even a minor cold will usually lead to infection. One ENT suggested that I treat this condition with anti-histamines and steroidal nasel spray (to be taken regularly for the rest of my life). This seems unreasonable to me (I will spare forum readers my anti-pharm rant).

Its hard to find an 8 week window...maybe September

Ah ha. We are similar then. I had terrible allergies since age 6 (highly allergic to dust and dust mites - they are everywhere).

My nose was always congested, I was sneezing, and I had post nasal drip all the time. Fun, I know.

I went to an allergist apecialist and from ages 9 to 18 I took antihistimines daily along with getting two shots every 1 to 2 weeks (depending on where I was at treatment). So, after 9 years of treatment, I was "cured" but left with enlarged, inflamed turbinates resulting in narrow breathing passages. As a kid, I just took the antihistimines as I was told, but now I regret it as who knows what the long term side effects are for taking a toxin (I call any drug a toxin) for so many years. Plus, I was tired on a daily basis, I feel because of the drugs.

My ENT as of recent did the turbinate reduction and post 1 year later I have no negatives to report. My surgery was last September and I was doing best times at the meet I went to in Feb. I too did not want the surgery done (due to it interrrupting my swimming and it being a general annoyance); however, I'm thrilled I did it as the results (being able to breathe and even hold my breath better?!) are far beyond my expectations. My ENT has done lots of septoplastys and reductions on many athletes and swimmers.

It's a tough choice, I know. I've never been *under the knife* for anything else. Key is to pick the right surgeon.

Allergies are tough to deal with!! Best of luck to you! If you have any other questions, please feel free to PM me. I was on pain medication for only 3 days and I had no pain. I went off it right after those 3 days.

geochuck
January 20th, 2007, 08:21 AM
My friend Mike had the operation and kept out of the water for 8 weeks. But I suggest you follow the doctors orders. He found it much easier to breathe and did not suffer from hayfever after. I would try other devices first somthing like this???? http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://members.aol.com/dds4kids/brinstruc.gif&imgrefurl=http://members.aol.com/dds4kids/brinstruc.html&h=630&w=640&sz=101&tbnid=606pCusQQTXrYM:&tbnh=135&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Ddeviated%2Bseptum&start=2&ei=oBWyRcKdJJGsgwPJtsVo&sig2=PH6WeQzWqg9DHLo7NDiSGg&sa=X&oi=images&ct=image&cd=2

ensignada
January 20th, 2007, 09:44 AM
I don't want to get on your cases too hard here, but I ask you to think twice about going on an overall anti-drug rant. Many people, myself included, take meds to live well. Some don't have a choice, or like me, the choice is between enjoying a full life or tolerating a daily existence. You might consider the meds I take toxic; I consider them as essential to my health as my daily vitamins.

chaos
January 20th, 2007, 09:59 AM
I don't want to get on your cases too hard here, but I ask you to think twice about going on an overall anti-drug rant. Many people, myself included, take meds to live well. Some don't have a choice, or like me, the choice is between enjoying a full life or tolerating a daily existence. You might consider the meds I take toxic; I consider them as essential to my health as my daily vitamins.

To keep it brief: its not the drugs, but the marketing I have issue with.
Seldane, took it for years, now its off the market (used to stock up in the U.K. where it was available over the counter)

An orthopod perscribed Celebrex (when it was new) to me for a shoulder injury. He had a floor to ceiling closet filled with samples of the stuff. I don't think anyone left that office without a sample and a scrip.......couple of years later....you know the story.

geochuck
January 20th, 2007, 10:13 AM
Celebrex the wonderful pain killer my Dr. prescribed to me that I did not take after I had palpatations after the second capsul. I have 98 left from the 100 that he prescribed a year or two ago. I love the color of these that is why I still have them they look so much like a yellow sun.

Maybe the palpatations were after seeing a pretty girl????

The Fortress
January 20th, 2007, 10:42 AM
Here is my situation. I've developed tons of allergies over the years, and due to a deviated septum, have narrow sinus issues. This causes blockage, and leads to frequent sinus infection.

This is me exactly, down to the deviated septum. Since 35 or so, I have been plagued with periodic sinus infections and allergies, which have escalated the last two years. I was utterly allergy free before the children/35+ years arrived. I am told this sometimes happens to women at my age. Not enjoying it. Swimming seems to aggravate it.

I am now getting weekly allergy shots since September. I'm not sure if they help or not yet. Whenever I get a cold, it turns into a sinus infection too. Almost inevitable. Dave, do you not ever take antibiotics?

I am very anti-surgery unfortunately. Not on principle, but because I don't see how I could manage it with my schedule. Also, over 8 weeks with no exercise? That sounds so horrible. I also am certain it would take me longer to recover than Kristina. "Recovery" time is virtually never accorded busy moms. The older you get, even if you are in good shape, the longer the recovery time and the harder it is to regain hard won fitness.

Marketing of drugs seems to have skyrocketed. It seems I can't watch TV at all (not that I do much) without seeing commericals for all sorts of drugs from sleep aids, to allergy meds, to anti-depressants, viagra, etc. Not a fan.

Barb:

I agree a little defense of the medical profession is needed here. Of course some people need to take meds to live normal and healthly lives. All drugs are not toxins. Not all doctors are scrip crazy, although I am aware of some that seem to be. I am glad they are helping you!

CreamPuff
January 20th, 2007, 11:01 AM
I don't want to get on your cases too hard here, but I ask you to think twice about going on an overall anti-drug rant. Many people, myself included, take meds to live well. Some don't have a choice, or like me, the choice is between enjoying a full life or tolerating a daily existence. You might consider the meds I take toxic; I consider them as essential to my health as my daily vitamins.

Absolutely. I agree in that drugs are necessary for many people. I'm not against RXs.

In my case, I wish I'd been given a choice other than taking drugs (such as options like a quick surgery) by my doctors when I was a youth. Would have been nice to weigh other options instead of just being presented the one band-aid option to take the drugs - which covered up the symptoms, created new side effects for me, and did not solve the anatomical issue.

By "toxic" I don't mean the anti-christ or evil or destroying the youth. I mean that you are introducing a foreign substance/ chemical into your body. Usually, things are a-okay and the body responds well.

What is interesting to me are the "unknown" factors of quite a few (not all) drugs - patients respond differently to the substance; individuals have different side effects; in some instances like with SSRIs, we don't know exactly how the drug affects other neurotransmitters or organs possibly due to the lack of long term studies.

I think part of my reason for using the word "toxin" or "toxic" is that I'm reading three books right now called Generation RX; Prozac Backlash; and Life in the Frontal Lobe! But yes! I do take drugs when necessary. Do I still think I'm putting a chemical in my body? Yep. And I do it anyway as I feel the benefit will outweigh the potential risk. But, if it's possible, I'll try and seek other options.

Advertising/ doctor/ drug company/ FDA/ NIH relationships are all other cans of worms as well. . .

chaos
January 20th, 2007, 11:07 AM
This is me exactly, down to the deviated septum. Since 35 or so, I have been plagued with periodic sinus infections and allergies, which have escalated the last two years. I was utterly allergy free before the children/35+ years arrived. I am told this sometimes happens to women at my age. Not enjoying it. Swimming seems to aggravate it.

I am now getting weekly allergy shots since September. I'm not sure if they help or not yet. Whenever I get a cold, it turns into a sinus infection too. Almost inevitable. Dave, do you not ever take antibiotics?

I am very anti-surgery unfortunately. Not on principle, but because I don't see how I could manage it with my schedule. Also, over 8 weeks with no exercise? That sounds so horrible. I also am certain it would take me longer to recover than Kristina. "Recovery" time is virtually never accorded busy moms. The older you get, even if you are in good shape, the longer the recovery time and the harder it is to regain hard won fitness.



My allergies started to develop in my late teens. I am exposed to a lot of dust and chemical off gasses daily. Chlorine is also an irritant to me.



I have had good success with NAET for allergy treatment, but still develop sinus infections with every cold. They seem to run their course with or without antibiotics (I'm allergic to penecylin sp?)


I think post-op would just condense all the down time that I typically suffer each year... anyway thats the justification.[/QUOTE]

swim4me
January 20th, 2007, 11:43 AM
I have also had sinus problems and have a deviated septum. I am also a 'mouth breather' for the most part. I can breathe through my nose, but can't always get enough air, I always sleep with my mouth open. I NEVER suffered from allergies until I moved to South Texas (I have lived all over the country), but have had them really bad here. Anyway, several years ago, my dentist, who told me about the deviated septum after routine x-rays, told me about a 'netti pot'. He said it would help my sinus infections, which were also numerous. The netti pot looks like a ceramic 'Alladin's Lamp'. This may sound gross, but I fill it with the hottest water I can stand and a pinch of kosher rock salt, lean over the sink, and pour it in one nostril, turning my head so the water pours out the other nostril. Once the water is gone, I refill it (with more salt) and do the other side. Usually, more than water comes out (the gross part), but I have not had a sinus infection since using the pot! I have since read about them while reading about Indian traditions such as Yoga. I bought mine from a holistic doctor (I did not see him, but his office sells them). I have since seen them for sale in places like natural food stores.

I used it a lot for the first few years, whenever I was congested or sneezing a lot. However, I rarely need to use it now and only use it to clean the spores out of my nose during allergy season when I am sneezing a lot, or when I begin to get congested.

Thought this may be worth a try before you have surgery and need to take 8 weeks of "down time'. :)

poolraat
January 20th, 2007, 11:54 AM
... 'netti pot'.... during allergy season when I am sneezing a lot, or when I begin to get congested.


My yoga teacher was constantly advising those of us with allergies to use the netti pot. Perhaps I should and see if it helps me to avoid the sinus infection(s) I always seem to get between November and March.

swim4me
January 20th, 2007, 11:56 AM
My yoga teacher was constantly advising those of us with allergies to use the netti pot. Perhaps I should and see if it helps me to avoid the sinus infection(s) I always seem to get between November and March.

It really works and is not a 'foreign substance' in your body. :2cents:

chaos
January 20th, 2007, 12:01 PM
The netti pot looks like a ceramic 'Alladin's Lamp'. This may sound gross, but I fill it with the hottest water I can stand and a pinch of kosher rock salt, lean over the sink, and pour it in one nostril, turning my head so the water pours out the other nostril. Once the water is gone, I refill it (with more salt) and do the other side. Usually, more than water comes out (the gross part), but I have not had a sinus infection since using the pot! Thought this may be worth a try before you have surgery and need to take 8 weeks of "down time'. :)

thanks, i've been using a netti pot fairly regulary for years. i even add a few drops of poroxide when infected.

ensignada
January 20th, 2007, 12:26 PM
Regarding drug/anit-drug disc above:

Believe me, over-prescribing or worse, prescribing without understanding the root cause of symptoms, drives me nuts. So many physicians (for a variety of reasons, I'm sure), don't consider non-pharmaceutical options. And just as at fault are patients looking for a magic bullet. And don't even get me started on non-psychiatrists who prescribe psychopharmaceuticals without considering non-drug treatments, complementary treatments or at least a decent follow-up.

My reliance is on anti-depressants. I've battled major depression for all my life. Not fun. For the past 15 years or so, I've lived a great and satisfying life (with a few nasty dips here and there). It wasn't easy getting to this place, but thanks to several wonderful therapists, a supportive family and friends and a psychiatrist with a wicked sense of humor and a keen sense of prescribing, I'm good. I do think about the future effects of these chemicals on my brain and other parts, but I have made my peace with it for now. Having walked too close to the line on whether life is too painful to live, I'm frankly more concerned about the day when these drugs are no longer effective. And to that end, I eat healthy, exercise, meditate and generally live well and hope for the best.

As far as my recurring sinus infections go, my doctor recently told me, "you don't need anti-biotics, you need to get an x-ray, see an ENT and get a nose-clip!".:)

geochuck
January 20th, 2007, 12:53 PM
Good old Dago Red in a pot, bring it to a boil then a tent over it and breathe in the fumes. My Italian friend's mother told us about this in 1944, ever after that it was red wine in the humidifier, clears everthing up.

Those old Italian treatments were the best eg if you have the runs a tablespoon of flour in a glass of gingerale.

ensignada
January 20th, 2007, 01:25 PM
Good old Dago Red in a pot, bring it to a boil then a tent over it and breathe in the fumes. My Italian friend's mother told us about this in 1944, ever after that it was red wine in the humidifier, clears everthing up.

Those old Italian treatments were the best eg if you have the runs a tablespoon of flour in a glass of gingerale.

My grandmother (Italian) swore by three medicines: red wine, blackberry brandy and gingerale. For colds, coughs, fevers etc, drinking a cup of hot red (preferably homemadde) wine would cure what ails you. For muscle strains, cramps and other musco-skeletal disorders, a shot (or 2) of blackberry brandy. Any type of gastro-intestinal disorder brought out the gingerale (altho the flour addition is a new one for me). For headaches brought on by the "evil eye" however, no cure but the "praying over the cup of water and oil" would suffice.

runner girl
January 20th, 2007, 04:22 PM
I have the allergy and deviated septum issue too. For years I struggled with sinus infections after every cold. At the time I thought it was because I wasn't swimming, but all of you now have me convinced that wasn't the issue. Anyway, I read somewhere that some doctors recommend guaifenesin. On the label it says "helps loosen phlegm (mucous) and thin bronchial secretions to make coughs more productive." That's pretty gross, but it does seem to keep the sinuses from getting impacted. I've tried both the syrup and the 12 hour time release tablets, and had good success - in other words, no sinus infections for a few years. YMMV (Your mileage may vary)

Larry_55
January 21st, 2007, 06:42 PM
Something to consider as you weigh the risks and benefits of septoplasty. Do you snore? If so you may also have some degree of obstructive sleep apnea. This may be a point to consider in your final decision. OSA is not benign and can, over time, cause a variety of medical problems that may be avoided by opting for the septoplasty. Good luck and best wishes for a successful decision.

Peter Cruise
January 21st, 2007, 08:38 PM
I am ordinarily quite open-minded about doctors, surgeries etc. However, no surgeon is ever touching my schnoz again. Period. I will not elucidate here (too much purple prose, even for me), but as and when I encounter any of you in meets, you may ask and I will tell, but be sure that you haven't eaten just before.

craiglll@yahoo.com
January 22nd, 2007, 02:01 PM
As many people know, this is my favorite topic. Today, I went to my ENT. I asked about deviated septums. there is no relation to them except the nose can get stffued up. Have you ever tried a course of prednisone? I have had polpyls removed 2 times from all four sinus cavatievties. I don't have many allergies but i do have asthma and aspirin iritation.

Anyway, somethimes the septum looks deviated when it it only irritated or swollen. I guess it is very important to make the distinction. the only way you can tell is through a MRI and seeing if drugs will keep the swelling dwon.

I have taken lots of drugs for most of my life. I don't understand peoles' hestation with taking drugs. My drugs used for allergies and nasal problems work at correcting problems with your body not stopping your body from acting naturally.

chaos
January 22nd, 2007, 04:47 PM
I have taken lots of drugs for most of my life. I don't understand peoles' hestation with taking drugs. My drugs used for allergies and nasal problems work at correcting problems with your body not stopping your body from acting naturally.

i have yet to find an effictive antihistamine that didn't make me feel a little "off".

MegSmath
January 23rd, 2007, 10:05 AM
I had septoplasty and my tonsils removed and excess throat tissue removed in March 04. I was only out of the water 2 or 3 weeks. And I swam in SC nationals in Indy the next month. I did have some sleep apnea, and that's the only reason I could get the insurance to pay for it (and it still took a 6-month argument with them to get it). It was not a lot of fun immediately afterward. Had to breathe through my mouth because my nose was packed with both cotton and splints. Breathing through your mouth when you've just had your tonsils removed does not feel good. But after about a week I quit feeling like I'd been hit by a truck, and it's been totally worth it. It has vastly improved my allergies and I sleep a lot better because I'm not waking myself up snoring every night!

craiglll@yahoo.com
January 24th, 2007, 03:03 PM
i have yet to find an effictive antihistamine that didn't make me feel a little "off".

Have you tried Allegra D? It works wonders for me. I ws really surprised because I've taken so many antihistamines. I also find that I have to remove the wrap around the pill. I sometimes crushit. I take some other pills that knock me out but I haven't found that Allegra D has any additional effect on me.

chaos
January 24th, 2007, 04:09 PM
Have you tried Allegra D? It works wonders for me. I ws really surprised because I've taken so many antihistamines. I also find that I have to remove the wrap around the pill. I sometimes crushit. I take some other pills that knock me out but I haven't found that Allegra D has any additional effect on me.

currently allegra d is my drug of choice, but still produces a slight edgyness (a word?)

craiglll@yahoo.com
January 29th, 2007, 04:27 PM
currently allegra d is my drug of choice, but still produces a slight edgyness (a word?)

I don't know, maybe I take so many drugs I don't realize that what I think is normal isn't. I take Allegra D three times a day and I don't notice it. I also, though, take enough Theophylline for a man who weighs 340lbs. I only weigh 187lbs. plus prednisone and use my nebulizer at least twice a day. :groovy:

I have been told that I'm a drug addict. If I don't get that Theo by 8:30, I'm screaming:woot: