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ande
January 29th, 2007, 05:15 PM
did anyone comment on the results from the

TOYOTA SOUTHERN CALIF. GRAND PRIX -
1/12/2007 to 1/15/2007
BELMONT PLAZA OLYMPIC POOL LONG BCH, CA

http://www.socalswim.org/HTResults/GrandPrix/

did anyone discuss the results and how natalie smoked in the

100 scy free 47.03 22.67 (24.36)

or phelps 100 free?
1 Phelps, Michael F 21 CW-MI 44.44 42.43
20.63 42.43 (21.80)
2 Crocker, Ian L 24 TXLA-ST 44.15 42.88
20.56 42.88 (22.32)
3 Lezak, Jason E 31 UN-CA 44.14 42.92
20.17 42.92 (22.75)

sandeno's 200 fly
1 Sandeno, Kaitlin S 23 CW-MI 1:58.95 1:54.74
25.86 55.10 (29.24)
1:24.58 (29.48) 1:54.74 (30.16)


brendan hanson's 200 backstroke YES backstroke

Event 8 Men 200 Yard Backstroke
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Name Age Team Prelims Finals
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=== Championship Final ===

1 Lochte, Ryan S 22 DBS-FL 1:48.43 1:40.99
22.89 47.97 (25.08)
1:14.42 (26.45) 1:40.99 (26.57)
2 Peirsol, Aaron W 23 TXLA-ST 1:46.63 1:42.02
23.73 49.34 (25.61)
1:15.40 (26.06) 1:42.02 (26.62)
3 Marshall, Peter J 24 UN-PC 1:49.19 1:46.88
24.55 52.05 (27.50)
1:20.02 (27.97) 1:46.88 (26.86)
4 Mellouli, Ous 22 TROJ-CA 1:50.86 1:47.00
25.48 52.73 (27.25)
1:20.19 (27.46) 1:47.00 (26.81)
5 Burnett, Simon A 23 FORD-AZ 1:48.70 1:49.48
24.91 52.06 (27.15)
1:20.61 (28.55) 1:49.48 (28.87)
6 Hansen, Brendan J 25 TXLA-ST 1:52.13 1:50.60
25.93 53.54 (27.61)
1:21.99 (28.45) 1:50.60 (28.61)

phelps 500 free
1 Phelps, Michael F 21 CW-MI 4:24.22 4:14.57
23.16 48.42 (25.26)
1:13.95 (25.53) 1:39.87 (25.92)
2:06.13 (26.26) 2:32.17 (26.04)
2:58.09 (25.92) 3:24.17 (26.08)
3:49.93 (25.76) 4:14.57 (24.64)

natalie's 200 free New American Record
1 Coughlin, Natalie A 24 CAL-PC 1:41.66
23.27 48.94 (25.67) 1:15.26 (26.32) 1:41.66 (26.40)


phelps excellent 400 IM

1 Phelps, Michael F 21 CW-MI 3:52.83 3:39.61
23.44 49.95 (26.51)
1:18.09 (28.14) 1:45.42 (27.33)
2:16.77 (31.35) 2:49.03 (32.26)
3:15.02 (25.99) 3:39.61 (24.59)

natalie's solid 100 fly
1 Coughlin, Natalie A 24 CAL-PC 50.82
23.69 50.82 (27.13)

ian's 100 fly
1 Crocker, Ian L 24 TXLA-ST 47.90 45.23
20.99 45.23 (24.24)

phelps 100 bk
1 Phelps, Michael F 21 CW-MI 49.50 45.90
22.82 45.90 (23.08)
notice the amazing splits

The Fortress
January 29th, 2007, 05:26 PM
Wow. Thanks for the info. Isn't that the first time Piersol has been beaten in the 200 back in many years? Couglin's times were smoking. She seems to be even better at short course than long course. I love that Brendon Hansen backstroke bit!

scyfreestyler
January 29th, 2007, 05:33 PM
Yeah, I think some people were a little bothered about Phelps being so all around. Peirsol was a little dismissive about Lochte out touching him...I realize Aaron is still faster in LC but that might change very soon, you never know. 2008 might bring a buffet of crow to a few well known athletes. Phelps and Sandeno made a great showing for Club Wolverine, although this is no surprise.

FlyQueen
January 29th, 2007, 06:10 PM
There are going to be some intense and very fast races at trials NEXT YEAR! I don't know if they count Peirsol's record as being LCM or SCY, too. He didn't do well last year at a meet and pulled out of finals ... I don't think he swims well unrested, Crocker doesn't seem to either ... though both of their times are fabulous!

For the women the IMs and breaststrokes are going to be crazy. There will certainly be an Olympian or former world record holder left off ... that's nuts!

For the men, I can't wait! I think Peirsol will be fine, he's a racer and LCM no one can touch him, at least yet. With Lenny back in the mix, it'll be great! There are definitely some spots that will go to underdogs ... so exciting!

scyfreestyler
January 29th, 2007, 06:17 PM
Aaron's a racer no doubt, but I think as close as Lochte is there is the potential for an upset..if you can call it that. No matter how fast you are, there will always be somebody to come along and show you up.

I would love to see Lenny back in the thick of it but his shoulder history is going to make that difficult for him.

FlyQueen
January 29th, 2007, 06:53 PM
I think Lenny is once again only aiming for the 100 ... but in the 200 I think Aaron will do it, I think Ryan will push him for sure, but didn't Eddie say of all the UT swimmmers right now Aaron hates to lose the most? And THAT is saying something.

scyfreestyler
January 29th, 2007, 07:21 PM
I think he did say that, but it takes more than attitude to win races at that level. I will be happy either way, I am just saying that the potential exists for things to change in that event.

ande
January 29th, 2007, 08:06 PM
I think piersol will be very hard to beat LCM
Lochte is great at SDK and in LCM you only get to SDK half as much

ande

ensignada
January 29th, 2007, 08:54 PM
or phelps 100 free?
1 Phelps, Michael F 21 CW-MI 44.44 42.43
20.63 42.43 (21.80)



Would one of you please explain the numbers after the club name? I've never looked at swim times before now and don't really know what I'm looking at.:dunno:

Thanks - Barb

aquaFeisty
January 29th, 2007, 09:14 PM
Brendan Hansen is just SOOOO cool...


even if he does do backstroke now and then :D

aquaFeisty
January 29th, 2007, 09:16 PM
Hi Barb,

The numbers (assuming I'm reading them correctly) are:

1 Phelps, Michael F 21 CW-MI 44.44 42.43
20.63 42.43 (21.80)


21 is Phelps age
CW-MI is Club Wolverine, which is in the Michigan LSC (local swim committee/club, I think??)
44.44 was his seed time, the time he used to enter the meet
42.43 was the actual time he went
and 20.63 42.43 (21.80) are his splits: he swam the first 50 of his 100 free in 20.63 and came back in 21.80... SMOKIN' FAST


Thanks, Ande for posting these. Very cool.

ensignada
January 29th, 2007, 09:21 PM
Thank you, Aquafeisty, now I get it.

scyfreestyler
January 30th, 2007, 12:11 AM
I think piersol will be very hard to beat LCM
Lochte is great at SDK and in LCM you only get to SDK half as much

ande

True, very true.

It would be nice to see a 2008 Olympic sweep by the Texas Trio in their respective events.

I do have to say however that I am gunning for both Lochte in 2008 as well as Erik Vendt. This will be an incredible comeback for Vendt if he can pull this one off. I think he is at the right club to make it happen, that is for sure. Everyday is race day there from what I understand.

Lastly, what happened to your buddy Josh Davis and his potential comeback? Is he still working on that?

FlyQueen
January 30th, 2007, 12:51 AM
I think he did say that, but it takes more than attitude to win races at that level. I will be happy either way, I am just saying that the potential exists for things to change in that event.

I've heard at that level there it's mostly mental. They are all super talented, they all train riddiculously hard so the race often goes to the mentally toughest ... what was Spitz's famous quote? Practice is 90% physical and 10% mental, races are 10% physical and 90% mental ...

Jody Henry said something similiar along the lines of at the elite level there is very little difference in the physical abilities between the athletes, they all train hard, but the biggest difference is the mental toughness ...


Anyway, I love Erik Vendt, too. What a stud!

Does anyone think Phelps will get upset in any of the events he swims? Maybe he'll be spreading himself too thin?

newmastersswimmer
January 30th, 2007, 09:40 AM
I think it will be interesting to see the Micheal Phelps vs Ryan Lochte showdown in the 200 and 400 IM's.....I guess Ryan has the best chance of upsetting Micheal in the 200 IM but who knows? I don't think there is any one else out there that can challenge Phelps in the 200 IM. I can't believe how fast Natalie swam the 200 free!! When I went 47 low in the 100 free back in the day, I was still nowhere near 1:41 in the 200 free?? If you look at the USMS records in my age group (40 - 44 year old males)...the 100 free record is 45.9 and the 200 free record is 1:43.0 ...Sure we're older and hence we die a little faster....but I still think that her 200 free time is smokin fast for someone who swims a 47 low hundred (not that her hundred time is slow or anything...LOL!!).

Newmastersswimmer

Frank Thompson
January 30th, 2007, 09:42 AM
True, very true.

Lastly, what happened to your buddy Josh Davis and his potential comeback? Is he still working on that?

Josh Davis has officially retired and he made that official in a press release about 2 months ago.

http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/lane9/news/12480.asp

FlyQueen
January 30th, 2007, 05:13 PM
I think it will be interesting to see the Micheal Phelps vs Ryan Lochte showdown in the 200 and 400 IM's.....I guess Ryan has the best chance of upsetting Micheal in the 200 IM but who knows? I don't think there is any one else out there that can challenge Phelps in the 200 IM. I can't believe how fast Natalie swam the 200 free!! When I went 47 low in the 100 free back in the day, I was still nowhere near 1:41 in the 200 free?? If you look at the USMS records in my age group (40 - 44 year old males)...the 100 free record is 45.9 and the 200 free record is 1:43.0 ...Sure we're older and hence we die a little faster....but I still think that her 200 free time is smokin fast for someone who swims a 47 low hundred (not that her hundred time is slow or anything...LOL!!).

Newmastersswimmer


Natalie is like Lochte they both have really good underwater SDK ... amazing actually ...

I'd like to see Phelps and Lochte in the 2IM and Phelps and Vendt in the 4IM ...

Frank Thompson
February 16th, 2007, 10:44 AM
Usually, Ande kicks this off but since this starts today I will kick this off. This is the last major competition before the USA team heads for Melbourne for the 2007 FINA World Championships. I will reserve my predictions and judgements on the other thread that was started about Mebourne until this meet is over. I will provide a link about the meet.

http://www.usaswimming.org/USASWeb/ViewNewsArticle.aspx?TabId=0&Alias=Rainbow&Lang=en&ItemId=1420&mid=2943