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Philip Arcuni
February 14th, 2002, 07:23 PM
is to be decided between the SW and New England, as can be seen in this article in swiminfo.com :


Hey Wayne, I wish you luck. NEM has some pretty good relays, though. What if they complain about all of the foreign swimmers (like me) at your meet?

Actually, it sounds like fun. Maybe Pacific should get involved . . .

Bert Petersen
February 14th, 2002, 09:52 PM
This is an easy one to answer-get out a map and look between S. Calif. and New Eng. The center is obviously Oregon !! :D

February 14th, 2002, 10:04 PM
If we are going to do just Cal against New England woudn't it be fun to have a West against the East meet. Something to think about maybe.

February 15th, 2002, 03:02 AM
We have to decide the meet format, as all events are not swum in all meets, including championships. Include top 10 scoring times in each event and relays that were swum in both meets.

We could invite PMS to this meet, but many of their swimmers come to SPMA and seem to swim faster here. When Tall Paul wants to swim fast he comes here. Actually he could swim fast anywhere. So it should be meet vs. meet and not LMSC vs. LMSC.

Bert, your center was 0.02 meters off, which places the center right over Long Beach, California, not Oregon.:D :cool:

When is Florida going to chime in, they have some great swimmers there for their Zone meet.

This might be a great annual "postal" meet, although no one uses postal anymore so I guess we call it an "Internet" meet.

Eventually we can square off against meets in Scotland, Australia etc for "International Internet" meets.

Wayne McCauley
South West Zone Chairman

February 15th, 2002, 02:05 PM
I inadvertently started this discussion when posting a recap of the 2001 NE SCM Championship. My claim that NE is the "center" of Masters racing was based on the fact that a very high percentage of our members race compared to the rest of the country. This point was largely bypassed in the subsequent discussions but might serve as an interesting separate thread, namely, the role of competition in growing membership in masters swimming.

Now, on to Wayne's challenge. We are waiting for Wayn'es .CL2 file and will score it as meet versus meet--using the same scoring systems as Nationals. That means that every event should count. In the interest of simplicity we'll simply treat every swimmer at the SPMA meet as a member of that team and every swimmer at the NEM meet as a member of our team.

Ed Gendreau, who also happens to be the NEM SCM Meet Director, came up with the brilliant idea of a "virtual" USMS SCM Championship based on the 2001 SCM TopTen. We've asked the powers-that-be at USMS to send us the appropriate files and are willing to "run it" and present the "results."

Meanwhile, we're gearing up for the 2002 NE SCY Championships to be held at Harvard on April 5th-7th. This is the largest regional meet east of California (700+ swimmers) and we expect another very exciting contest with lots of great swimming and more than 150 relays. All our invited. For more information, or to follow the action live via webcam go to: For more information go to: http://www.swimindex.com/meets/2002/nem-scy/

Happy Swimming

March 29th, 2002, 01:09 AM
The Pacific Masters Swimming Committee took note of the center of Masters Swimming heading to the East. Below is a copy of the resolution unanimously passed by the Pacific Masters Swimming Committee:

A Resolution by Michael Moore, Seconded by Rick Meier Winds Passing Unanimously at the Pacific Masters Swimming February monthly held February 20th, 2002 in Danville, California.

"Pacific Masters noted that in Swim Info where Bob Seltzer said "You can make a pretty good case that New England is the center of master's RACING in the US." Pacific Masters looked into its heart of hearts and found that maybe the center of Masters Racing has moved east.

"Pacific noted that Pacific could only get 325 at its short course meters championships (12 individual and two relay world records broken), New England Masters got almost 400 swimmers at its Short Course meters championships (11 individual and one relay world records broken).

"Pacific noted that Seltzer said that "NEM averages a meet participation rate that is close to 50 percent of its members, compared to the USMS National average that probably is no better than 20%." (New England Masters has 1619 Masters), Pacific could only identify 1825 individual of its 9700 members on the roster who competed in swimming events in 2001. Those 1825 members only make up 19% of its membership not even making the 20% average of the rest of the LMSCs.

"Pacific noted that it is not able to get 150 relays at a meet, as everyone has to be on the same club. (Pacific has over 100 clubs while New England has three masters clubs).

"Pacific recognizes that perhaps the torch has passed to the East congratulates New England on becoming the center of Masters racing. Thousands of Pacific Masters members look forward to traveling to the Boston/New England area to compete in a future Masters Nationals."


Phil Arcuni
March 29th, 2002, 07:46 AM
Michael, that is so gracious! What a gentlemanly way to pass the torch. And so tongue in cheek, too!

I didn't know you had it in you;)

March 23rd, 2011, 06:29 PM
What were we trash talking about almost a decade ago?

It'll be Arizona in about 5 weeks ... get your Nationals entries in soon so you don't miss out on being in the center of the Masters swimming universe.