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Josh54
May 26th, 2007, 08:33 AM
My preferred stroke is the backstroke. However I seem to have a problem: I cannot seem to do a decent underwater back dolphin off the wall. Can anybodu suggest some drills or ideas?

ande
May 27th, 2007, 10:34 AM
you're obviously not doing it right but
we'd really need to see what you're doing to correct it

I suggest you get timed in SDK for 10, 15 & 25 meters

You need to have
+ a hard fast push off
+ a tight streamline and
+ powerful dolphin kicks with perfect form

this is what your SDK's should look like
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nle3NYBX_FU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdzF0Yo-TlU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym_ks0aHkCE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMe5y5i0uzw

Ande


My preferred stroke is the backstroke. However I seem to have a problem: I cannot seem to do a decent underwater back dolphin off the wall. Can anybodu suggest some drills or ideas?

Josh54
May 28th, 2007, 03:03 AM
Thank you Ande. Well, I certainly have something to aspire to !

globuggie
May 28th, 2007, 07:59 AM
Can you dolphin kick on your stomach? If it's just a problem doing it on your back, it may mainly be a mental thing, and just practicing more may help. Try doing sets where you swim 15m dolphin kick on your front, sides and back. If you're having trouble kicking on your stomach as well, then it's a completely different problem. A lot of people here have really improved using a monofin, but there's other drills and things you also try.

bud
May 28th, 2007, 09:42 AM
...I cannot seem to do a decent underwater back dolphin off the wall. Can anybodu suggest some drills or ideas?
my Dolphin Kicks improved a lot when i started doing kick sets on my back (along the surface, without a kickboard, arms in front, body Streamlined), which pretty well imitates what is shown in the vids Ande put up. i also noticed in the vids that when the backstrokers came off the wall with SDK's their heads were very still, not undulating (as in fly). this motion is very easy to mimic with this kick drill/set, and you can breathe anytime you want, which makes it easier to concentrate on your technique. i just kept working at it until i found a rhythm and style that suited me.
hth.
i've heard lots of folks tout the benefits of practicing SDK's on your side underwater, which is easy to do coming off the wall. there has been at least one other thread on this subject, so searching the archives on SDK or "streamlined dolphin kick" may get some good results.

AnnG
May 29th, 2007, 12:14 PM
Consider using a nose plug. You will be able to keep your air while underwater on your back and avoid the nasal flush. You will be able to stay under longer. Also I count out the kicks, I am up to 10 off the start, 8 off the turns for 50-100's and six for the 200. the kicks are timed with my first armstrokes, I always do it the same way, right arm first as that is the bottom hand on my streamline (or the top hand on the front strokes). Try to think of yourself in a cylinder, long and streamlined, and don't kick bigger than the cylinder. Use a short rapid kick from your abdomen, feet together, then I try to transition into a couple of hard flutter kicks at the breakout so I don't stop kicking. I had work up to this, you might try just doing three or four kicks each turn til you are more comfortable.