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MAC swimmer
August 9th, 2007, 12:57 PM
At the risk of getting beaten up over this, I was wondering how all you 100 free experts would plan a race to beat a 40 year old with crazy strength. I am a fan of Dara Torres, but if I was kid working every day to just a get one shot at the Olympics, I would be super motivated to beat her. From a coach's perspective I would say, "Work to put that old gal back into retirement!!"

Ideas?

scyfreestyler
August 9th, 2007, 01:17 PM
It's not just about crazy strength. That's lesson number one.

Slowswim
August 9th, 2007, 01:48 PM
The best way to beat Dara? ..."is with a stick while she's asleep."
-paraphrase for "A Knights Tale"
:lmao:

SwimStud
August 9th, 2007, 01:52 PM
Never call a woman Old. Lesson number two!

ande
August 9th, 2007, 01:58 PM
That's what would motivate you, who's to say what would motivate someone else, we're all different.

You can't just plan a race to beat Dara. It has to be the entire season from now till Olympic Trials.

I believe it's going to take
54.2 - 54.6 to make the relay and
53.2 - 53.5 to make top 2.

You also need to understand what motivates specific swimmers.

The big motivating factor is to make the US olympic team.
which means
1) qualify for Olympic Trials
2) make top 16 in prelims
3) make top 8 in semis and
4) top 6 in finals

each swimmer has to develop the ability to swim the time it takes when they are rested shaved, and ready. Right now their times need to be within striking range. Someone isn't likely to drop from 58 to 54 in a year, but there may be some 56's & 55's drop to 54 and some who go 54's now might make mistakes and go 55's. Probably, who's ever in this years top 25 in the US, will be in the top 8 then top 6 next year at trials.

It's all about speed, strength, correct splitting and a fast last 25 meters.

If I were a coach I would focus on speed and strength, girls need to be at least 26.3 to their feet at the turn.




At the risk of getting beaten up over this, I was wondering how all you 100 free experts would plan a race to beat a 40 year old with crazy strength. I am a fan of Dara Torres, but if I was kid working every day to just a get one shot at the Olympics, I would be super motivated to beat her. From a coach's perspective I would say, "Work to put that old gal back into retirement!!"

Ideas?

swimshark
August 9th, 2007, 02:22 PM
For me to beat her she would have to do the 100 while I did the 50. Even then it would be a close race for this non-sprinter. :laugh2:

Alison

Shaman
August 9th, 2007, 03:05 PM
For all the girls I saw swimming against Dara I would tell them to swim LCM not SCY. There strokes are extremely inefficient compared to Dara.

rtodd
August 9th, 2007, 08:30 PM
I agree,

There has to be a switch to LCM way out from the olympics. I would think a year out. That is just a guess on my part.

It looked like Dara came up fast with single or double DK's and that was it. I didn't see her have a problem. Perhaps Coughlin will show the way with her underwater perfromance much like Phelps will at the trials.

I would assume all olympic hopefulls only swim LCM.

I think the key ingredient to getting to the olympics is coaching. Knowing how to periodize and peak. As Ande mentioned, it takes multiple good swims and one phenominal one to make the team. Dara has the experience to do that. There is alot to be said for that.

Blackbeard's Peg
August 9th, 2007, 10:47 PM
two words..

Tonya Harding:dedhorse:


Go Dara!!!

dorothyrde
August 10th, 2007, 05:44 AM
Don't asume all Olympic hopefuls have LCM pools to train in. In certain states they are not very available, even in summer anymore.

For those of us in, ahem, advanced age, think about how you did things in your late teens and early 20's, and think about now. Most of us have learned from our mistakes, do things more efficiently, and have a more internal motivation for things.

I think Dara is playing on a lot of years of experience and has figured out what works well. She also has tons of talent. But there are plenty of young ladies out there with talent, motivation and good work ethic, so it should be an interesting year.

3strokes
August 10th, 2007, 10:12 AM
Don't asume all Olympic hopefuls have LCM pools to train in. In certain states they are not very available, even in summer anymore.


If so, wouldn't it be in the interest of the Sport, for the countries' Olympic or National Organizations (US &/or others) interested in the best preparation possible for the Olympics, to facilitate and make available the opportunity to train in LCM?
Either sponsoring transportation/accomodation/etc..... or even building LCM pools at strategic points across the country.
I know that Swimming is not football/baseball/basketball but then the last two sports count for only One Gold -each- at the Games while Swimming can garner tens of medals (many of them Gold).

slknight
August 10th, 2007, 10:51 AM
Don't asume all Olympic hopefuls have LCM pools to train in. In certain states they are not very available, even in summer anymore.



This is true! There is not a single LCM pool in the entire state where I now live. If I ever become independently wealthy, I'm going to build one.:D Truthfully, there aren't even that many SCY pools.

quicksilver
August 10th, 2007, 11:18 AM
...Dara is playing on a lot of years of experience and has figured out what works well. She also has tons of talent. But there are plenty of young ladies out there with talent, motivation and good work ethic, so it should be an interesting year. Her recent performances have raised the bar in terms of giving the younger swimmers a challenge.
This in itself inspires and motivates everyone to go faster.

Should be an interesting year indeed.

FlyQueen
August 10th, 2007, 11:20 AM
Crocker made the 2000 team with no 50 meter pool in his state (Maine). Most if not all of the girls that are in contention with Dara and are legit threats will have access to LCM pools. Most if not all swimmers (including Dara) will probably swim a bunch of SCY too. That's the season we are rolling into and SCY nationals is this year which serves as trials for SCM worlds next spring. I would tend to think most if not all would be gunning for that meet for the experience.

Dara can be beaten. She is amazing on top of the water - she admits her underwaters suck. She can definitely be beaten underwater. SC gives swimmers a great chance to work on that.

GO DARA!!

FlyQueen
August 10th, 2007, 11:29 AM
Posted twice ... stupid slow computer.

Shaman
August 10th, 2007, 12:34 PM
You can still swim with a stroke suitable to LCM in SC pools, you just have to think about it.

dorothyrde
August 10th, 2007, 09:14 PM
If so, wouldn't it be in the interest of the Sport, for the countries' Olympic or National Organizations (US &/or others) interested in the best preparation possible for the Olympics, to facilitate and make available the opportunity to train in LCM?
Either sponsoring transportation/accomodation/etc..... or even building LCM pools at strategic points across the country.
I know that Swimming is not football/baseball/basketball but then the last two sports count for only One Gold -each- at the Games while Swimming can garner tens of medals (many of them Gold).

Sure it would. But in Illinois LCM pools are getting closed and replaced with water parks. Luckily Indiana seems to know that LCM pools are valuable and have plenty to drive to. Our JO's had to be held in Wisconsin a few years ago because there was not enough pool space in Illinois to host a state meet. Pools are definately not a priority.

rtodd
August 10th, 2007, 09:30 PM
I don't see how olympic hopefuls would not have access to a 50m pool. Is this true?

No wonder why we own track but struggle a bit with swimming (with the exception of the usual suspects).

newmastersswimmer
August 11th, 2007, 12:45 PM
two words..

Tonya Harding:dedhorse:


Go Dara!!!


ROTF! :rofl:

dorothyrde
August 11th, 2007, 03:26 PM
I don't see how olympic hopefuls would not have access to a 50m pool. Is this true?

No wonder why we own track but struggle a bit with swimming (with the exception of the usual suspects).


There are lots of places with no 50 meter pool to train in. So yes, it is true.

Willow
August 11th, 2007, 08:10 PM
Doy...what do LCM and SCY mean? I am new to the swimming world and still learning the lingo.

Willow

Shaman
August 11th, 2007, 08:23 PM
LCM is Long Course Meter, a 50 Meter Pool, SCY is Short Course Yards, a 25 yard pool, SCM is Short Course Meter, a 25 meter pool.

Willow
August 11th, 2007, 10:11 PM
Ah, thank you!