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renie
September 11th, 2007, 11:42 AM
I can't believe this happened to poor poor me.:violin:
Recently, I was I'm getting into the outdoor pool in my new residence. The pool has one lap lane. Just as I'm setting up, I hear someone say "oh, you live here?" (not too happily). I turn around and see an older woman standing there with more attitude than all my equipment (and I carry a lot). Long story short, she makes it very clear that this is "her time" and "her lane" and people who live there respect that. I was so shocked I gave in to this bully and let her have the lane and swam on the outside but it wasn't very pleasant. At every opportunity she tried to grill me about where I lived, why I wasn't there all summer, :blah::blah:. The primary reason I selected this development was because of the pool, and lap lane. It's already annoying that it opens later than I'm used to and she made it very clear that she would be there every day upon opening. I hate swimming later in the day - it's too hot and breaks up my whole day. I'm ready to move out already! I guess we will have to alternate use of the lap lane because I am not changing my schedule and I don't think I should have to. :dunno:

scyfreestyler
September 11th, 2007, 11:48 AM
Two people should be able to share a lane with ease. If that does not work and you want some ideas for revenge...let me know. :D

aquageek
September 11th, 2007, 11:51 AM
Oh, an apartment noodler, the most insidious of all the noodler classes, too cheap to join a gym and possessive of her lane.

Your first mistake was giving in. But, the shock of the incident and your common decency can explain that away. Don't give in again. Instead turn the tide and insist on circle swimming if she starts in again. Hold your ground, fight back. She'll probably go kicking and screaming to the complex managers who won't want a thing to do with her.

Why can't you share a lane like every other pool in the world? Ask her that.

Alternatively, when she shows up again tell her you really terribly have to pee and won't be but a few more minutes, and then stay an hour. She'll be thinking about that the whole time.

geochuck
September 11th, 2007, 12:12 PM
Fix her put a box of detergent in the pool and put a froth on the pool for her arrival. A couple of cups of powdered milk also deters people like her from swimming.

david.margrave
September 11th, 2007, 12:26 PM
Here's how I would have handled it.

"I live here and have as much business in this pool as you do. Too bad if you have a problem."

renie
September 11th, 2007, 12:27 PM
Two people should be able to share a lane with ease. If that does not work and you want some ideas for revenge...let me know. :D

The lane is narrow with ladders along the wall. She does this poor rendition of backstroke - you know the type - all over the lane.

renie
September 11th, 2007, 12:29 PM
Oh, an apartment noodler, the most insidious of all the noodler classes, too cheap to join a gym and possessive of her lane.

Alternatively, when she shows up again tell her you really terribly have to pee and won't be but a few more minutes, and then stay an hour. She'll be thinking about that the whole time.

haha, you guys are funny - it's not an apartment complex - it's actually a high end adult community. You want to get away from screaming kids jumping on your head while you're doing laps and end up with the pool queen to deal with everyday.:shakeshead:

renie
September 11th, 2007, 12:30 PM
Here's how I would have handled it.

"I live here and have as much business in this pool as you do. Too bad if you have a problem."

Yup, that's how I will deal with this one next year. :duel:

aquageek
September 11th, 2007, 12:43 PM
Yup, that's how I will deal with this one next year. :duel:

Next year? You need to go out there today and take back the pool, unless it's closed.

CreamPuff
September 11th, 2007, 12:44 PM
SO Sorry you had to deal with that.

Bully back. Smile and dive right in. That's what I'd have done.

jim clemmons
September 11th, 2007, 12:45 PM
...it's actually a high end adult community.

Like "high end" adult entertainment? Maybe try sans swimsuit. I'll bet she won't bother you.:mooning:

david.margrave
September 11th, 2007, 12:49 PM
Can you have guests? Invite your masters team over.

tjburk
September 11th, 2007, 12:53 PM
Make sure you do the majority of your workout Butterfly (Very splashy Butterfly) while you're swimming with her....she'll get the idea real quick:bolt:

SwimStud
September 11th, 2007, 12:59 PM
The lane is narrow with ladders along the wall. She does this poor rendition of backstroke - you know the type - all over the lane.

Shoot invite me down. NJ is only a short drive. I'll show her the meaning of wayward backstroke, then spashy fly timed to coordinate with my arriving 1 seconds behind her at the wall.

Stand your ground; don't be rude, just be fair. Acknowledge it's a tight lane but circling with caution around the turns will work. Just wait a full length between swimmers. Or ask the manager to widen the lane a bit more (then you can invite Geek up).

renie
September 11th, 2007, 01:16 PM
Shoot invite me down. NJ is only a short drive. I'll show her the meaning of wayward backstroke, then spashy fly timed to coordinate with my arriving 1 seconds behind her at the wall.

Stand your ground; don't be rude, just be fair. Acknowledge it's a tight lane but circling with caution around the turns will work. Just wait a full length between swimmers. Or ask the manager to widen the lane a bit more (then you can invite Geek up).


Too funny! You are officially invited for next summer to join me for a rigorous workout. Let's start out on opening day! She'll be moving in a heartbeat. I could see she is probably the community's worst nightmare.:frustrated:

geochuck
September 11th, 2007, 01:17 PM
An easy fix - eat a lot of spinich go in the pool and get sick. The spinich looks bad in the pool.

SwimStud
September 11th, 2007, 01:18 PM
Too funny! You are officially invited for next summer to join me for a rigorous workout. Let's start out on opening day! She'll be moving in a heartbeat. I could see she is probably the community's worst nightmare.:frustrated:

Watch out for the halloween decorations...I am sure she is the head of the planning committee for all celebrations...

"Oh, so you're just going to put your pumpkin there are you?"

Leonard Jansen
September 11th, 2007, 01:18 PM
1) Smile sweetly and say "Do you know if the chemical they use in the pool kills genital herpes virus?" If you absently scratch yourself "down there" while saying it, it will be even more effective. Make sure no one else hears you.

2) Give her your best blank-eyed stare and a horror movie smile (think Charles Manson here) and say "I'm not like the others - I'm your friend."

3) Say "I have a seizure condition, so if I have convulsions don't try to give me mouth-to-mouth until AFTER I stop foaming and drooling. Also, clear the mucus from my nose."

4) Similar to 1) but ask her if head lice drown while scratching you head lightly.

5) Get a BLUE permanent magic marker and color one hand with it. Show it to her, give an embarrassed smile and say "I dropped my car keys in a Porta-potty in Newark. I'm hoping the pool water will bleach this out."

6) Speak nasally and say "The best thing about swimming with a cold or bad sinus infection is the pool water flushes out your sinuses."

-LBJ

Allen Stark
September 11th, 2007, 01:22 PM
Get there before her with a friend. When she arrives politely invite her to swim circles.Smile,speak calmly and swim a set of fly.:groovy:

quicksilver
September 11th, 2007, 01:47 PM
I can't believe this happened to poor poor me....
I guess we will have to alternate use of the lap lane because I am not changing my schedule and I don't think I should have to.



Nasty people are usually bewildered when you're nice to them.
Be friendly and comment on how nice it is that there's only two of you...not more. Then hop in and keep the conversations to a minimum.


Fall is right around the corner anyway.

Got Boost
September 11th, 2007, 02:02 PM
Get in the water first, and invite her to swim with you. the more you give ground to people like that the more they take. It does not sound like there is a sign up sheet for lap time so what is she going to do.
Got Boost

renie
September 11th, 2007, 02:05 PM
Thanks to everyone for their great ideas and comments! I would love to comment to each one but don't want to risk losing my job. LOL. I feel empowered and ready to face my demons!:banana:

MAC swimmer
September 11th, 2007, 02:09 PM
Make sure you do the majority of your workout Butterfly (Very splashy Butterfly) while you're swimming with her....she'll get the idea real quick:bolt:

Yes, burk is correct. Your workouts will have to include a crazy amount of fly. The other set is a fin WITH paddles set. You will have so much speed and wake that she will be literally blown off track. :whiteflag:

ViveBene
September 11th, 2007, 03:42 PM
Hi Renie,

Be polite, but stand your ground: "It looks like there'll be two of us, then," then get in. Do your workout.

Unfortunately, it will probably be up to you to ramp down the hostilities.

Good luck,

VB

Dennis Tesch
September 11th, 2007, 06:12 PM
Renie,

I have a couple of thoughts about this situation.... First do you pay for the pool in your community fees and/or do you pay a fee to get in? If you do either way, you have every right to share a lane with this person, unless this person has paid extra to reserve the lane for themselves.

From a pool managers perspective, it is all about good lane usage and bringing a good number of patrons in to use the pool. Unless someone is paying premuim prices to swim alone (renting the lane) then this person should be required to share a lane.

Of course I agree with everyone to try and be nice and find a way to share with this horrible, spoiled, lane hog!!!! If this doesn't work, I would then talk with the pool management. If there is someone more responsible than the pool lifeguard, take some time with this person and figure out what pool policy is regarding this situation. If this fails, I would then mention to her how you and your doctor have been working really hard at finding the best way to control your bladder problem. Then make sure you push off before her!!:rofl:

Stillhere
September 12th, 2007, 08:42 AM
I like the direct approach best. Simply tell her to screw off if she makes an issue of you using "her" lane.

renie
September 12th, 2007, 09:24 AM
I like the direct approach best. Simply tell her to screw off if she makes an issue of you using "her" lane.

I like your suggestion :D

renie
September 12th, 2007, 09:26 AM
Renie,

I have a couple of thoughts about this situation.... First do you pay for the pool in your community fees and/or do you pay a fee to get in? If you do either way, you have every right to share a lane with this person, unless this person has paid extra to reserve the lane for themselves.

If this fails, I would then mention to her how you and your doctor have been working really hard at finding the best way to control your bladder problem. Then make sure you push off before her!!:rofl:

hi, Dennis, this is a community where we all pay the same association fee monthly. There are no rights to the lane, just the usual courtesy, although there is a "rule" that you can't use the lane for more than 1/2 hour! This rude pool hog swims at least an hour, but my usual workout is 1.5 hours. So we will have to alternate - my suggestion would be to alternate weeks since she obviously cannot share. If that isn't acceptable to her, then I will implement the suggestions given to me in this awesome thread!:bouncing:

Concho Pearl
September 12th, 2007, 09:38 AM
If you were in the pool first, before she arrived, then just beat her to the pool again.

If she says something just say "I'm about half way thru my workout I'll be done in "X" mins. push off and keep swimming. If she asks you again just tell her again how long you will be, push off and swim.

This way you make your point, she'll get the message, and you'll get to swim.

If she grips at you out when you're done, just tell her politely, I was just using "swimmers ediquite." This pool is kinda small to circle swim, so I figured if I should to give other swimmers a timeline of when I would be finished so at least they would know, and not be standing around waiting. Not unless you want to try to circle swim? I don't have a problems with that. We may have to watch out when we do backstroke. Oh, I gotta go see you tomorrow.

Be polite, and leave it in her court.
Good Luck,

geochuck
September 12th, 2007, 09:51 AM
You could take a lot of this advice and you could very quickly become the pool Bullie....

3strokes
September 12th, 2007, 01:31 PM
hi, Dennis, this is a community where we all pay the same association fee monthly. There are no rights to the lane, just the usual courtesy, although there is a "rule" that you can't use the lane for more than 1/2 hour!

If there is a rule that says it's 1/2 hour per swimmer for the lane, this means that someone in management (who instituted that rule) knows (a vague) something about swimming. Talk to him/her/them and show them the US USMS Masters or whatever posts contain Lane Etiquette rules.

Quite apart from the fact that that "lady" is breaking that 1/2 hour rule, show them the wisdom of having "swimmers" share lanes (even if only the one) responsibly. They can, if they wish, limit the number of "swimmers" who share the lane (depending on the dimensions of the lane) and would, thus, not even need the 1/2 hour rule.

And have them POST whatever decision is agreed upon.

Good Luck.....

N.B. If it were me, I'd jump (or dive in) after telling her that I don't see any sign that lanes are "personal" or "reserved" or "one lane per person" and that since she IS OBVIOUSLY a swimmer (she appreciates lane swimming) she obviously knows how to circle-swim as per FINA. (Don't smile too widely if she asks you, "And who is this Josefina?")

tjburk
September 12th, 2007, 02:06 PM
Cannonballs in front of her would work pretty effectively too!!!!:lmao::lmao:

onefish
September 12th, 2007, 03:06 PM
If it's a smallish pool, I've found that pulling breaststroke can set up some good waves. No kick, use a bouy, paddles help - nice, rhythymic slow strokes and you can find the ideal oscillation point for your particular water volume.

DV

inklaire
September 12th, 2007, 04:37 PM
You could take a lot of this advice and you could very quickly become the pool Bullie....

George is right, of course. The number of swimmers with attitude around here persuaded me to join a club so they'd be forced to share a lane with me.

Rob Copeland
September 12th, 2007, 05:05 PM
Can you explain again why “it wasn't very pleasant” to swim on the other side of the lane rope?

This coveted narrow lane with ladders along the wall, doesn’t sound like such a great deal to me. Personally I’d rather NOT be swimming in a wall lane.

But back to the question at hand, if you really want the wall lane and you get in it before this little old lady, if she starts to bully you, then respectfully reminder her that you were there first and she can either wait until you are done or choose another lane. If she has a problem with this, then suggest she get the pool manager (not a life guard) and the 3 of you can have a nice friendly chat.

There is no need to be abusive to abusive people and there is no reason that you should be expected to buckle to bullying tactics.

islandsox
September 12th, 2007, 05:32 PM
Well, I for one hate swimming in the lane with a ladder protruding. I envitably hit it with my arm if I am sharing the lane with someone. And butterfly is out of the question on such lane.

I firmly believe in first-come, first-serve unless there is a "sign-up" sheet for the pool lane(s), which I doubt. I seriously doubt that lane has her "name" on it; she just wants it and tries to command it. If I'm there first, I take the lane. If someone wants to try to share, I'll try to also. But if it is a narrow lane and many lap pools are, I'd tell her to come back in an hour and that I'd be happy to get out at that time. And remind her that life is full of sharing and compromises and YOU are making yours by only staying for one hour.

Donna

renie
September 12th, 2007, 05:43 PM
Can you explain again why “it wasn't very pleasant” to swim on the other side of the lane rope?

This coveted narrow lane with ladders along the wall, doesn’t sound like such a great deal to me. Personally I’d rather NOT be swimming in a wall lane.

But back to the question at hand, if you really want the wall lane and you get in it before this little old lady, if she starts to bully you, then respectfully reminder her that you were there first and she can either wait until you are done or choose another lane. If she has a problem with this, then suggest she get the pool manager (not a life guard) and the 3 of you can have a nice friendly chat.

There is no need to be abusive to abusive people and there is no reason that you should be expected to buckle to bullying tactics.

Ok, well, I didn't want to go into detail, but there was an ancient man swimming horizontally across the pool (and thus, me), another man swimming alongside me, and yet another older man swimming head on into me. :doh:Need I say more? It was very stressful. I could care less what side I'm on, but for these very reasons.

She's not a "little old lady," she's in her sixties with attitude pasted all over her. She actually is in good shape and looks darn good - if I were an older gentlemen---I'd be attracted to her until she opened her mouth. I was very accomodating to her, and she was the one who said she wasn't swimming long (and stayed for over an hour), and kept grilling me as to when I moved in, where did I live, where did I swim all summer, this is my lane, people here respect that, etc.--typical behavior of a lane hog. And she doesn't work, but she's gotta be there the second the pool opens. I mean, I understand that it's great to start off the day with your workout, but if it means so much to her, she has the whole dang day!:shakeshead:

renie
September 12th, 2007, 05:51 PM
Well, I for one hate swimming in the lane with a ladder protruding. I envitably hit it with my arm if I am sharing the lane with someone. And butterfly is out of the question on such lane.

I firmly believe in first-come, first-serve unless there is a "sign-up" sheet for the pool lane(s), which I doubt. I seriously doubt that lane has her "name" on it; she just wants it and tries to command it. If I'm there first, I take the lane. If someone wants to try to share, I'll try to also. But if it is a narrow lane and many lap pools are, I'd tell her to come back in an hour and that I'd be happy to get out at that time. And remind her that life is full of sharing and compromises and YOU are making yours by only staying for one hour.

Donna

Donna, see my explanation to Rob - I agree about the lane w/ladders, but am used to that in outdoor pools. I don't really believe in first come for a few reasons--I swim for at least 1:20 and don't want to be a lane hog. I welcome anyone who wants to share - if they don't want to share, then too bad, wait your turn. Another reason, is that it creates situations like this one: I used to deal with a very obnoxious woman who would stand at the pool gate 10 mins prior to opening, goggles in hand, cap on, (No matter how hot it was!) thinking, since she was there first, she owned the lane. She swam right down the middle of the lane as aggressively as possible. Well, after a few days of that, I just got right in the lane with her and told her we were circling. She kicked up the water and swam as obnoxiously as she could -- but oh well. She was not well liked --someone told me she had recently moved out of our development, thus she wasn't even supposed to be using our pool. We got her kicked out since she was no longer a member. :lolup:

geochuck
September 12th, 2007, 05:52 PM
May be the obsructions - ladder could be removed and placed to the other side of the pool, cost is minimal. Have the lane rope moved to make the lane large enough for circuit swimming, also minimal cost.

renie
September 12th, 2007, 05:56 PM
May be the obsructions - ladder could be removed and placed to the other side of the pool, cost is minimal. Have the lane rope moved to make the lane large enough for circuit swimming, also minimal cost.

Good idea, will do that! :banana: