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geochuck
September 27th, 2007, 12:08 PM
Here is an old one of me swimming. It was taken just after a knee replacement and I was not able to push off the the wall. That pool is 75 feet wide at that point and it took 16 seconds to cross the pool. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am_STMlt610

I have posted this before. I am open to critique. I do not like the broken wrist recovery with the left hand.

Chuckie and I will be in Mexico in 3 weeks. Chuckie and I love Mexico.

islandsox
September 27th, 2007, 12:33 PM
Well, I for one like your position in the water; your head is not underwater like many of those I am swimming with right now. Good, high elbows, do you hip rotate? I couldn't see that very well. And I didn't see any air bubbles from your hands :cheerleader:.

geochuck
September 27th, 2007, 12:49 PM
islandsox

I do not rotate the hips as much as some. I am a six beat kicker and when I swam marathons a very light six beat kicker.

Head position is my preference I like it there, the slightly higher head actually lifts the legs contrary to others belief. I also like to finish very low on the thigh with the hand. This low hand finish also lifts the legs.

I am a great believer in the fulcrum theory. The arms and head are above the fulcrum (the lungs) and the hips and legs are below. Even when the hands are at your thigh the fulcrum theory says they are above the shoulders.

islandsox
September 27th, 2007, 12:54 PM
You and I share similar views. My head is slightly higher also and I do finish the stroke at mid-thigh. This is a good thing for me being a distance swimmer, but I ain't no 6 beat kicker; never have been except on backstroke which mandated it!

Donna

poolraat
September 27th, 2007, 12:58 PM
Two of my swims at SCY Nationals last May.

50 Free http://youtube.com/watch?v=ktfV_s1-Hmo (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ktfV_s1-Hmo)

50 Fly http://youtube.com/watch?v=g60FpXgVGLQ (http://youtube.com/watch?v=g60FpXgVGLQ)

geochuck
September 27th, 2007, 01:01 PM
Just a little info on the head position. There is a swim garu who uses an endless pool when he teaches. The head must be buried very low in order to keep the legs up when you swim in an endless pool. This is caused by the flow in that pool.

SwimStud
September 27th, 2007, 01:08 PM
...do we really want to see my 50 back again? lol

geochuck
September 27th, 2007, 01:09 PM
Yes Studdley.


Two of my swims at SCY Nationals last May.

50 Free http://youtube.com/watch?v=ktfV_s1-Hmo (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ktfV_s1-Hmo)

50 Fly http://youtube.com/watch?v=g60FpXgVGLQ (http://youtube.com/watch?v=g60FpXgVGLQ)
Poolrat Is it OK for me to download these and put them into my DartSwim and analyse your swims. I don't have time now but will give a reply later. The major thing I see about the fly is your slamming the water hard on the entry.

poolraat
September 27th, 2007, 01:18 PM
Yes Studdley.


Poolrat Is it OK for me to download these and put them into my DartSwim and analyse your swims. I don't have time now but will give a reply later. The major thing I see about the fly is your slamming the water hard on the entry.


Go ahead.

Allen Stark
September 27th, 2007, 05:11 PM
Floyd,on your fly,I thought your start was shallow and you could use some SDK work. You also have relatively little body undulation and I think increasing that would speed you up.Lastly,it looked like you breathed a lot more on your fly than on your free. It also looked like a couple of those breaths you raised your head too much and that slowed you down.Good swims though:banana::banana:

pwolf66
September 27th, 2007, 05:46 PM
Two of my swims at SCY Nationals last May.

50 Free http://youtube.com/watch?v=ktfV_s1-Hmo (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ktfV_s1-Hmo)

50 Fly http://youtube.com/watch?v=g60FpXgVGLQ (http://youtube.com/watch?v=g60FpXgVGLQ)

One thing that I noticed in both videos is that on your starts you are not exploding off the block with your legs. It almost appears that you are falling forward. I would recommend that you work on using your legs to drive you off the block. Also, it looks like your start started with your legs straightening, instead of your arms pulling you forward. Think of your self using the tension in your shoulders and arms to PULL your body forward, THEN you drive your legs straight off the block.

Then again, anyone that does 100 fly is OK in my book as 200 Fly used to be (heavy emphasis on USED to) one of my favorite events.

Paul 'Why oh why, did I wait 18 years to get back in the pool' Wolf

poolraat
September 27th, 2007, 06:38 PM
Paul and Allen - Thanks for your comments. If you read my comments today on the "Total Immersion and New Swimmer" thread you'll know that my swimming is a work in progress. I'm still learning things at age 55 that most age group swimmers know by the time they're 12 or so. Any and all advice is welcome.

Tree
September 28th, 2007, 12:40 AM
looks like you place your hand and arm into the water very light. I had thought (well based on my very limited knowledge learned through web) it should be like leading the arm with the shoulder during the recovery phase, a little bit like throw the arm forward slightly. Am I wrong?
Here is an old one of me swimming. It was taken just after a knee replacement and I was not able to push off the the wall. That pool is 75 feet wide at that point and it took 16 seconds to cross the pool. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am_STMlt610

I have posted this before. I am open to critique. I do not like the broken wrist recovery with the left hand.

Chuckie and I will be in Mexico in 3 weeks. Chuckie and I love Mexico.

Tree
September 28th, 2007, 12:42 AM
I've got to say: well done. very impressive. From the video I cannot tell you are 55. looks like a very young man.
Paul and Allen - Thanks for your comments. If you read my comments today on the "Total Immersion and New Swimmer" thread you'll know that my swimming is a work in progress. I'm still learning things at age 55 that most age group swimmers know by the time they're 12 or so. Any and all advice is welcome.

geochuck
September 28th, 2007, 12:51 AM
Not all swim alike I was was never a splasher. What is good for me may not be good for everyone. I am easy out, elbows high and keep it clean
looks like you place your hand and arm into the water very light. I had thought (well based on my very limited knowledge learned through web) it should be like leading the arm with the shoulder during the recovery phase, a little bit like throw the arm forward slightly. Am I wrong?

poolraat
September 28th, 2007, 10:02 AM
I've got to say: well done. very impressive. From the video I cannot tell you are 55. looks like a very young man.

Thanks. :)

geochuck
September 28th, 2007, 01:18 PM
Poolrat I just watched the 5o fly in stromotion. Your both arms are hitting the water and dragging on the top of the water. This is not done every stroke but too many times. It is sometimes the left arm, sometimes the right arm and sometimes both arms. When your hands exit they are shooting water in the air - over finishing. They should slip out. You are dropping your elbows during the pull phase especially the left arm. Needless to say get some umph into your dive. It was a good swim and good to see you have desire the time was pretty good to..

I will send more in PM

geochuck
September 28th, 2007, 06:56 PM
Need a flip turn http://community.transitiontimes.com/kickapps/service/displayMediaPlayPage.kickAction?mediaId=30265&mediaType=VIDEO&as=3069&b=

geochuck
March 30th, 2008, 11:40 AM
Just found this video re Pan Pacific's 2006 a little of everything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48uc_dWqbWI&eurl=http://www.weshow.com/us/p/2235/pan_pacific_swimming_championships_2006

Jazz Hands
March 30th, 2008, 10:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C5K-a3vxek

Practice today, 23.4 from a push.

The Fortress
March 30th, 2008, 10:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C5K-a3vxek

Practice today, 23.4 from a push.

Wow! You looked like you were just cruising it. With more turnover, watch out! Nice kick too. Really high elbows. And no breathing! Maybe deeper off the turn? Looked like a shallow pool though ...

geochuck
March 30th, 2008, 11:03 PM
Jazz you look like superman, very strong swim.

Chris Stevenson
March 31st, 2008, 04:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C5K-a3vxek

Practice today, 23.4 from a push.

Very nice. That's really not too far from your masters PB, right? Didn't look like you were out of control, and you would get another second at least from a dive.

But it was curious that the top of the list of "related videos" was "Mr Bean goes to the swimming pool." :rofl:

At least a Popov technique video was next...

JMiller
March 31st, 2008, 01:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C5K-a3vxek

Practice today, 23.4 from a push.


Hey Brian! That was a good swim... It's good to see you're still improving.

Well done.

Jazz Hands
March 31st, 2008, 01:34 PM
Thanks for the comments, guys.

Fort, the pool is shallow at that end. I'll practice some deep-end turns today and see if there's anything I can do better.

Chris, my best time is 21.5, from Nationals last year. I went 22.2 at a meet in January. Considering that, I'm happy to be hitting 23 from a push consistently. As for Mr. Bean, I was lazy and only added one keyword to my video, "swimming."

david.margrave
March 31st, 2008, 11:19 PM
I already posted these last summer but maybe some folks haven't seen them. Hopefully I've improved since then, but haven't had much underwater filming done recently

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5366279165483467214&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4087705988698948046&hl=en

JMiller
April 1st, 2008, 01:18 PM
David,

Your underwater swimming looks pretty neat. That water is a cool color, aqua-green, or is that just the video? From what I could see you've got a firm grasp on swimming... It seems that your freestyle is a bit better than the butterfly... The timing in the fly appeared a little "off"... Not sure though, I'd have to study it more. Your freestyle appears to be very fluid... Good work.

geochuck
April 1st, 2008, 01:41 PM
David on both the fly and the crawl I see a little elbow dropping. I prefer the hand and forearm preceeding the elbow. The forearm and hand grip the water. On the fly and free your butt also is very low in the water. I love to see a butt at the surface.

I also noticed a very slight elbow dropping as your hand extends on free.

LindsayNB
April 1st, 2008, 01:50 PM
The timing in the fly appeared a little "off"... Not sure though, I'd have to study it more.

While saying up front that his fly is better than mine, I wonder if the timing you are referring to might be that his hands enter the water and then his chest goes down? Looking at Crocker or Phelps the chest goes down before the hands enter the water. Then again, they do the two-kick style of butterfly so maybe it is different than with David's one-kick style.

knelson
April 1st, 2008, 02:01 PM
While saying up front that his fly is better than mine, I wonder if the timing you are referring to might be that his hands enter the water and then his chest goes down?

I agree. Your head should enter the water before the hands, and obviously this will force your chest down too. David's head and hands go in at very close to the same time. I have a feeling I do the same thing.

Jazz Hands
April 1st, 2008, 02:19 PM
David on both the fly and the crawl I see a little elbow dropping. I prefer the hand and forearm preceeding the elbow. The forearm and hand grip the water. On the fly and free your butt also is very low in the water. I love to see a butt at the surface.

I also noticed a very slight elbow dropping as your hand extends on free.

I saw these things, too.

David, my favorite drill for high-elbow catch is a front scull, kind of like doggie paddle. Alternate dropping your forearms into the catch position from the extended position, without pulling. The first thing to move should be your wrist. Point your hand slightly downward, and let the flow of water push your hand and then your entire forearm down until it's vertical. This is fun to do with fins, to get a really strong flow. If I haven't described it well, let me know and I'll try to explain it better. Does anyone else do this drill?

As for keeping your butt up, the TI-style body position and rotation drills may be useful.

rtodd
April 1st, 2008, 08:31 PM
On your fly, you have a kick on the hand entry but none on the hand exit....which by the way should be the bigger of the two. Otherwise I think you have the skills to be a very fast flyer.

LindsayNB
April 19th, 2008, 11:23 PM
I swam this 50 fly at a meet today:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vntbvR383zM

Of the last three weeks I was sick for two and a half with an unusually nasty case of bronchitis and have only been in the pool once, which I'm hoping is the reason that I see scant evidence of the changes I've been trying to make to my stroke. Clearly the dive is embarrassing, and I need to develop a useful SDK. The time was ok but not great.

Comments would be more than welcome, thanks!

geochuck
April 19th, 2008, 11:35 PM
Work needed on the dive, are you bending the knees to much on your kick?

The arms are not entering cleanly, I would like to see the shoulders come out more on the recovery.

When your hands exit you seem to be catching water.

Was that 35/36 sec for the 50m?

pwolf66
April 20th, 2008, 07:53 AM
Streamline, streamline, streamline. You know about your start but it looks like you don't hit a tight streamline off the start or the turn. On the turn your breakout was before the flags. I recommend that you just do some streamline drills where you push off the wall and try to go as far as you can using just the momentum from the push.

Arm recovery looks a little forced. You want to have a nice relaxed recovery where your shoulders, elbows and hands settle into the water at the same time.

Nice position on your breaths. Chin forward and you're keeping your shoulders down nicely. Work on eliminating any breaths inside the flags.

Kick looks strong but I think you might be bending your knees too much, hard to see from the video.

geochuck
April 20th, 2008, 12:17 PM
I like to see a lot more undulation, starting with the hands, then the head, then the shoulders, then hips, all the way to the feet.

Get the complete body involved hands, arms, head, shoulders, body, hips, legs, feet, as shown here. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5230574091851783474&q=the+wiggles&ei=qmwLSOvgIpSC4AKAjpW4BA&hl=en

LindsayNB
April 20th, 2008, 06:35 PM
Thanks George and Paul. Definitely the feet come too far out of the water, which is both too much knee bend and not enough hip bend. I've been working on a wider softer entry but it doesn't show. I did about a dozen practice dives during warmup and thought I had fixed the bent knee entry but...

Streamlining and SDK, bad weaknesses for an aspiring flyer... :(

P.S. George: I'll work on my wiggling...

david.margrave
April 20th, 2008, 08:23 PM
Here's an excellent underwater video of butterfly, Lars Frolander

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5520577158961578964

geochuck
April 21st, 2008, 10:30 AM
I like to see the shoulder action to be a little more like Phelps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6wNjXj7zGk

LindsayNB
April 21st, 2008, 11:55 AM
Hmm. I wonder if Paul's comment that the recover seems forced is related to excessive splash on arm entry and the narrower entry position that I want - the splash is mostly sideways as the water stops the arms, with a more relaxed recovery it might be easier to stop the arms for a wider quieter entry? I know that one part of it is limited range of motion in my shoulders - in a full streamline position my arms are a little to the front instead of completely aligned with the body.

I think the truth is when I try to go fast everything falls apart. I noticed that the kick timing is somewhat variable which I think accounts for the variance in undulation from one stroke to the next. Hopefully I just reverted to old form because I was out of the water for three weeks prior to this meet. I actually swam it a second time in the meet and concentrated more on form, but I was about .7 slower. Unfortunately I didn't get that one taped as my teammates were in the heats before and after me.

If you look closely you will see that I have an asymmetric recovery, my right arm recovers relatively straight while my left arm bends. I don't know why but my left arm seems to want to recover palm down instead of palm back unless I'm really concentrating on it.

Well, I've got three weeks before Canadian nationals to work on it... :eek:

knelson
April 26th, 2008, 02:23 PM
OK, I finally uploaded something to YouTube. This is about a 35 second segment from the middle of my 500 free a couple weeks back. I figured the middle of the race would accentuate my stroke flaws the most. Anyway, the quality isn't great, but hopefully good enough to make out something. This is my first try uploading to YouTube.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=H3vL35VguNw

I went 5:00.88 in this race. I'm looking to be well under 5:00 next weekend in Austin!

geochuck
April 26th, 2008, 03:54 PM
Kirk very nice swim.

LindsayNB
April 26th, 2008, 04:07 PM
As you are swimming from left to right, after the camera zooms in a little it looks like you are lifting your head as though to look forward before each breath. It might not be a flaw at all but it seems to detract from the smoothness of your stroke, possibly eating a little energy. Or maybe not. Just something to think about and maybe experiment with sometime. Given how fast you are I don't know what likelihood there is of anyone spotting a major stroke flaw from this sort of footage. You need to have glaring stroke faults like mine for people to immediately spot them in above-water video!

knelson
April 26th, 2008, 04:21 PM
I agree Lindsay. I've noticed the same thing about lifting my head. I don't feel it while I'm swimming, but it's pretty evident in the video.

Really, the entire way I breathe doesn't look as smooth as it could be. If it looks like I'm wasting energy and not efficient, odds are I problem could improve.

ourswimmer
April 26th, 2008, 07:56 PM
You sure do lift your head. My coach says that I do the same thing, like I'm sighting in an OW race. (Hey, coach: Do you mean that I look like Kirk here?) Maybe concentrate on keeping one eye under water when you breathe?

Also you lift your head out of the turns (another thing I hear myself, and which is hard not to do when you practice in a crowded pool). You would get out farther past the flags without any more effort or less air if you kept your ears right between your arms until that first pull.

geochuck
April 26th, 2008, 11:38 PM
The head lift is okay with me but like it slightly lower. Your butt is up nice and high and the legs seem to be in good position also.

I don't think you are finishing the stroke well. It seems you should carry the finish a little farther down to the high thigh. It seems you are exiting right at your hip.

When your hands exit you are taking a lot of water with you. Your left hand to me seems to be slamming into the water on the entry. I like a clean entry and clean exits.

I like a little more shoulder roll which will give you a higher elbow.

Yes the head position after you turn does not make streamline. May I add the swim was generally good

knelson
April 26th, 2008, 11:46 PM
Thanks for the comments George.

LindsayNB
June 6th, 2008, 01:36 PM
At the end of practice last night we did 25m walk backs from the blocks and the coach took video. I clipped out my swims. The first fly swim isn't very good because we didn't do any fly in the workout and my goggles filled up which threw me off, I think the second one is a bit better. By the third fly I was getting a little tired.

The "dives" (really falls) are still pathetic and no underwater sdk to speak of but I think my stroke has improved. In particular the recovery doesn't look as forced as in the last video.

Comments?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ExzQHTuk8TI

the quality comes out awful on youtube, the new youtube player doesn't seem to have the "show at actual resolution" feature anymore. I clipped out a couple of the swims and encoded them with QuickTime for better quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf-wuF5QmHI

Edit:
Here's what it looked like at a meet in April:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ofa01wJZ678

Here's what it looked like in practice in January:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XoUZKix9CIU

mctrusty
June 6th, 2008, 02:47 PM
At the end of practice last night we did 25m walk backs from the blocks and the coach took video. I clipped out my swims. The first fly swim isn't very good because we didn't do any fly in the workout and my goggles filled up which threw me off, I think the second one is a bit better. By the third fly I was getting a little tired.

The "dives" (really falls) are still pathetic and no underwater sdk to speak of but I think my stroke has improved. In particular the recovery doesn't look as forced as in the last video.

Comments?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ExzQHTuk8TI

the quality comes out awful on youtube, the new youtube player doesn't seem to have the "show at actual resolution" feature anymore. I clipped out a couple of the swims and encoded them with QuickTime for better quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf-wuF5QmHI

Hard to tell exactly without seeing what it looks like underwater, but it looks to me like you're getting slightly vertical and pushing more water than you want to be. I think a big part of it is your knees. Try to keep those knees from dropping and bending on your kick.

Your recovery looks smoother than the first video. That's good.

LindsayNB
June 6th, 2008, 10:09 PM
Thanks Mike. As I rewatch I can see that in the final fly segment the recovery is looking a little more forced again, probably a combination of fatigue and that Donna was beating me and I was trying to speed up!

When I get back from vacation I'll try to get some underwater video to see what is happening with the knees. Tomorrow I leave this year's SwimTrek adventure so may not be back to the boards regularly for a couple weeks. Comments are still very welcome but I may be slow to respond!

the17thman
June 7th, 2008, 06:29 PM
My 200 Butterfly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADhEZ9dgAr4

Allen Stark
June 7th, 2008, 09:04 PM
Your cameraman commented on it for your last turn,but none of your turns were crisp.I couldn't see well enough to be sure why,but I noticed your head is coming up too much on your turns.I know you need air,but you don't need to lift your head to get it.Are you grabbing the gutters? If so,don't! Instead push away from the gutter as you bring your other elbow rapidly back.

Spock
June 7th, 2008, 09:24 PM
100 fly (http://swimming.flocasts.org/videos/coverage/view_video/258/14438) from USMS Nats Austin ... Lane 6, with tattoos

Please stop watching around 80-85 yards. You have been warned.

quicksilver
June 7th, 2008, 09:43 PM
Duuude.That was fun to watch though.
Rigor mortis kicked in right after that 3rd turn.

Great job.You have some serious speed.

"Go out hard and die like a man" was my favorite sprinting strategy, even if it's painful.

CreamPuff
June 7th, 2008, 10:06 PM
Duuude.That was fun to watch though.
Rigor mortis kicked in right after that 3rd turn.

Great job.You have some serious speed.

"Go out hard and die like a man" was my favorite sprinting strategy, even if it's painful.

Spock, beautiful swim. You held on.

Quicksilver, LOVE that quote. It's even more manly when you apply that quote to distance strategy. :weightlifter::weightlifter:

knelson
June 7th, 2008, 11:19 PM
Spock, your start is sensational. You blew away everyone on the start.

Yeah, the last 25 looked a little brutal. Still a very nice swim!

Allen Stark
June 8th, 2008, 12:45 AM
100 fly (http://swimming.flocasts.org/videos/coverage/view_video/258/14438) from USMS Nats Austin ... Lane 6, with tattoos

Please stop watching around 80-85 yards. You have been warned.

It was a great swim for 85 yd,but it seemed you mistimed turns 2&3 (which I have done all too often) and then at the end(when I know you were exhausted) you lifted your head up just as you touched(ouch).It probably cost you 0.1-0.2sec.

JMiller
June 8th, 2008, 12:54 AM
So I finally have my video on FLOSWIMMING here it is
100 free SCM
http://forums.usms.org/showpost.php?p=136165&postcount=162

51.6 scm converts to 46.02 scy
Comments are welcomed...
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Spock,
That's a great swim, tough race... you could benefit from my dry-land routine...
http://forums.usms.org/showthread.php?t=9092&page=2

100 fly (http://swimming.flocasts.org/videos/coverage/view_video/258/14438) from USMS Nats Austin ... Lane 6, with tattoos
Please stop watching around 80-85 yards. You have been warned.

quicksilver
June 8th, 2008, 07:02 AM
Spock, beautiful swim. You held on.

Quicksilver, LOVE that quote. It's even more manly when you apply that quote to distance strategy. :weightlifter::weightlifter:

You mean...even more (s)he-manly. :roids:
On a distance race, I dunno how good a plan that would be...to suffer for more than 15 or 20 yards.
It's like sloshing through concrete. On a 200, it's not too pretty. On a 500, get the stretcher.

And JMiller, that was some really strong swimming. Old school start too.
Very nice splits. You came home like a freight train.

Two thumbs up.

geochuck
June 8th, 2008, 03:21 PM
Not only a great swim but some really good tatoos. Brush up on your turns for sure. I would also work on your breathing sequences. Your right foot was not linened up correctly for the dive, I prefer the outside of both foot to be lined up staight, toes slightly pointed in. This will give you more power on the dive

100 fly (http://swimming.flocasts.org/videos/coverage/view_video/258/14438) from USMS Nats Austin ... Lane 6, with tattoos

Please stop watching around 80-85 yards. You have been warned.

Spock
June 8th, 2008, 04:39 PM
Spock,
That's a great swim, tough race... you could benefit from my dry-land routine...
http://forums.usms.org/showthread.php?t=9092&page=2

Will try it out, thanks.

Thanks all for the comments & suggestions ... and for not getting on me too hard about the finish! ;)

Spock
June 8th, 2008, 04:42 PM
It was a great swim for 85 yd,but it seemed you mistimed turns 2&3 (which I have done all too often) and then at the end(when I know you were exhausted) you lifted your head up just as you touched(ouch).It probably cost you 0.1-0.2sec.

Allen, what would you suggest about the turns? Thanks.

Allen Stark
June 8th, 2008, 05:40 PM
Turn 2,I think if you had stretched your last 2 strokes a little you could have hit the wall on stroke.Turn 3 I am not sure what happened,did you hit the wall with your hands a little low?The timing in seemed OK but somehow it looked to me like there was a hesitation.The finish,once you see you are a little short,keep your head DOWN and dolphin like crazy.
I loved your stroke,smooth and strong.You really kicked butt.

JMiller
June 9th, 2008, 12:46 AM
Kip,

I checked out your web page... that's impressive... You're a professer, and a film-maker, etc. etc. Congrats...

How did you end up in that field of work?


Will try it out, thanks.

Thanks all for the comments & suggestions ... and for not getting on me too hard about the finish! ;)

Spock
June 9th, 2008, 12:54 PM
Kip,

I checked out your web page... that's impressive... You're a professer, and a film-maker, etc. etc. Congrats...

How did you end up in that field of work?

Thanks Jonathan! I guess, like anything, you just kind of fall into it as life goes. I started UCLA as a pre-med ... ended up at UCSD as an art major and just went from there.

Hard to do films now as the millenials are light years ahead of us Gen-X'ers in terms of technical/editing sophistication ... youtube, etc. So I went to making photo books like this (http://www.kenphillipsgroup.com/Phillips/kip.htm) that came out this past April.

JMiller
June 10th, 2008, 01:07 AM
That's pretty neat... Thanks for sharing...


Thanks Jonathan! I guess, like anything, you just kind of fall into it as life goes. I started UCLA as a pre-med ... ended up at UCSD as an art major and just went from there.

Hard to do films now as the millenials are light years ahead of us Gen-X'ers in terms of technical/editing sophistication ... youtube, etc. So I went to making photo books like this (http://www.kenphillipsgroup.com/Phillips/kip.htm) that came out this past April.