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CreamPuff
October 10th, 2007, 02:17 PM
Hi all,

Wanted to ask your advice on what to do or where to seek treatment for a sharp, constant pain on the left side of my neck. This pain started around October 5 and at first could be controlled by Advil.

I believe that the pain was caused by my visit (first time ever) to a chiropractor. I went to 3 sessions. On the last session on Sept 26, I had a headache after treatment and then 5 days later experienced the sharp constant pain on the left side of my neck.

I attempted to swim through the pain and just take Advil. However, one week later, the pain is so intense that I now cannot swim at all. As of yesterday, my shoulder and left arm are numb. It hurts to inhale deeply on land or in the water.

I've alerted the chiropractor (although I will not go in for another session!) and am making an appointment with my general doctor. Advil, Tylenol and Aleve no longer work.

Do you guys have other recommendations like:
See a Physical Therapist
Get deep tissue massages
Apply heat and/ or cold
Get X Ray
CAT Scan
Something else?

Sux to not swim! :cry: Any advice is greatly appreciated!

scyfreestyler
October 10th, 2007, 02:26 PM
Medical neurologist?

cathlaur
October 10th, 2007, 02:30 PM
Ah Kristina.

I am so sorry to hear that you are having a problem with your neck and that you are not able to swim. Worst of all the pain. I think until you see the Dr it is hard to tell you what to do. I am a huge believer in massage therapy but I would hate to tell you do that and perhaps do more harm than good.

When do you see your Dr? If you cannot get in soon and you still have numbing pain and it hurts to inhale, then perhaps a very quick visit to a walk in clinic or ER is in order.

I have never been to chiropractor.

Anyway I know this is not really helping you much. But I wanted you to know that I am thinking of you. Get help sooner than later seriously.

Keep us posted

Katie

geochuck
October 10th, 2007, 02:32 PM
Pain in the neck. It may be simple it may not. Don't do anything that causes you pain. See a doctor and let him refer you to a specialist.

I love chiropractors but I never let them manipulate my neck. Just recently in our area, two deaths after neck manipulation.

SwimStud
October 10th, 2007, 02:35 PM
Hmm sorry to hear you are in pain...were there any cute guys walking on the pool deck on October 4th?..I'm keeping all options open here... ;)
You can probably ice the area to reduce swelling...

aquageek
October 10th, 2007, 02:39 PM
Go to a doctor and put Stud on your ignore list. That should cover it fully.

scyfreestyler
October 10th, 2007, 02:42 PM
Been to a chiropractor once and I will never go back. After that visit I did some research on their methods as well as their training..neither made me feel comfortable about what was done. My general family physician is a DO and he will do some back adjustment stuff for back pain but that is where I draw the line. Hope your problem is short lived and quickly forgotten.

SwimStud
October 10th, 2007, 02:51 PM
Go to a doctor and put Stud on your ignore list. That should cover it fully.

I would comment on the fact that it's odd how you start posting around the time JHS let's out, but that would infer you actually went to school. I guess Jerry just finished...

aquageek
October 10th, 2007, 03:03 PM
You should definitely see a doctor. Your symptoms sound a lot like what I experienced after breaking a rib playing football a few years back. That is one painful injury and it lasted about 6 weeks.

That's real football, not that Daisy Duke wearing man touching brand of flop sport they play in Euro land.

CreamPuff
October 10th, 2007, 03:07 PM
Pain in the neck. It may be simple it may not. Don't do anything that causes you pain. See a doctor and let him refer you to a specialist.

I love chiropractors but I never let them manipulate my neck. Just recently in our area, two deaths after neck manipulation.

For real - two deaths!? I didn't know that was an outcome! Yes, he did neck manipulation on me. Arg. He wants to see me immediately. I think I'll have to pass based on this info. Did make an appointment w/ my general doc for first thing tomorrow morning. Maybe they can take an x ray. Thanks for the warning. I had no idea. Just hope this pain goes away. :violin:

CreamPuff
October 10th, 2007, 03:17 PM
Thanks everyone for all the kind wishes. Sheesh. I hope nothing is broken. Not being able to swim makes this a top priority. :dedhorse:

Stud, ha! No, no cute guys that I can remember on that date. :rofl:

Aquageek, sorry you broke your rib!! I hope that's not what happened to me. I really, really hope I did not swim with something broken for a week!

Katie, I've got an appointment w/ a real doc tomorrow at 8 AM. I hope they take some xrays.

SCYFreestyler, I'm with you. I don't think I can ever go back to one of those guys. I'm sure they help a lot of people, but it's just too violent a process for me.


Ah Kristina.

I am so sorry to hear that you are having a problem with your neck and that you are not able to swim. Worst of all the pain. I think until you see the Dr it is hard to tell you what to do. I am a huge believer in massage therapy but I would hate to tell you do that and perhaps do more harm than good.

When do you see your Dr? If you cannot get in soon and you still have numbing pain and it hurts to inhale, then perhaps a very quick visit to a walk in clinic or ER is in order.

I have never been to chiropractor.

Anyway I know this is not really helping you much. But I wanted you to know that I am thinking of you. Get help sooner than later seriously.

Keep us posted

Katie

SwimStud
October 10th, 2007, 03:21 PM
You should definitely see a doctor. Your symptoms sound a lot like what I experienced after breaking a rib playing football a few years back. That is one painful injury and it lasted about 6 weeks.

That's real football, not that Daisy Duke wearing man touching brand of flop sport they play in Euro land.

All that padding and you still break a rib...LOL

Slowswim
October 10th, 2007, 03:22 PM
Hi all,

Wanted to ask your advice on what to do ... for a sharp, constant pain on the left side of my neck.

D I V O R C E
:bolt:

Glider
October 10th, 2007, 03:37 PM
Kristina,

Glider here...Hmmm...how to go about this without starting a flame war. Think just a minute. Someone claims 2 deaths due to a DC. And how many have died at the hands of MDs? Keep a level head, okay. I know you are hurting and that sucks. Been there, done that and DCs have helped me. So have MDs...

I have two brothers who are MDs plus a mother who is a PNP. But, hey my wife is a DC (and a good one at that, but hey I may be a little biased.)

What you need is real info from both medical and chiropractic communities and not from anyone who will blast the other.

First make sure your DC is competent (umm did he even do xrays before he adjusted you?) Where'd he go to school? Life? Palmer, etc? How long has he/she been practicing? Any reports on his records?

Second, talk to your DC to see what he says. If you aren't comfortable with his recommendation or offer of adjustment, get a second opinion from another qualified DC and/or MD.

Third, (and I've been caught in the middle of this) remember there is general disagreement and distrust between MDs and DCs. You are best to stick with an MD or DC who understands the benefits of the other's discipline and acknowledges their legitimacy.

PM me if you like and I'm sure I can get my wife to talk to you just to share info answer any questions over the phone. No charge.



For real - two deaths!? I didn't know that was an outcome! Yes, he did neck manipulation on me. Arg. He wants to see me immediately. I think I'll have to pass based on this info. Did make an appointment w/ my general doc for first thing tomorrow morning. Maybe they can take an x ray. Thanks for the warning. I had no idea. Just hope this pain goes away. :violin:

scyfreestyler
October 10th, 2007, 03:42 PM
No charge.

Still seems a little steep. ;)

Sorry, could not resist that one.

scyfreestyler
October 10th, 2007, 03:44 PM
All that padding and you still break a rib...LOL


Here here! Futbol Americano is for the birds. :2cents:

geochuck
October 10th, 2007, 03:51 PM
Glider

I have a nefew who is a DC.

The two deaths happened in our little town of Delta BC it is not a claim. The deaths both occured because of neck minipulation.

But true MDs have had the same problems. I was taking a stress test and the guy ahead of me died while doing the test so I will never take a stress test.

All I know is there are to many people doing neck minipulation. Many hairdressers give neck massages and do neck manipulation. Even the massages given by masseuses some times get carried away into neck manipulation.

I will never allow anyone to do neck manipulation on me or give me a stress test.

Glider
October 10th, 2007, 03:52 PM
That's cool;) It's the best offer I could come up with after racing against her 3 weeks ago. One of those unisex heat meets. Let's just say she held her own against the boys in every event, but I squeaked out a victory in breast.:thhbbb:








Still seems a little steep. ;)

Sorry, could not resist that one.

Glider
October 10th, 2007, 03:55 PM
That's cool George, no flame war here. :wave:

My point is competency. :2cents:

Btw, my wife can get rid of one of my migranes in about 10 minutes.:D


Glider

The two deaths happened in our little town of Delta BC it is not a claim. The deaths both occured because of neck minipulation.

But true MDs have had the same many a problem. All I know is there are to many people doing neck minipulation. Many hairdressers give neck massages and do neck manipulation. Even the massages given by masseuses some times get carried away into neck manipulation.

I will never allow anyone to do neck manipulation on me.

geochuck
October 10th, 2007, 04:01 PM
Glider it is not a war for sure, I just do not want a neck manipulation for me.

Every one else can decide for themselves.

Like I don't do drills, again every one else can decide for them selves.

I will never take part in a stress test because that guy died ahead of me. I am not saying that any one who wants to do it should not have one.

ourswimmer
October 10th, 2007, 04:09 PM
I would suggest strongly that you see your doctor. Your doctor will probably order an x-ray and if s/he doesn't immediately pipe up with that recommendation I think you should ask for it. Based on the x-ray, your doctor may refer you to a spinal specialist who may well order further diagnostics such as an MRI. I would not go back to the chiro again until I had pursued these diagnostics.

The nerves that serve your arms come out of your spinal cord at your neck. So if you have some injury to the C4-C5 or C5-C6 joints, the pressure on those nerves will make your arm numb.

I had symptoms much like you have described that started rather suddenly after some fly in practice. In my personal case, it turned out that the cause was a "block vertebra": my C5 and C6 (or maybe it's C4 and C5; I can't remember) are fused, and probably have been since I was a wee embryo. The lack of a proper joint between them makes the joints above and below take more stress, and eventually the joints and the discs in them rebelled. I didn't have any trouble with it until I was in my late 30s but then I had a long period of activity limitation, not to mention a really weak grip, until I sorted it out with PT and Pilates. (My doctor's first recommendation was muscle relaxants. In hindsight, I wish I had rejected this advice and insisted on an xray right away.)

My understanding is that a good chiro could diagnose this defect with manual examination of the neck. OTOH, a bad chiro might well try to achieve mobility in the fused joint with potentially disastrous results.

Glider
October 10th, 2007, 04:14 PM
Perhaps, but more likely in conjunction with an xray. Any DC who does any manipulation without a thorough evaluation AND an x-ray analysis should NOT be practicing...:dedhorse:
Agreed on the bad chiro...



My understanding is that a good chiro could diagnose this defect with manual examination of the neck. OTOH, a bad chiro might well try to achieve mobility in the fused joint with potentially disastrous results.

aquageek
October 10th, 2007, 04:17 PM
Having been both an auto claims adjuster and a medical malpractice adjuster I've seen the worst of both chiros and doctors, although we defended the doctors, who were usually falsely accused about 95% of the time, at least. The other 4.9% the jury was clueless. Our family recently had a great result with a chiro after a leg fracture, which was first resolved with an MD, of course.

It is my opinion that both professions have a place in the overall wellness of folks, with the MD community serving the most important role and the other areas supplementing a healthly lifestyle, encouraging injury and illness prevention, etc. A good massage from a massage therapist can do wonders for well-being.

(S)he man - I would say based on your story I wouldn't go back to that chiro on a bet or dare. Take Stud and have that guy work on him instead, starting with his mouth and fingers, where most of his issues seem to flow from.

marksman
October 10th, 2007, 04:37 PM
If it is going to take a while to see the specialist...you might try and immobilize your neck in the meanwhile. There are soft neck braces available at drug stores. You don't have to wear it all the time, but perhaps when sleeping or on the couch.

I had to use one after a particularly bad case of sleeping on the wrong side of the bed. I couldn't turn my head. I tried massaging my neck, then swimming through it, and I just made the injury worse.

The Fortress
October 10th, 2007, 04:40 PM
So so sorry for your pain and endorphin withdrawl, Kristina. Don't know what it could be, but it sounds like something acute. I'm glad you've got an appointment. Sometimes it's hard to tell where the injury is from where the pain is. You could have sclerotogenous, or referred, pain. When my neck and trap hurt, it was labrum issue. But I've also killed my neck from sleeping on my side. I hope you get better fast and that it's something minor and fixable!!

Docs good.
Some chiros good. Some bad. I love my ART doc.

geochuck
October 10th, 2007, 04:52 PM
It is an unusaul thing to happen. It does not happen very often. But it has scared me off.

For real - two deaths!? I didn't know that was an outcome! Yes, he did neck manipulation on me. Arg. He wants to see me immediately. I think I'll have to pass based on this info. Did make an appointment w/ my general doc for first thing tomorrow morning. Maybe they can take an x ray. Thanks for the warning. I had no idea. Just hope this pain goes away. :violin:

CreamPuff
October 10th, 2007, 06:02 PM
Wow! I'm tearing up with all the awesome responses and ideas (although some of these excess emotions could be due to lack of endorphins and estrogen too!)

Glider, you kicked my BUTT on breast! That sounds funny! But true. Thank you so much for your offer to PM you. I will do so shortly. I'd like to speak with your wife if that's okay. I really appreciate your feedback. I'm SURE that there are some great chiros out there and some not so great ones. On my initial evaluation, he did NOT take XRays. Guess that is bad. Crap. He felt around and just started adjusting. Graduated in 1993 from Life Chiropractic College. Things seem to be getting worse here. In speaking with him (I finally told him that I was going to my MD to get xrays first thing tomorrow), he said it sounded like I have a "misplaced" rib and that swimming most likely aggravated it. My MD that I am going to tomorrow is actually Pro Chiropracty. So. . . we'll see what they have to say. She recommended that I try one out for my migraines.

Aquageek - stop picking on poor Stud!!

Ourswimmer - lord, I hope nothing is fused. I did keep the sheets that he gave me after each visit which shows what vertebral level he supposedly adjusted. Looks like he did C1,C2; T1, T2; T8; L5; and S. I will insist on Xrays from my MD. Sorry that you had so much trouble yourself! I'm so glad you got through it!

Marksman, you are on to something there. I can confirm that swimming is making it WORSE. ARG. Neck brace here I come. Boy, picture me in that get up with my nice spiked shoes and prom dress. What a pic! I'm envisioning a new avatar!

Fort, thank you as always for your kind wishes!! Aren't we too young to have all these physical ailments!? Yeah. It's not good. Pain is quite intense. Hey, if I do have a broken rib or something, at least I can tell my coach I did all these practices with broken ribs!? Now is that commitment or what!? :violin:

Geochuck, I'm scared off a bit from the Chiros for now. I'm seeing my MD first for X Rays. At which point, I can be referred to a specialist if necessary! I do appreciate your experiences and knowledge even though it's not what I want to hear!

Will keep you all posted.

Slowswim and Aquageek, HA HA! That was nice to laugh.

:notworking: (Not swimming) Ick!

Thank you again!

rtodd
October 10th, 2007, 08:00 PM
She-man,

I feel your pain. I used to get piched nerves in my neck farily often when I was in my mid to late 20's. I couldn't sleep, drive, whatever! it was always a bummer when it happened. I went to the chiropractor for a year and overall I think it helped. I also went to an orthopedic and there was nothing major so I felt more comfortable trying the chiro. I no longer have major neck issues and I am glad I am not getting adjustments. I never really liked the idea of someone cracking my neck.

Having said that, I would go to an orthopedic and get it diagnosed...x-ray, MRI, whatever it takes to understand what it is. I would follow the PT or whatever he prescribes. You just can't mess around.

Also, I don't breathe on both sides and I'm sure my neck thanks me. I just take a peak the other way when racing. Maybe think about this. Also RICE, rest, ice, compression, elevation.

Please don't change your avatar.

cathlaur
October 11th, 2007, 08:17 AM
Kristina

I hope that your appointment goes well this morning. I will be anxiously awaiting to here what he/she says. I hope it is nothing serious.

I know that you are anxious about this. I hope you got an okay night sleep. DO NOT Assume the worst until you know what is going on. The not swimming for you is not helping as I think you love it. AH LIFE

You should know soon

Good luck

Katie

ourswimmer
October 11th, 2007, 10:29 AM
Ourswimmer - lord, I hope nothing is fused.

Sorry to have alarmed you! Even in the very unlikely event that I have diagnosed you correctly over the internet to have exactly the same ailment as I have, no worries: Once I found out what was going on in there and got some proper treatment, I improved very quickly. But I told you about me really just to illustrate why I thought it was so important to ask for xrays right away, so that you can avoid spending months on treatment that isn't actually appropriate or that does harm rather than good.

Good luck with the doctor!

geochuck
October 11th, 2007, 10:44 AM
My daughter has two vertebrae in her neck that have been pieced together with pieces of bone from her hip. She was in pain for several years but is now pretty well pain free and has been thinking of becoming a master swimmer. Hope all is well for you and sorry for the scare.

ALM
October 11th, 2007, 11:53 AM
Thanks to SwimStud's post from another thread, I suspect we now know how (S)he-Man really injured her neck... :wiggle:

-----------
INDIANAPOLIS - An Indiana appeals court upheld a
worker's compensation award Tuesday for an exotic
dancer who was injured while performing on a pole
at a strip club...

Hobson claimed she suffered neck pain and numbness
after injuring herself while dancing at the
Shangri-La West club in Fort Wayne on Dec. 20, 2001....
----------

SwimStud
October 11th, 2007, 12:28 PM
Thanks to SwimStud's post from another thread, I suspect we now know how (S)he-Man really injured her neck... :wiggle:

-----------
INDIANAPOLIS - An Indiana appeals court upheld a
worker's compensation award Tuesday for an exotic
dancer who was injured while performing on a pole
at a strip club...

Hobson claimed she suffered neck pain and numbness
after injuring herself while dancing at the
Shangri-La West club in Fort Wayne on Dec. 20, 2001....
----------

And man she is worth every penny of that $20! OK I'll run and hide now...

Seriously K, what did the docs say? didn't you go today?

craiglll@yahoo.com
October 11th, 2007, 04:10 PM
First I'm not a doctor but I have lots of experience wiht pains i my neck, both internal & external.

1 massage
2 manipulation but no cracking
3 botox.

The botox might seem drastic but almost instantly the pain is gone. I've just had one shot about two months ago. I didn't feel the shot. When I touch the area, I can still feel the sensation on my neck of my hand. You have to make sure that the nuerologist really thinks it is going to do something.

Some chiropratic schools are not as good as others. I am very fortunate to live in the midwest of the States. Palmer grads (Its in Davenport IA & Honolulu, HI) are usually pretty good and don't make outlandish statements about what they can do for you. Many of its grads were atheletes in college and hte one I used to go to had a BA in Kinesiolgy along with a BA in anatomy from Palmer & his Chiro degree. There is a school, I think it is in Maryland that graduates people who believe they can "cure"asthma. They're quaks. Check creditials 7 ask questions.

Massage is a great relief for tension. Also those funny looking wire things you can get at places liek Linens & things & Bed, Bath , & Beyond. They sort of look like they might be oversized wisks.

CreamPuff
October 11th, 2007, 05:07 PM
Whew! It's been a long but productive day I think.
In summary I'm pursuing both the traditional MD route and the chiropractic route.

Just a quick update. . .

MD in the AM
Took Xrays - nothing unusual showing up there
Are working on scheduling and approving me for an MRI - this process will take about a week to two weeks according to them
At which point, they will assess my situation and then refer me to a specialist (if necessary).
They offered to give me codeine for pain - NO WAY (I declined).
No swimming or exercise of any kind
***
Chiropractor in the PM
Who am I to sit around and wait for weeks on end while not doing anything?

In the meantime, I went to see Glider's (Mark's) wife who was very, very kind to fit me into her schedule on such short notice. I have to say that Dr. Sandy is extremely well educated, very patient, and has quite the magic touch!!
Mark, you are a lucky man!! :notworthy:
Full X Rays taken
Thorough 1st patient eval conducted
Numerous misalignments noted and adjustments made on the spot (gentle adjustments might I add)
Results were: Increased range of motion; significantly decreased pain in the neck area; numbness in arm and leg gone
Advised to not take any over the counter pain medication (I like this!)

She was awesome! I will continue to see her (and now my mom wants to go and give it a try for her issues). I figured that I had nothing to lose and it (chiropractic treatments) seems to be going very well at this point.
No swimming for now. . . That's okay as I'm feeling so much better.

Thank you all for your wonderful insight and feedback. Will keep you posted!

$20?! It's time to change my avatar to a neck brace! I give you boys an inch and you take a mile. . . :rofl:

Glider
October 11th, 2007, 05:13 PM
Wow:groovy::applaud:I said you could call her, and you up and bring the whole fam...:thhbbb:

I am indeed very happy to hear this. Can't wait to hear the other side of the story.:woot:

Mark


Whew! It's been a long but productive day I think.
In summary I'm pursuing both the traditional MD route and the chiropractic route.

Just a quick update. . .

MD in the AM
Took Xrays - nothing unusual showing up there
Are working on scheduling and approving me for an MRI - this process will take about a week to two weeks according to them
At which point, they will assess my situation and then refer me to a specialist (if necessary).
They offered to give me codeine for pain - NO WAY (I declined).
No swimming or exercise of any kind
***
Chiropractor in the PM
Who am I to sit around and wait for weeks on end while not doing anything?

In the meantime, I went to see Glider's (Mark's) wife who was very, very kind to fit me into her schedule on such short notice. I have to say that Dr. Sandy is extremely well educated, very patient, and has quite the magic touch!!
Mark, you are a lucky man!! :notworthy:
Full X Rays taken
Thorough 1st patient eval conducted
Numerous misalignments noted and adjustments made on the spot (gentle adjustments might I add)
Results were: Increased range of motion; significantly decreased pain in the neck area; numbness in arm and leg gone
Advised to not take any over the counter pain medication (I like this!)

She was awesome! I will continue to see her (and now my mom wants to go and give it a try for her issues). I figured that I had nothing to lose and it (chiropractic treatments) seems to be going very well at this point.
No swimming for now. . . That's okay as I'm feeling so much better.

Thank you all for your wonderful insight and feedback. Will keep you posted!

$20?! It's time to change my avatar to a neck brace! I give you boys an inch and you take a mile. . . :rofl:

scyfreestyler
October 11th, 2007, 05:26 PM
Glad that it worked out well for you. It sounds like finding the right chiro is key to having a good result.

The Fortress
October 11th, 2007, 05:49 PM
Glad that it worked out well for you. It sounds like finding the right chiro is key to having a good result.

Yay! Sounds much better already. I'm hoping for a simple impingement issue that a good chiro can correct! But get the MRI -- make it an arthrogram -- to rule out any tears or other issues. Over the counter meds, while they may temporarily relieve the pain, stop inflammation, which is actually the healing process. I gave up that stuff up long ago. A friend of mine told me recently that her shoulders feel better this year after she gave up ibuprofen too.

Keep us updated! Hope you can swim soon.

CreamPuff
October 11th, 2007, 05:56 PM
Sorry to have alarmed you!

Ourswimmer, I need to be alarmed sometimes- or at least brought back into the realm of reality. I would have kept swimming no matter what. Remember that mentality of "push through the pain?" I did that for the past week until it was completely unbearable. I should have stopped earlier and sought treatment sooner. But better late than never. Hopefully, I did not do any permanent damage.
Hey, you should start charing for your internet diagnosis! That's some skill! Pretty impressive!

CreamPuff
October 11th, 2007, 05:58 PM
Thanks to SwimStud's post from another thread, I suspect we now know how (S)he-Man really injured her neck... :wiggle:

-----------
INDIANAPOLIS - An Indiana appeals court upheld a
worker's compensation award Tuesday for an exotic
dancer who was injured while performing on a pole
at a strip club...

Hobson claimed she suffered neck pain and numbness
after injuring herself while dancing at the
Shangri-La West club in Fort Wayne on Dec. 20, 2001....
----------

I wish! Being, ah, mammary challenged, I could only hope to be mistaken for an exotic dancer. It doesn't really happen! :rofl:

CreamPuff
October 11th, 2007, 06:09 PM
Katie, you are so sweet. Thanks for being my :cheerleader:

George, I'm amazed at what your daughter had to endure. How wonderful that she's been pain free for some time now. Sounds like a miraculous surgery and recovery. I hope she decides to join Masters!

Stud, where's my $20?

Craig, I'm with you on point 1 and 2. Thanks for reminding me about massage. I need to get on a regular schedule with that. But botox?! Ya lost me there. I never would have thought.

Mark, don't laugh, but it was really my mom, dad and bro who now want to see your wife. Mom's first in line though. She deserves it. I'll stop at my immediate family.

Matt, I'm with you. You need to find a chiro that suits your personality. Thank you for your kind wishes.

Fort, glad that you reinforce my thoughts on OTC pain meds. I'll be sure to stick to my zero tolerance policy. Boy, life can get boring with no OTC pain meds, codeine, caffeine, limited :drink::coffee::wine: - heck, anything fun!
Hope to :fish2: eventually.

pwolf66
October 11th, 2007, 07:10 PM
Craig, I'm with you on point 1 and 2. Thanks for reminding me about massage. I need to get on a regular schedule with that.

As someone who has been receiving massages once a month for the last 5 years I have to say GET BUSY!!!!! They are the best thing ever. Not only to help keep things nice and loose but also to help YOU diagnose any problem areas, i.e. areas that you didn't even know were sore. I sooooo look forward to each one and man, do I get cranky if I miss a session.

But, while there are tons of massage folks out there and most of them are very good, I have found (after going thru 6 of them) that I get my best results from someone who is extremely knowledgable on sports medicine and kinesiology (study of human motion). If you CAN, try to find someone who also works in a sports rehabilitation office and does massage therapy on thier own. I have found that those give the best chance of finding someone who can best help you maintain peak performance but keeping you nice and loose.

Just my :2cents:

Paul

geochuck
October 11th, 2007, 07:36 PM
Massage my daughter gets them every week since her three car accidents and neck injuries.

She was a great little swimmer before a car accident when she was 11 years old. She was riding her bike home from school and a driver ran into the back of her bike and injured her leg. She would train, reach the top of her age group then her knee would blow up and she would have to stop training. We decided no more swimming when she reached the age of 13. It was too painfull for her.

She did get ready a few years ago to swim masters after her first neck injury and operation. Then another accident and another neck operation. Again she took a slow recovery and started swimming almost ready to swim masters and another car accident, no major damage this time just soft tissue damage. Her 50m free is about 30 seconds at the moment.

All of her last three car accidents were in Richmond BC. drivers coming through stop streets and broadsiding her car.

SwimStud
October 11th, 2007, 07:39 PM
Stud, where's my $20?

It's "tucked" away until I see you in person..lol

pwolf66
October 11th, 2007, 08:10 PM
It's "tucked" away until I see you in person..lol
AUGH!!!!!! MY EYES!!!!!!!:bolt:

cathlaur
October 12th, 2007, 07:22 AM
Kristina

Okay so things sound a little better than you thought they would. That is awesome. No swimming:fish2:hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. So what are you going to do with all your time and energy?

As I am new around here lol. What does Mark's wife do? I need to know, is she a massage therapist ....?

Paul I am going to make you jealous. I get a massage every Wed OMG they are wonderful. The woman I go to specialized in athletes she was with the Ice Capades for years until she settled down and had kids. I love her:applaud:.

George it sounds like your daughter has had a rough go. I hope she can get back into the swimming soon. I have really bad knees and they are sometimes sore but I think the swimming is good for them.

Okay I am off :coffee::coffee::coffee: as it is 7:18 am and I am sitting at my desk at work.
IT is my dd's 14th birthday today. OMG she is excited

Katie

CreamPuff
October 12th, 2007, 07:24 AM
George, sounds like she's still an incredibly fast swimmer if she's hitting 30 seconds in the 50 FR - and with all those injuries! I'm so sorry that she's had so many accidents. It sounds like she's a very dedicated, determined young lady to be able to work hard and recover after so many mishaps. Remind me not to go to Richmond BC! :laugh2: Seriously though, my prayers and best wishes are with you and your daughter for a good recovery.

My chiro said I have scoliosis (curvature of the spine) which I saw on my own xrays. It's crazy and does NOT look good. The good news is that I'm not supposed to run - ever. I'm not crying over it. :laugh2: Is this why I always sucked in running? I think this malformation hurts my freestyle (as I tend to snake through the water) and helps my fly (snake through the water). Ah well. Don't think my coach will let me use this new info as any kind of excuse. Darn!



Massage my daughter gets them every week since her three car accidents and neck injuries.

She was a great little swimmer before a car accident when she was 11 years old. She was riding her bike home from school and a driver ran into the back of her bike and injured her leg. She would train, reach the top of her age group then her knee would blow up and she would have to stop training. We decided no more swimming when she reached the age of 13. It was too painfull for her.

She did get ready a few years ago to swim masters after her first neck injury and operation. Then another accident and another neck operation. Again she took a slow recovery and started swimming almost ready to swim masters and another car accident, no major damage this time just soft tissue damage. Her 50m free is about 30 seconds at the moment.

All of her last three car accidents were in Richmond BC. drivers coming through stop streets and broadsiding her car.

cathlaur
October 12th, 2007, 07:33 AM
Kristina

I don't run either. Bad legs and my body shape is just not condusive to a nice run around the neighborhood. YIKES. You are probably right. Your back has made your running difficult.

It is always good to know ones limitations. That is why I like swimming I can still feel vibrant and sporty.


Have a super day

Katie

pwolf66
October 12th, 2007, 08:56 AM
Kristina

Paul I am going to make you jealous. I get a massage every Wed OMG they are wonderful. The woman I go to specialized in athletes she was with the Ice Capades for years until she settled down and had kids. I love her:applaud:.



<SOB><SOB> That's just mean. :bow:


I keep trying to get in more often but he's just absolutely packed all the time. And since I work in DC and he lives near Frederick, getting in on late notice cancelations during the week is :notworking:. So it's once every 4 weeks on Saturday. Which is great cause practice is over at 10, I go home take a quick nap and off to the massage. :bouncing:

Paul

geochuck
October 12th, 2007, 11:03 AM
Linda has an almost perfect stroke. When we swam at the pool the other day we did the minor change in here stroke and that was to get her hands into a slighty more open position. She has always had the high elbow position, a very nice roll but since the accidents she does not reach after the hand enters. A very quick to the catch but finishes quite low on her thigh but not too low and the hand rolls out comfortably. She is a no splash swimmer.


This is Linda with Jamie her nefew, my grandson. You can see Jamie does not like his hair cut.

cathlaur
October 12th, 2007, 11:08 AM
Paul

I thought you might be jealous :D. I am so addicted to them. They really do help. It is the ultimate in pampering our sore muscles.

Sorry to hear that you cannot get in more often. But at least you get there once a month.

George. Great photo. Does your grandson have an eye patch on. AHHHH

Katie

geochuck
October 12th, 2007, 11:20 AM
He is down syndrom and Aunty Linda works with him 8 hours a day to help my son and his wife. He does have an eye patch that he wears a few hours a day for an eye correction. He does not like it.

I had him in the pool the other day he loves the water. He was upset when I took him underwater a couple of times. First time was good, when he came up he squirted the water out of his mouth like a fountain and laughed. The second time he did not like it.

Slowswim
October 12th, 2007, 11:45 AM
I love massages. I had a bad fall on ice last February. I could bearly sit or stand and running was out-of-the question. I had a knot that looked like I had a half a softball in my back pocket (no exaggeration). The military doctors said nothing broken so wait.

I found a therapist and she workied it out and took care of other issues from the fall.:)

Had one (near) bad situation with massage. I was in DC years ago and ask where I could get a massage. Yep, you guessed...I was sent to a house of ill repute.:bolt:

I'll be more clear next time I'm in a strange city.:doh:

cathlaur
October 12th, 2007, 12:51 PM
George

What a sweety. I noticed the eye patch right away as my daughter has Retinitis Pigmentosa http://www.blindness.org/content.asp?id=45 so I have been to many many eye clinics. She has not had to wear a patch but I can imagine that kids would not like it.

I bet swimming would be great for your gs. How wonderful that he has many family members involved in his life. My co-worker here she is 47 has custody of her brother 45 with ds. He is doing fabulous. He is very lucky to have her. She has no children and she just loves him.

Sometimes you never know what life is going to give you. When my dd was diagnosed with RP it was heartbreaking. But we are doing wonderful now and so is she. No sense in moaning about things we cannot control. We are involved in lots of charity groups and hope one day they find a cure. Her RP and my thyroid cancer was a huge part of why I started swimming again. I need to be fit and old to help her out.

Cheers

Katie

cathlaur
October 12th, 2007, 12:59 PM
Bill

Sure you did not know what you were getting into :lmao:.Yes one must say 'Registered Massage Therapist'

Yes massages sure can help. Apparently massages can really help swimmers due to the lactic acid buildup we get using so many different muscles. It has become part of my weekly routine and I love it.

Katie

pwolf66
October 12th, 2007, 01:30 PM
Paul

I thought you might be jealous :D. Katie

Jealous??? Nah, we're waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay past jealous. Let's just say there are times when I am tempting to knock out the wife so I can take her appointment too. :laugh2:

Paul

cathlaur
October 12th, 2007, 02:14 PM
Paul ha ha ha ha:lmao:.

I hear ya. I hope she reads your post. You might just get some bread and butter for dinner and find new locks on your house.

Look out:thhbbb:

Katie

pwolf66
October 12th, 2007, 02:22 PM
Paul ha ha ha ha:lmao:.

I hear ya. I hope she reads your post. You might just get some bread and butter for dinner and find new locks on your house.

Look out:thhbbb:

Katie

[looks around] hey, wait... this is a SPORTS related site. Nope, not a chance, I'm in the clear.

:thhbbb:

Paul

cathlaur
October 12th, 2007, 02:32 PM
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Katie looks around to. NOPE her hubby is not here either. Sure they are not married to each other:rofl:?

I am pretty safe to. Oh don't get me wrong, he is proud of me and supports me but I just don't understand the glazed look he gets when I chat about it:yawn:.

He is not a strong swimmer at all. We have a pool and it is the only place I truly scare him. If he sees me coming at him he takes off and gets out as fast as he can LOL LOL LOL LOL a little fear is good :duel:. LOL LOL

Katie

pwolf66
October 12th, 2007, 02:35 PM
I love my wife but when it comes to physical activity she is such my polar opposite. No sports growing up and her idea of swimming is the competitive float. Not very exciting as these events mostly rely on the gravitation influence of the moon.

Paul

PS Plus she keeps telling my daughter (9) that she shouldn't swim 100 IM cause it's 'too hard' grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Even tho the first time she swam it this summer should finished in 1:50 (SCM). Um, that's pretty dang good for the first attempt. We are nearing War Between The States level on swimming. My daughter loves it but my wife is just projecting her views on Erika's capabilities. Sorry, didn't mean to turn this into a rant.

Slowswim
October 12th, 2007, 02:52 PM
Bill

Sure you did not know what you were getting into :lmao:.Yes one must say 'Registered Massage Therapist'

Yes massages sure can help. Apparently massages can really help swimmers due to the lactic acid buildup we get using so many different muscles. It has become part of my weekly routine and I love it.

Katie

Yeah, I learnt my lesson. The key word is "Therapist" and a reference from a local athlete will avoid any accidental :hug:.:rofl:

rtodd
October 12th, 2007, 09:01 PM
(S)he-man,

Does it feel better today? Advil may help. I think it will resolve in no time and you will be back in action. What's the deal with the scoleosis? I had an X-ray of my back and it showed that as well, but in my case I think it was due to spasms so maybe no cause for concern for you either.

The whole spinal column is a crazy thing!!!!!

notsofast
October 13th, 2007, 09:47 AM
I'm no doctor, but scoliosis is serious stuff:
http://www.answers.com/topic/scoliosis?cat=health
Most grade schools screen for scoliosis at age 12, but it can emerge later in life.

CreamPuff
October 13th, 2007, 11:34 AM
(S)he-man,

Does it feel better today? Advil may help. I think it will resolve in no time and you will be back in action. What's the deal with the scoleosis? I had an X-ray of my back and it showed that as well, but in my case I think it was due to spasms so maybe no cause for concern for you either.

The whole spinal column is a crazy thing!!!!!

I feel awesome today. My chiro recommended no pain meds so that any pain I may have is not masked and we can determine if the chiropracty is working. I feel awesome. Not only that but I don't have my usual headaches either. It's a miracle. Range of motion is greatly improved (not 100% but much improved). Pain is almost all gone.

I'm familiar with scoliosis but it turns out my case if minor (lots of adults and children have a minor version). Health of my spine is great according to the docs. I've been told that there's nothing to be done for the scoliosis as it's too minor to warrant rods or other measures of fixing it. This assessment is from my chiro and MD. So, I'll go with that. For my lifestyle, I need to avoid high impact activity like running as that (over time) will worsen my situation. Basically, I can run on occasion but absolutely no running training.

I get to try an easy, short swim practice Mon or Tuesday. Emphasis on EZ. I had to promise that I'd get out asap if there's any pain.

:groovy::groovy:

geochuck
October 13th, 2007, 11:43 AM
(S)he-Man

You must be happy especially after my ealier post.

Glider
October 13th, 2007, 12:35 PM
Awesome:bouncing: Back in the pool already, yeah:applaud: Wait until you see how fast you'll be with the extra rest:groovy:

I'm on day 3 back after my over-training bout, just finished 4,000 and feel well rested.

Keep us posted...Personally, I don't get to hear any of the details, doctor-patient thingy:rolleyes:

All I heard was you were polite, eager to learn, willing to do anything to get better, and she thought she could help you:D



I feel awesome today. My chiro recommended no pain meds so that any pain I may have is not masked and we can determine if the chiropracty is working. I feel awesome. Not only that but I don't have my usual headaches either. It's a miracle. Range of motion is greatly improved (not 100% but much improved). Pain is almost all gone.

I'm familiar with scoliosis but it turns out my case if minor (lots of adults and children have a minor version). Health of my spine is great according to the docs. I've been told that there's nothing to be done for the scoliosis as it's too minor to warrant rods or other measures of fixing it. This assessment is from my chiro and MD. So, I'll go with that. For my lifestyle, I need to avoid high impact activity like running as that (over time) will worsen my situation. Basically, I can run on occasion but absolutely no running training.

I get to try an easy, short swim practice Mon or Tuesday. Emphasis on EZ. I had to promise that I'd get out asap if there's any pain.

:groovy::groovy:

Mirabella
October 13th, 2007, 03:42 PM
Kristina - I have lumbar scoliosis and it is a mild version. I have it checked by regular xray every couple of years to make sure it is not progressing. Many adults have degnerative scoliosis which doesn't cause much of a problem to them. I do have back pain but I can mange with NSAIDs. Swimming doesn't bother it at all.

CreamPuff
October 13th, 2007, 04:27 PM
George, I can't complain! Your grandson is ADORABLE!! How awesome that he's already loving the water! :applaud:

Mirabella, the docs (at least mine) really seem to like swimming as a sport and think that it helps the spine. Thank goodness.

Mark, I will absolutely keep you posted. Had another good session today.

Hubby loved it b/c we got to eat Bfast at La Madeline (there's not one near us where we live.) He's all for my needing to go back for another adjustment next Saturday - that means another great breakfast for him.

Your wife was wonderful and she took a lot of time to explain to my husband what my situation is. As I mentioned, my mom is going to be seeing Dr. Sandy beginning next week as a new patient. You know me (that swimmer mentality), do what you're told. As my situation has improved so drastically, I'm all for doing what she says!

I'm so glad you are recovering nicely from your over-training bout. 4000 is awesome! I'm really wondering if my neck issue was a sign that I was over training. I'm thinking so. . .

I'm disappointed as next Sunday was to be my first USA S meet with the kids. The psych sheets came out and I stack up very nicely with the Senior girls. ARG! Oh well. There are plenty of more meets to come. :cry:

BUT, I'm just thrilled I feel normal again! :groovy::groovy:

Chiropracty has gained a new believer! Initial results are quite remarkable.

One really amazing result - ZERO headaches of any kind!