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TomBrooklyn
October 20th, 2007, 08:49 PM
http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_things_to_do/facilities/af_pools.html#top
Click on any of the five green Borough tabs.

There are pools of all different sizes labled "Olympic." How can all these different sized pools be Olympic? Are they mislabled?

nyswimmer
October 20th, 2007, 09:12 PM
http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_things_to_do/facilities/af_pools.html#top
Click on any of the five green Borough tabs.

There are pools of all different sizes labled "Olympic." How can all these different sized pools be Olympic? Are they mislabled?

Yes. An Olympic pool is 50 meters long. There are only two pools in NYC that meet Olympic specifications -- Asphalt Green in Manhattan and Lehman College in the Bronx. There's also a 50 meter pool at Riverbank State Park but it's only four feet deep, too shallow for competition.

The Parks Department is making the health club/hotel mistake of calling any rectangular pool that's long enough for lap swimming "Olympic."

ALM
October 20th, 2007, 09:12 PM
The Olympics are swum in a 50-meter pool, which is equivalent to 164 feet long.

Some of the pools on that link are described as 330 feet long. That would be 100 meters; I'm not sure I've ever seen such a pool.

Perhaps their definition of "Olympic" is, "it has lines painted on the bottom."

Anna Lea

TomBrooklyn
October 20th, 2007, 10:49 PM
The Olympics are swum in a 50-meter pool, which is equivalent to 164 feet long.
Some of the pools are pretty close. The Sunset Park pool I now frequent in the summer is listed as 162' wide (L=259') Picture:
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=40.647202,-74.002656&spn=0.001547,0.003374&t=k&z=19&om=1

I wonder why they didn't just make it two feet wider. The pool on the right is just a sprinkler setup a couple inches deep. The pool on the left is a diving pool but it's been closed for at least six years-- due to insurance reasons the senior lifeguard told me. Last summer they filled it in with sand and made it a volleyball court. The sand blows into main pool now and adds a little grit to the bottom in the lap area. The lanes are real wide but there are no lane lines.

A couple of the other pools are listed at 165', just a foot too long. Weird.


Some of the pools on that link are described as 330 feet long. I'm not sure I've ever seen such a pool. One of those 330' pools is in my old neighborhood of Red Hook. I used to go there sometimes to cool off, though I didn't swim much then. Here's the airial photo. 330' is the length, but the way the lanes are painted it's 130'.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=40.672725,-74.003969&spn=0.000773,0.001687&t=k&z=20&om=1

Ripple
October 20th, 2007, 11:22 PM
The Olympics are swum in a 50-meter pool, which is equivalent to 164 feet long.

Some of the pools on that link are described as 330 feet long. That would be 100 meters; I'm not sure I've ever seen such a pool.

Perhaps their definition of "Olympic" is, "it has lines painted on the bottom."

Anna Lea

That sounds like one of those Art-Deco era Lidos they have in England and are fighting to preserve from developers. Tooting Bec Lido is about that long, it's billed as "The largest outdoor pool in Europe." I suppose it's not inconceivable that some were built on this side of the Atlantic as well.

Brian Stack
October 20th, 2007, 11:40 PM
http://www.nycgovparks.org/sub_things_to_do/facilities/af_pools.html#top
Click on any of the five green Borough tabs.

There are pools of all different sizes labled "Olympic." How can all these different sized pools be Olympic? Are they mislabled?

Mislabeled? Yes, but only because most folks have no idea what the title means. I've seen motel pools advertised as "Olympic", and I've had facility directors inform, me that the pool at their facility was Olympic or even Junior Olympic, let's not go there.
FINA's definition of an "Olympic" pool is very specific:
An Olympic size swimming pool is the type of pool used in the Olympic Games. The FINA specifications for an Olympic pool are as follows:
Length: 50 m
Width: 25 m
Number of lanes: 8
Lane width: 2.5 m
Water temperature: 25 C - 28C (77F - 82.4F)
Light intensity: >1500 lux
Depth: 2.0 m minimum
Volume: minimum 2,500 m3 or 2,500,000 liters (depends on depth)
There must be two spaces 2.5 m wide outside lanes 1 and 8 (in effect, two empty lanes). Also, the 50 metres length must be between the touch pads, if they are used.

Blackbeard's Peg
October 21st, 2007, 01:08 AM
Brian, THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for throwing those NYC pools under the bus for this "olympic sized pool" crap. I CAN'T STAND IT when people do this. I want to sue them for misrepresentation (and I bet you I could win - a verdict of getting them to remove the "o" word. :dedhorse:

The 55 & better community going up across the street from my office is going to have a "senior olympic" size pool. :dedhorse:

nyswimmer
October 21st, 2007, 01:12 AM
That sounds like one of those Art-Deco era Lidos they have in England and are fighting to preserve from developers. Tooting Bec Lido is about that long, it's billed as "The largest outdoor pool in Europe." I suppose it's not inconceivable that some were built on this side of the Atlantic as well.

That's exactly what they are. Most of the NYC Parks pools were built in the 1930's as depression-era public works projects. They weren't regulation size because the builders only considered them as recreational, not as competition or even lap swimming facilities. Newer Parks Dep't pools (like the Chelsea Pool) are regulation 25 yards and six lanes.

ALM
October 21st, 2007, 10:33 PM
Tom,

Those are cool links. Thanks for sharing them.

Wow, imagine if that 330' pool had lane lines going the other way... one length of the pool would be 100 meters. Imagine the workouts one could do. A 1000-meter swim would just be 5 times up and back. That would sure be nice for those of us who easily lose count of our laps!

Anna Lea

Allen Stark
October 21st, 2007, 11:53 PM
I have seen many pools advertised as "Olympic" that were at best 25 yd. I don't know what parameters they are using,but it is clearly false advertising.:bitching:

Karlene
October 22nd, 2007, 10:38 AM
Tom, your link to the NYC pools brought back some great memories. One of my favorite places as an age grouper was Astoria pool. LCM meets were held at the "deep" end of the pool and were conducted across the width. The rest of the huge pool was more shallow and had these weird pyramid type structures (filtering systems?) in it. A great place to play between races. The 1964 Olympic trials were held at Astoria pool. As a 10 year old, I was amazed at how "old" one of the female swimmers at Trials was. Back then, pre Title IX, virtually no one swam competitively past HS. It was USMS's own Jane Katz, racing at the ancient age of 20 or 21. Over 30 years later I got the opportunity to meet Jane at '95 LC Nats and tell her how much her swimming inspired me and made me realize that the competitive spark knows no age limit.

talne621
October 22nd, 2007, 10:49 AM
1 pool that I swam in over the summer was advertised as a 50 meter pool. If it was I broke all of the world records easily. It was probably about 25 yards.

SwimStud
October 22nd, 2007, 10:57 AM
Tom, your link to the NYC pools brought back some great memories. One of my favorite places as an age grouper was Astoria pool. LCM meets were held at the "deep" end of the pool and were conducted across the width. The rest of the huge pool was more shallow and had these weird pyramid type structures (filtering systems?) in it. A great place to play between races. The 1964 Olympic trials were held at Astoria pool. As a 10 year old, I was amazed at how "old" one of the female swimmers at Trials was. Back then, pre Title IX, virtually no one swam competitively past HS. It was USMS's own Jane Katz, racing at the ancient age of 20 or 21. Over 30 years later I got the opportunity to meet Jane at '95 LC Nats and tell her how much her swimming inspired me and made me realize that the competitive spark knows no age limit.

I lived near that pool, and my wife has tried to swim there. Astoria park was a nice place back in the day.

TomBrooklyn
October 22nd, 2007, 11:04 AM
Tom, your link to the NYC pools brought back some great memories. One of my favorite places as an age grouper was Astoria pool. LCM meets were held at the "deep" end of the pool and were conducted across the width. The rest of the huge pool was more shallow and had these weird pyramid type structures (filtering systems?) in it. A great place to play between races.
Hi Karlene,
Here's the picture taken from space of the Astoria Pool... http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=40.778726,-73.922753&spn=0.003087,0.006748&t=k&z=18&om=1

It's listed as 330' x 165' x 4' on the NYC Parks website and looks like the Sunset Park pool a few blocks from my house with the sprinker pool on one side and diving pool on the other. You can see what looks like a big tower at the dive pool, but the dark patch in the bottom might indicate dirt meaning they probably don't use it anymore. I've bicycled past there on the 5 boro bicycle tour.

I know those funny pyramid things. Actually, I don't see them in the Astoria Pool pic. You can see them clearly as big dots in the other pics I posted though. They are about 6'-8' in diameter, centered across the width and divide the pool in thirds along the length at the low points indicated by the long drains. The guards don't let the kids climb up on them. They were probably more lenient years ago.

They usually put up lane lines to divide the pool in thirds and keep the recreational swimmers and dippers in one third and the lap swimmers in another. Usually the last third is kept empty. The only time I've seen that one used is on the busiest days like July 4. The Sunset Park and Red Hook pools are surprisingly underutilized. You can usually get a 50m (approx) lane to yourself or share it with one other person, and the lanes are very wide. Maybe because they close at 7pm a lot of adults can't get there in time.

The water is very clear and always cold. I suspect they add water to it constantly because the pool never warms up the whole summer. On the other hand, they don't seem to vacuum or filter it very well, because there is always a lot of hair and other junk on the bottom. I may have to complain about that and cause these City workers to get more on the ball. They always have a big lifeguard and maintenance staff, most of whom have a lot of free time.

Interesting that meets were held there. I don't think meets are held at any of the NYC Pools now. I wonder if something could be restarted. Are there any swimming groups that might be interested in that? You can't beat the price of usage which would probably be...nothing.

Karlene
October 22nd, 2007, 12:15 PM
Thanks for the photo link, Tom. Yes, we could swim near and jump off the pyramids in the 60's. The pool setting was great, nestled between the Triboro Bridge and a large railroad bridge. The pool had a large park area surrounding it. We raced in alot of NYC rec pools but that was over 40 years ago.

nyswimmer
October 22nd, 2007, 06:14 PM
Interesting that meets were held there. I don't think meets are held at any of the NYC Pools now. I wonder if something could be restarted. Are there any swimming groups that might be interested in that? You can't beat the price of usage which would probably be...nothing.

The Parks Dep't holds a masters meet every year at the Chelsea Pool (an indoor 25 yard pool at 25th Street and 9th Avenue), usually in May. Best of all -- no entry fee! :banana:

pwolf66
October 22nd, 2007, 07:11 PM
Tom,

Those are cool links. Thanks for sharing them.

Wow, imagine if that 330' pool had lane lines going the other way... one length of the pool would be 100 meters. Imagine the workouts one could do. A 1000-meter swim would just be 5 times up and back. That would sure be nice for those of us who easily lose count of our laps!

Anna Lea

Yeah, nothing like swimming in a body of water that's affect by the Moon :thhbbb:

Plus, can you IMAGINE trying to motivate as a coach in that pool?

'OK guys, next set is an easy drill set, 1 armed butterfly, right arm first length, left arm back'

Yep, nothing like 200m 1 armed butterfly, eh?

Hey, Fort, how about doing some shooters in that pool? <GASP>

Paul

Blackbeard's Peg
October 23rd, 2007, 12:48 AM
Wow, imagine if that 330' pool had lane lines going the other way... one length of the pool would be 100 meters. Imagine the workouts one could do. A 1000-meter swim would just be 5 times up and back. That would sure be nice for those of us who easily lose count of our laps!

I just don't want to be there for the 100 fly.

Treebox
October 23rd, 2007, 11:34 AM
Speaking of 100M pools-

There was a state park in western NY that had a 100M pool. Once a summer they would have an AAU meet (I'm dating myself). Other nearby 50M pools would support the meet by lending their lane lines and linking them together. The flyers were real humble.

TheGoodSmith
October 23rd, 2007, 06:28 PM
Answer: New Yorkers don't swim. They smoke and start arguments.



John Smith

Daivutka
October 23rd, 2007, 07:43 PM
:laugh2: True

some_girl
October 23rd, 2007, 08:00 PM
It wouldn't hurt so much if it weren't so true. Some of us make time to swim between the yelling and stogies, though.