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Paul Smith
November 28th, 2007, 11:11 AM
to be a part of the human race...and in this case certain members of the swimming community:

Wounded soldiers in pool row
Horrifically wounded British servicemen were jeered and abused as they used a public swimming pool as part of their recovery treatment.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories/2007/11/23/wounded-soldiers-in-pool-row-89520-20149599/

funkyfish
November 28th, 2007, 11:35 AM
Simply put, that is totally messed up. She (the put-out swimmer) should get her perspectives in order and learn to do some dry-land work. Perhaps the soldiers in rehab should bring an armed escort with them next time and see who complains. Just messed up.

scyfreestyler
November 28th, 2007, 12:42 PM
She is only an embarrasment to herself.

poolraat
November 28th, 2007, 12:43 PM
Simply put, that is totally messed up.

I would phrase this a bit differently but the mods wouldn't like it.

Peter Cruise
November 28th, 2007, 12:50 PM
She should have been ordered from the pool and barred from the facility.

pwolf66
November 28th, 2007, 12:55 PM
While I _might_ be able to understand some irritation over not having access to 'thier' lanes, I don't understand how they could be irritated for long much less have the GALL to express thier irritation in such a manner. Hopefully the Kharmic Wheel will run over them in some non-life-threatening manner.

Totally uncalled for.

Paul

scyfreestyler
November 28th, 2007, 01:03 PM
While I _might_ be able to understand some irritation over not having access to 'thier' lanes, I don't understand how they could be irritated for long much less have the GALL to express thier irritation in such a manner. Hopefully the Kharmic Wheel will run over them in some non-life-threatening manner.

Totally uncalled for.

Paul

Oh, I don't know. A drowning might be in order here. :eek:

Paul Smith
November 28th, 2007, 01:16 PM
I posted this partly because of its absurdity...but also as a tie in to some of the other discussions we have had on "how we train", periodization, etc.

Although a very, very thin thread in its connection...part of the message here is that we should be more flexible and open in our own training and not become creatures of habit (in this case....to the extreme).

How often do you do the same warm up for a meet? At the start of workout? How often do you go the same lane...do the same sets (John Smith)? Drive the same way to and from work?

Gary Hall Jr. as been in a discussion on his website about how much of training/racing is mental.....he says in the realm of 90-95%. This came up when a poster asked him if it was true that in 2000 he only warmed up for 150yards (meters actually) before his 100 free...to which he answered "I swim till I feel good".

I have swam this way most of my life....in fact there are days at workout where I swim the entire practice as a "warm up" because it just isn't there. I also never know what I'm going to do in a pre meet warm up other than feel good and try and dial in the turns/starting blocks.

I also really tweek teammates because I get in a different practice lane at least 1-2x a week....I'll move into the slower lanes when I want to do more kicking or fartlec speed work...and it NEVER happens without someone getting freaked out by my being there...either I'm "to fast", "to big" or they want their "space". For me...I get to know more people on the team and I'm always aware of their place in the lane and avoid crowding them.

Points being:
- Always listen to your coach....but also to your own body.
- "Play" with things, try breaking out of routines
- If your really bold and want to test your mental strength as GHJ discusses, try "trusting" that you banked your training all season and do a different, taper and a different warm up at a meet...or swim new events.

Life's to short to stay in the "same lane"!

scwids
November 28th, 2007, 01:25 PM
Oh, I don't know. A drowning might be in order here. :eek:

If she floats, she's a witch!!!



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Blackbeard's Peg
November 28th, 2007, 02:14 PM
yes, it is bothersome to show up to the pool at your regular time and have someone else in your lanes, or practice suddenly cancelled for whatever reason... but i can't understand how she couldn't take into consideration who and why those people were there.
If that ever happened at my pool, I'd like to think I'd be on deck asking how I can help or talking to the guys and their therapists... and at the very least thanking them for their contributions. It'd probably end up being one of the more depressing workouts I'd've been to, but also probably one of the most rewarding.
I sincerely hope this outburst had nothing to do with political reasons. This woman is probably old enough to know that it is not right to take your frustrations toward the government out on its military (ie troops returning home from Vietnam).

TRYM_Swimmer
November 28th, 2007, 03:10 PM
I....in fact there are days at workout where I swim the entire practice as a "warm up" because it just isn't there. ...

Watch out, Paul, talk like this will get you in trouble with the "no garbage yardage" group!!

Agree totally, as I have swum just about every event except 50 Free and 200 Fly and am thinking about 200 Fly for a future meet, just for fun! So when are you going to do a 200 Fly?

Rob Copeland
November 28th, 2007, 04:09 PM
I'd like to think I'd be on deck asking how I can help or talking to the guys and their therapists... and at the very least thanking them for their contributions.Thatís because you are a REAL Masters Swimmer!:applaud::notworthy::fish2:
Not some grumpy lap swimmer.:cane:

knelson
November 28th, 2007, 04:59 PM
They didn't mention whether the wounded soldiers were using noodles or not. If they were that lady's derision may have been deserved. Kidding, of course, but I bet there's another side to this story we're not hearing. The whole tone of that article was meant to inflame. If the woman actually took her anger out on the soldiers that was wrong, but maybe she simply complained to the facility that they should tell people if they change the schedule or something like that. I think most of us would agree we don't always get the full or accurate story from the media.

About Paul's discussion of mixing things up/the mental component of swimming. There's a good interview with Bob Bowman on the Floswimming site where the interviewer asks him about the mental component in swimming. Bowman says for elite athletes it's close to 100% (so agrees with GH), but is much less of a factor the further down the ranks you go. You do have to have the talent and the technique. It's a great video. This is in part one of the interveiw, there's also a part two where he has a funny story about what he learned from Paul Bergen.

Slowswim
November 28th, 2007, 05:13 PM
If she floats, she's a witch!!!



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THIS CALLS FOR WATER BOARDING! :dedhorse:

Ripple
November 28th, 2007, 08:42 PM
I've seen the Mirror and it's a pretty typical sensational British tabloid. My English-born better half describes it as "fit to line the cat's litter box with".
It's possible that the event took place exactly as recorded. It's possible that what actually took place was a very minor incident and they've exxagerated and blown it all out of proportion. It's also entirely possible that it never happened at all, was an urban legend-type rumour and is being breathlessly reported as fact to sell papers. WITH BIG SCREAMING HEADLINES!!!
Having once spent 15 minutes staring glumly at a magazine rack in a Waterlooville (Hants) convenience store, desperately searching for something halfway intelligent to read in the laundromat next door, all I can say is... take this with a grain of salt.
:shakeshead:

The Fortress
November 28th, 2007, 09:22 PM
Watch out, Paul, talk like this will get you in trouble with the "no garbage yardage" group!!

Agree totally, as I have swum just about every event except 50 Free and 200 Fly and am thinking about 200 Fly for a future meet, just for fun! So when are you going to do a 200 Fly?

Or 200 evilstroke? Or some backstroke? I'm doing all 4 strokes at my next meet ... no IMs either. :thhbbb:

I never do the same warm up. In fact, I don't even have a set meet warm up. I just swim and do stuff until I feel ready to go. 150 is pretty short though -- I need to loosen up a bit more.

SwimStud
November 28th, 2007, 09:28 PM
I've seen the Mirror and it's a pretty typical sensational British tabloid. My English-born better half describes it as "fit to line the cat's litter box with".
It's possible that the event took place exactly as recorded. It's possible that what actually took place was a very minor incident and they've exxagerated and blown it all out of proportion. It's also entirely possible that it never happened at all, was an urban legend-type rumour and is being breathlessly reported as fact to sell papers. WITH BIG SCREAMING HEADLINES!!!
Having once spent 15 minutes staring glumly at a magazine rack in a Waterlooville (Hants) convenience store, desperately searching for something halfway intelligent to read in the laundromat next door, all I can say is... take this with a grain of salt.
:shakeshead:

Might I suggest the Daily Telegraph or The Times...not the NY Times which is also now known for it's "questionable" reporting methodlogy.

christineL
November 28th, 2007, 09:58 PM
"take it with a grain of salt".....I'm not so sure of that. I've heard of abuses soldiers have had to endure from the others especially those who never experienced hardship...more often than not, they did not complain - just clam up and move on. Perhaps, someone else saw that and reported that to this "tabloid". I'm grateful that it got printed at all to increase awareness that those dolts do more damages at home than they would if they had gone to war themselves. :sad:

If anyone tells you about what they had to endure, consider it to be honorable because you earned their trust to regard them as human with broken body not a freak.

Paul Smith
November 29th, 2007, 08:33 AM
I've seen the Mirror and it's a pretty typical sensational British tabloid. My English-born better half describes it as "fit to line the cat's litter box with".
It's possible that the event took place exactly as recorded. It's possible that what actually took place was a very minor incident and they've exxagerated and blown it all out of proportion. It's also entirely possible that it never happened at all, was an urban legend-type rumour and is being breathlessly reported as fact to sell papers. WITH BIG SCREAMING HEADLINES!!!
Having once spent 15 minutes staring glumly at a magazine rack in a Waterlooville (Hants) convenience store, desperately searching for something halfway intelligent to read in the laundromat next door, all I can say is... take this with a grain of salt.
:shakeshead:

I saw the story on CNN and then did a web search to find more details...not that trust CNN entirely but I'm guessing they did at least a bit of research (they had cameras at the pool where it occured).

I will say again..this is an extrme example of people who are so set in their ways/routine that ANYTHING that distubs it sets them off...I've dealt with some pretty nasty fitness/lap swimmers over the years and it can get ugly! Lighten up...try something new!

ThomasK
December 1st, 2007, 03:46 PM
The story is also in the Telegraph (a more serious newspaper than the Mirror I guess):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/22/narmy322.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox

I pity that woman and the facility that (apparently) sent the british servicemen away. :shakeshead:

Last Monday I helped the lifeguard help out of the pool where I swim a partially abled guy with some physical defects. I was really pleased I could give a hand and thought "what a guy, he's giving it all he can!"

We really are creatures of habit as Paul and others have said, but fortunately most everyone I meet is accepting and will accomodating. (Certainly more than the drivers on the road after swims!)

ThomasK
December 3rd, 2007, 12:25 PM
I emailed the center and here's the reply I got back today - FYI:


Press Statement

22nd November 2007

Mole Valley District Council, Pippbrook, Dorking RH4 1SJ

STATEMENT FROM COUNCILLOR TIM HALL LEADER OF THE COUNCIL

Mole Valley District Council has an excellent relationship with Headley Court, who have been using the Leisure Centre for more than 20 years. The Council guarantees that Headley Court will have use of at least one lane of the swimming pool during their weekly sessions. But the number of lanes allocated depends upon the number of attendees both from Headley Court and the general public. At all times appropriate space is available for public use.

There appears to have been a rare incident where two members of the public queried the provision of lanes of the swimming pool for Headley Court. This was an isolated incident, where some insensitive comments were made by these members of the public, directed at some of our customers from Headley Court.

I have today (Thursday 22nd November 2007), spoken to Wing Commander Steve Beaumont of Headley Court and we both agree that this sort of insensitivity by a few people cannot stop us from working closely together in future. As we live in a democracy which encourages freedom of speech, we cannot legislate against what particular individuals say. Whilst the Council does not condone what happened, staff at the Leisure Centre did their best to accommodate all concerned and acted professionally in dealing with the situation.

The Council has had a strong relationship with Headley Court for more than 20 years and is dedicated to supporting their continued use of the Leisure Centre.

In fact we will be considering the following proposal at the Council meeting on 27 November:
That this Council offers free use of the soft play area and swimming pool during the public open sessions at the Leatherhead Leisure Centre and free access to the cinema at Dorking Halls to:
(1) the families of injured service men and women undergoing rehabilitation at Headley Court during their visits to loved ones
(2) to the injured service men and women resident at Headley court who accompany their family on these visits
(3) to the children and young people in care and their carer families who reside in Mole Valley.
ENDS

christineL
December 3rd, 2007, 12:47 PM
Nowhere on it does it say that they are sorry for kicking those swimmers out just to listen to those bad apples. No, that PR does not help to make them look better. Nope.....