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quicksilver
November 29th, 2007, 07:10 PM
http://www.omegatiming.com/swimming/racearchives/2007/atlanta_1_2007/index.htm


Thursday, November 29, 2007 - Evening Session

Women's 500 yards Freestyle
Men's 500 yards Freestyle
Women's 200 yards Individual Medley
Men's 200 yards Individual Medley
Women's 50 yards Freestyle
Men's 50 yards Freestyle
Women's 4x100 yards Medley Relay
Men's 4x100 yards Medley Relay

ande
November 29th, 2007, 07:44 PM
cool
thanks for the link
natalie broke the AR in the 50 free 21.46

scyfreestyler
November 29th, 2007, 07:48 PM
And Lochte broke the 200 IM record as well.

quicksilver
November 29th, 2007, 07:49 PM
Very welcome. I'm used to you posting them.



21.46!
That's incredibly fast.
Wonder how many body dolphins she used.

It seems as if the backstrokers are bringing their Ninja kicking skills to the freestyle events.

The Fortress
November 29th, 2007, 10:14 PM
I just hope the amazing swims pop up on youtube soon. I missed tonight's stellar times. :(

NKMD
November 29th, 2007, 10:36 PM
You can actually watch it live.
It was awesome.

http://usaswimming.org/usasweb/DesktopDefault.aspx

6:00 PM EST

Amazing turns.

ALM
November 29th, 2007, 11:18 PM
And here's the quote of the day, from Day One of the web coverage.

Dara Torres showed up during the first part of the broadcast. The commentator interviewed her during the heats of the 500. He talked about Omaha, site of the 2008 Olympic Trials. He commented that it's a nice town, they have a great zoo, etc. Then he said, "And the Qwest Center is going to be a great venue for the Trials."

Dara said, "The Qwest Center. Do you know if that's a fast pool?"

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Rob Copeland
November 29th, 2007, 11:24 PM
You can actually watch it live.
It was awesome.It is even more awesome in person, right on the deck at the start/finish. Jealous?:thhbbb:

ALM
November 29th, 2007, 11:32 PM
It is even more awesome in person, right on the deck at the start/finish. Jealous?:thhbbb:

So, Rob, what happened after the heat of the 200 IM where the backstroke flags fell into the water? It looked like one swimmer ran into them and took a couple of freestyle strokes during the breaststroke leg. Did they let him swim the race again?

Anna Lea

knelson
November 30th, 2007, 12:49 AM
Lochte pretty much buried Phelps on the backstroke leg of the IM splitting 24.24. Yes, 24.24! Phelps split a 25.64.

It will be fun following all the meets this weekend. Amanda Beard is swimming at the local invite up this way--the Husky Invitational. She swam prelims of the 200 IM, but scratched finals.

Rob Copeland
November 30th, 2007, 06:52 AM
So, Rob, what happened after the heat of the 200 IM where the backstroke flags fell into the water? It looked like one swimmer ran into them and took a couple of freestyle strokes during the breaststroke leg. Did they let him swim the race again?

Anna LeaActually 4 or 5 of the swimmers swam through the flags, I didn't see any freestyle and I didn't hear of any DQ's. It was decided that they heat would be reswum after the relays for any swimmer who wanted to go again. In the end, they all said no (some of their coaches had a few more choice words, not appropriate for our civil forum).

Frank Thompson
November 30th, 2007, 10:49 AM
There was a USMS National Record yesterday at this meet. Robert Margalis broke the Men's 25-29 500 Yard Free Record of 4:26.87 and went 4:19.47 so that is a margin of over 7 seconds. I know he is a 2007 USMS registered member because he was listed as breaking the 1 Hour Swim Record. However, I noticed that he had 5 NV by the 5 SCY records he set last year so maybe he doesn't care if he gets the USMS records. USA Swimming has to measure the pool because of the two American Records that were set so all he has to do is get the Georgia Tech people to help get the USMS Record Application with the timing tapes and officials signitures.

I am interested in seeing what Ryan Lochte does today in the 400 IM and see if he can challenge the American Record of Michael Phelps of 3:36.26 which would be about a 2 second drop from his best time. As Kirk said his backstroke looked good and I wonder if he can go under :44.60 and break his own American Record. I was impressed with his 50 Free swim especially after swimming the RACE (200 IM) with all the pressure and hype that went with it. With this kind of speed (19.22) I hope he doesn't scratch the 100 Free and it will be interesting if he can do the same thing against the field that includes Michael Phelps. I saw that Michael Phelps put a reasonable seed time in at :42.43 in the 100 and its unlike the 200 Free where he put a 1:29.84, which is 1.18 seconds faster than what Simon Burnett did at NCAA's when he set the US Open Record. I wonder if he will be the first swimmer to break the 1:30 barrier?

Natlie Coughlin suprised a lot of people with the outstanding :21.46 50 Yard Free American Record swim. Kara Lynn Joyce was undefeated in NCAA competiton for 4 years in this event and I believe this is the first time in the SCY format that she lost. I was very impressed with Natalie's turn and if she can hit 2 more like that in the 100 Yard Free, than I see her winning and going :46.6 for another American Record. In a Women's Free race I have never seen that kind of advantage at this level. This was easily equal to the last turn that Phelps did last year in Melbourne in the 200 Meter Free against Hoogie when he broke Thorpe's record by .02 seconds.

aquageek
November 30th, 2007, 12:25 PM
Any of your Horns or others with knowlege know why Ricky Berens isn't swimming this meet? He's a very fast butterflyer and at Texas.

poolraat
November 30th, 2007, 12:37 PM
Any of your Horns or others with knowlege know why Ricky Berens isn't swimming this meet? He's a very fast butterflyer and at Texas.

He's swimming in the Texas Invitational.

scyfreestyler
November 30th, 2007, 12:53 PM
How about MAC taking the win in the 400 Medley Relay...ahead of Team Wolverine led by Phelps?

Jeff Commings
November 30th, 2007, 01:26 PM
I seriously doubt Robert Margalis was pumping his fist in the air after realizing he shattered the USMS record. Unless he reads this post and/or someone tells him, he probably won't apply for the record.

In other news, Erik Scalise, who made his USMS debut at nationals last spring, went 1:49.7 in the 200 IM. He was the one who did the freestyle strokes after running into the flags. He's 30 now, so he's going to have to swim/train real hard if he wants to take down Dr. Ron's record of 1:47.

Peter Cruise
November 30th, 2007, 01:33 PM
So, a question for those math-inclined: I'm assuming that swimmers are allowed the same distance underwater dolphining on starts and turns doing SCY as LCM, then how much different is say, a 200free between LCM and SCY, factoring in more turns and a much shorter distance travelled overall with the underwater allowable expressed as a percentage of the whole?

knelson
November 30th, 2007, 01:43 PM
I saw that Michael Phelps put a reasonable seed time in at :42.43 in the 100 and its unlike the 200 Free where he put a 1:29.84, which is 1.18 seconds faster than what Simon Burnett did at NCAA's when he set the US Open Record. I wonder if he will be the first swimmer to break the 1:30 barrier?

It looks like he used converted times for some of the events which he holds the WR long course. I'd be pretty amazed if he broke 1:30 in the 200 free.

tjburk
November 30th, 2007, 02:04 PM
The Natalie 50 was awesome....was sitting there with my son and we were talking about how underwater work can win or lose a race.....I am always harping on my High Schoolers about that....and she pulled out an amazing race.....won mainly through awesome underwater work.

On the C Final of the 200 IM, when the flags dropped Erik Scalise did do a couple of off strokes to get out of the flags....the ref in his lane raised his hand and the crowd...including me started booing.....In the end it was all worked out.....

Rob Copeland
November 30th, 2007, 02:53 PM
On the C Final of the 200 IM, when the flags dropped Erik Scalise did do a couple of off strokes to get out of the flags....the ref in his lane raised his hand and the crowd...including me started booing.....In the end it was all worked out.....I talked to the official who DQed Scalise in the IM. He made the correct call; thankfully the meet referee made the right but incorrect (according to the rules) decision and tore-up the DQ.

I didnt hear any booing on the deck, just a lot of groans and choice words from long time Masters Swimmer and Nationals meet director, Ed Saltzman.

Note: while the swimming is great to watch, Ed and his volunteers are doing a terrific job behind the scenes of keeping this meet running smoothly.

tjburk
November 30th, 2007, 03:05 PM
Rob, you guys got enough volunteers for Sat?

quicksilver
November 30th, 2007, 03:43 PM
Friday, November 30, 2007 - Morning Session

Women's 400 yards Individual Medley
Men's 400 yards Individual Medley
Women's 100 yards Butterfly
Men's 100 yards Butterfly
Women's 200 yards Freestyle
Men's 200 yards Freestyle
Women's 100 yards Breaststroke
Men's 100 yards Breaststroke
Women's 100 yards Backstroke
Men's 100 yards Backstroke

No Phelps in the 400IM or 100 fly?
And no Lochte in the 100 back?


Phelps must be focusing on the 200 free.

david.margrave
November 30th, 2007, 04:16 PM
Is this on TV? probably not.

NKMD
November 30th, 2007, 07:23 PM
Rob,
Noah did awesome in the 200 Free.

quicksilver
November 30th, 2007, 08:18 PM
This must have been very exciting. Neck and neck the whole way.

1 PHELPS Michael
0.76 (2) 21.68 (1) 45.36 (2) 1:09.34 1:32.13
23.68 23.98 22.79

2 VANDERKAAY Peter
0.72 (1) 21.65 (2) 45.45 (1) 1:09.02 1:32.26
23.80 23.57 23.24

scyfreestyler
November 30th, 2007, 09:25 PM
I think CW had 5 swimmers in that A Final of the 200 Free.

NKMD
November 30th, 2007, 09:37 PM
CW did have 5 in the A Final and just broke the American Record in the 800 Free Relay.

Rob,
I am totally jealous that you can see the events LIVE.

Nadine

scyfreestyler
November 30th, 2007, 09:51 PM
Damn! That 4 x 200 was a heckuva swim, or series of swims rather! 6:12 for the AR with second place MAC coming in at 6:28...that is huge.

Rob's son did extremely well in the 200 Free. Kudos!

knelson
December 1st, 2007, 01:37 PM
Rob's son did extremely well in the 200 Free. Kudos!

I guess he won the heat from lane eight, too. Gotta love that outside smoke!

pwolf66
December 1st, 2007, 07:10 PM
A new AR in 200 Back by Lochte. Bettered it by almost a second. His ankle flexion is just SICK.

pwolf66
December 1st, 2007, 07:19 PM
And a new AR for Coughlin in the 100 Free. 46.85. Wow. Her SDKs are just amazing. She was going at least 10-12 yards off each wall.

Paul

pwolf66
December 1st, 2007, 07:23 PM
Massive props to the Jr Copeland. 43.87 in 100 Free taking the C final.

Paul

pwolf66
December 1st, 2007, 07:29 PM
Phelps just took 1st in 100 Free. Lezak faded at the end.

But Cielo swam a better time.

Paul

Syd
December 1st, 2007, 07:47 PM
What time did Phelps do Paul? It isn't up on the results yet. Where you watching it?

Syd

pwolf66
December 1st, 2007, 08:07 PM
I think he went 42.53 but I'm not 100% sure.

it's www.swimnetwork.com (http://www.swimnetwork.com) that's boradcasting the event finals.

Paul

beluga
December 1st, 2007, 08:15 PM
Phelps went 42.14 split 20.39/21.75

Lezak went 42.46 split 19.92/22.54

tjburk
December 2nd, 2007, 12:17 AM
My son came up with a very good question as we were sitting there watching tonight......

Why are foreigners even allowed to swim at the U.S. Nationals?

They can not swim in the finals....so why are they even allowed to swim at all? There were a whole lot of places in the B and C finals that could have been filled by Americans if the foreigners were not there.

Nathan
December 2nd, 2007, 01:14 AM
My son came up with a very good question as we were sitting there watching tonight......

Why are foreigners even allowed to swim at the U.S. Nationals?

They can not swim in the finals....so why are they even allowed to swim at all? There were a whole lot of places in the B and C finals that could have been filled by Americans if the foreigners were not there.

In most Nationals, they can swim--and win--the A final. They just can't here because this is a selection meet for 2008 Short Course Worlds. At any nationals that is not a selection meet, there are no restrictions as to who can swim where.

tjburk
December 2nd, 2007, 01:25 PM
Thanks Nathan....that makes sense.....

david.margrave
December 2nd, 2007, 06:26 PM
I checked the TV schedule and didn't see this anywhere. I see that you can watch it on-line, although it looks like you can only watch live because I couldn't find any links to replays of the events.

Rob Copeland
December 2nd, 2007, 07:53 PM
Massive props to the Jr Copeland. 43.87 in 100 Free taking the C final.


Rob,
Noah did awesome in the 200 Free.
:banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana:
It was a great meet to watch. I can hardly wait for Omaha next June/July.

Can you tell I’m really pumped up about Noah’s swims? Swimming vicariously may get the heart rate up, but I don’t seem to have that usual post race lactate acid build-up.

talne621
December 3rd, 2007, 10:29 AM
It was great getting so watch the meet online. There were alot of great swims. Noah did really good. Congratulations!

Jeff Commings
December 3rd, 2007, 11:21 AM
To continue the question about foreigners swimming at nationals:

Other countries routinely court Americans and swimmers from other countries to swim in their meets, but it doesn't happen often. The foreigners who swim at nationals are already in the country, swimming at universities. It's not like they traveled across the ocean for a short course yards meet that has no significance outside the United States.