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wizardflip
December 11th, 2007, 12:13 AM
I came to this forum because I know you guys swim a lot and you would be the best people to ask.

Okay, so I was watching the movie Waterworld. There is a part where Kevin Kostner swims through the water and jumps 4 feet out of the water to land on a deck. So that part is impossible...however is a pool jump possible?

A pool jump would be classified as either swimming at the side (of the pool etc.) or from a direct tread boosting out of the water high enough to get your feet under you. Is this humanly possible? Im sure there is money in it for someone who can either do this or point me to where I can find a video/article of this.

Please help...as there is a bet involved. :)

Czarazuk
December 11th, 2007, 12:34 AM
Definitely not possible given the facts you are likely working under (e.g., regular water, no buoyancy devices, and no propulsion equipment). When treading water, for example, a person is capable of exerting extra effort and getting at most their waist or pelvic area out of the water. If underwater and swimming upward, only about the same is possible.

A pool jump may be feasible, however, if the facts are somewhat changed. For example, the added buoyancy imparted by swimming in molten lead might make a pool jump possible. Similarly, the decreased gravity of the moon might also make a pool jump possible.

notsofast
December 11th, 2007, 07:02 AM
Well, none of us are going to the moon. Anyone up for the molten-lead jump?

FindingMyInnerFish
December 11th, 2007, 08:24 AM
Well, none of us are going to the moon. Anyone up for the molten-lead jump?

:eek: I'll pass, thanks! But I could have used the ability to jump out of a pool this past weekend after my false start. Would have been so much more efficient than having to be helped out by the official. If anyone figures out how to perfect this skill, other than substituting molten lead for water in swim meets--or holding swim meets on the moon (kinda tough to book tickets there on expedia)--let's do lunch and we'll talk. ;)

Karen Duggan
December 11th, 2007, 08:04 PM
Check with Synchro Swimmers regarding this topic :drown:

smontanaro
December 11th, 2007, 11:21 PM
You know they had Michael Phelps doing some very impressive vertical dolphin kicking in that video. Given the right setup I wouldn't bet against him...

Skip Montanaro

SwimStud
December 11th, 2007, 11:45 PM
nevermind lol I'd like to see the attempts hehehe

scyfreestyler
December 12th, 2007, 12:21 AM
I came pretty close tonight actually. The pool heater is on the fritz and the ambient air temperature was in the upper 40's. You can imagine the drive to exit the pool upon entry.

SwimStud
December 12th, 2007, 08:13 AM
I came pretty close tonight actually. The pool heater is on the fritz and the ambient air temperature was in the upper 40's. You can imagine the drive to exit the pool upon entry.

Matt you have to visualise it, want it, train for it and then do it. Grab the camcorder and let us share in your progress ;)

Maui Mike
December 12th, 2007, 11:28 AM
Seems like it would depend on the water depth and the height of the deck above the water. Taking the second variable out of the discussion, the debate gets down to what's the max water depth where a high jump equals or exceeds the depth of the water. My SWAG is, (add drumroll here). something less than 36".

ande
December 12th, 2007, 12:29 PM
"Is this humanly possible?"
no way,
even the fastest humans can't generate enough speed and momentum,
humans aren't properly shaped and we can't apply enough force in an efficient way, humans aren't dolphins,
we need to evolve or obtain a more streamlined shape,
our heads need to be more pointy, shoulders narrower, and hands and feet bigger and fin like

I'd be surprised if someone could
stand in 4 or 5 feet of water
jump off the bottom and
get on the side

It would be interesting to see
how high swimmers could go out of the water or
how much of their body they could get above the surface after
pushing off the bottom in 9 or 10 feet of water and
blasting towards the surface

my guess is
+ a very hard streamline push
+ followed by one butterfly pulldown
+ followed by a fierce rapid SDK
would create the most speed, momentum, and height
it might also help to pull up your legs when you're close to the peak

This might be a great sprint drill

ande


I came to this forum because I know you guys swim a lot and you would be the best people to ask.

Okay, so I was watching the movie Waterworld. There is a part where Kevin Kostner swims through the water and jumps 4 feet out of the water to land on a deck. So that part is impossible...however is a pool jump possible?

A pool jump would be classified as either swimming at the side (of the pool etc.) or from a direct tread boosting out of the water high enough to get your feet under you. Is this humanly possible? Im sure there is money in it for someone who can either do this or point me to where I can find a video/article of this.

Please help...as there is a bet involved. :)

Blackbeard's Peg
December 12th, 2007, 04:40 PM
sometimes at the end of a practice, I'll reverse streamline to the bottom of the pool, get in the squat position and push off towards the surface as quick and straight as i can, dolphin kicking. The highest I can ever get out is suit-level.

I'm with Ande, that humans were not made for this. Water provides too much resistance and we don't have the tools to make it happen.

Jazz Hands
December 12th, 2007, 05:01 PM
we need to evolve or obtain a more streamlined shape,
our heads need to be more pointy, shoulders narrower, and hands and feet bigger and fin like


I've been saying this for years, but Congress refuses to take action.

smontanaro
December 12th, 2007, 05:05 PM
Actually, it might not provide enough resistance. If you could push off the bottom (say, in water only three feet deep or so), it might well be possible. Upon rereading the original post I agree it can't be done. Still, it's worth looking at Phelps's vertical dolphin kick drills in that video to get an idea of what can be done. ISTR that in that he was still a teenager (that is, still only so-so - relatively speaking - at full body dolphin) and that he was wearing a weight belt of some sort.

Skip Montanaro

Slowswim
December 14th, 2007, 06:16 AM
I've been saying this for years, but Congress refuses to take action.

They tried but do to budget cutting this is what we got!

827

Warren
December 14th, 2007, 01:50 PM
I'd be surprised if someone could
stand in 4 or 5 feet of water
jump off the bottom and
get on the side



That wouldn't be that hard to get out of the water onto the side from 4 feet. Many people can jump over a lane line at 4 feet without touching it. If you can do that then you could stand next to the side and do the same thing. I haven't tried it becasue it would probably hurt. I like to stand in the 3 feet area of the pool and jump and see how high I can get out of the water. I can also get my whole body out of the ocean. When a wave comes I do a pull then lift my chest followed by a kick dolphin kick, then I drop my chest and kick my legs up to get out of the water. I can do that from elbow depth when the water is calm.

ande
December 14th, 2007, 02:23 PM
try it jump out of the water from 4 feet with out using your hands
clearing a lane line is no big deal
because your body is moving fast and as a portion clears it dives in the water on the other side of the rope

on the jump I'm not referring to diving on the deck and sliding on your belly but a leap to your feet (with out using your arms) which makes it more difficult and it seems to be a great way to cut your shins

I'm sure criss angel could do it

ande



That wouldn't be that hard to get out of the water onto the side from 4 feet.
Many people can jump over a lane line at 4 feet without touching it.
If you can do that then you could stand next to the side and do the same thing. I haven't tried it becasue it would probably hurt. I like to stand in the 3 feet area of the pool and jump and see how high I can get out of the water. I can also get my whole body out of the ocean. When a wave comes I do a pull then lift my chest followed by a kick dolphin kick, then I drop my chest and kick my legs up to get out of the water. I can do that from elbow depth when the water is calm.

Warren
December 14th, 2007, 02:26 PM
try it jump out of the water from 4 feet with out using your hands
clearing a lane line is no big deal
because your body is moving fast and as a portion clears it dives in the water on the other side of the rope

on the jump I'm not referring to diving on the deck and sliding on your belly but a leap to your feet which makes it more difficult and it seems to be a great way to cut your shins

I'm sure criss angel could do it

ande

yeah that would be imposible. Maybe some really tall person could do it, like an nba player.

ande
December 14th, 2007, 02:30 PM
the secret would be to jump and get out of the water beyond your knees then pull them up and get them under you

Warren
December 14th, 2007, 02:40 PM
What if you held one leg up with your knee to your chest, then jumped off of the one foot and got your foot thats already up onto the side, then step up onto the side. Would that count?

Syd
December 14th, 2007, 07:22 PM
What if you held one leg up with your knee to your chest, then jumped off of the one foot and got your foot thats already up onto the side, then step up onto the side. Would that count?


Warren, love the creativity of thought that is going on there:rofl: but I can't see that working either. If you try that you will only have half the power (one leg) and a lot more resistance with the other leg curled up against your chest!

Syd

3strokes
December 14th, 2007, 07:43 PM
Ask a water-polo goalie....................

Even the best of them would probably not be able to do it, even though
some of them can "tread" water, with the water level at suit waistline height for over 30" (that's seconds, not inches).

As a teenager swimming in Egypt, I heard of one ---from old-timers--- who could do it for almost a full minute. He was killed in a plane crash with the whole team sometime before WWII (if memory serves).

Allen Stark
December 14th, 2007, 08:36 PM
When I was in college I had a very good vertical jump and could get close to jumping out of the shallow end(3 1/2 ft) without using my hands. Nearly split my head open and barked my shin a few times and never succeeded. Someone with an NBA caliber vertical jump could probably do it from the shallow end. Without a push from the bottom-NO WAY.

craiglll@yahoo.com
December 14th, 2007, 09:50 PM
That wouldn't be that hard to get out of the water onto the side from 4 feet. Many people can jump over a lane line at 4 feet without touching it. If you can do that then you could stand next to the side and do the same thing. I haven't tried it becasue it would probably hurt. I like to stand in the 3 feet area of the pool and jump and see how high I can get out of the water. I can also get my whole body out of the ocean. When a wave comes I do a pull then lift my chest followed by a kick dolphin kick, then I drop my chest and kick my legs up to get out of the water. I can do that from elbow depth when the water is calm.

I've never seen anyone really push their hips up and do a real jump when they've "jumped" over lane lines. It woudl take so much power if your hips were inthe water to break the surface. I have seen a guy jump from water that was at his mid-thigh and jump up two feet.

Syncro swimmers use eachothers' force to push the top of the triangle or form to get the top woman out of the water. they do kick hard but can we say they are jumping/

Does anyone have a definition of what a jump is?

funkyfish
December 16th, 2007, 10:10 PM
the secret would be to jump and get out of the water beyond your knees then pull them up and get them under you

I've incorporated jumping into my leg workouts, where I'll jump from a squatting position onto a platform. So far the highest I've been able to get is 44", and that's without water resistance. Still a far cry from jumping out of 4' of water and landing on your feet.

I wonder if a powerlifter might be able to come close. Some of those guys have monster verticals, even with the weight they carry.

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