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  1. Karl_S's Avatar
    my daughter nailed the workout.
    Does she work out at the same time as you, or did your coach recycle yesterday's age-group workout for today's masters?
    What intervals did your daughter use, surely not the same ones that you did?!
  2. StewartACarroll's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Water Rat
    That your 18? LOL
  3. pwb's Avatar
    And I thought from your title that you'd gone for an OW swim and a few real manatees had migrated north
  4. Water Rat's Avatar
    What was I thinking
    That your 18? LOL
  5. Karl_S's Avatar
    Stewart,

    This discussion about what your best distance might be got me curious so I did a little analysis. I dug through the USMS and USAS databases and found your best times over the past couple of years for each of the freestyle distances. I then divided the world(LCM) or USMS(SCY) record time by your time to compute a % rating. Here are the results:

    LCM:
    50: 23.60/25.35 =93.10
    100: 51.72/56.49 = 91.56
    200: 1:53.65/2:04.64 = 91.18
    400: 4:06.74/4:28.08 = 92.03
    800: 8:37.81/9:15.35 = 93.24

    SCY:
    50: 20.82/22.61 = 92.08
    100: 45.15/49.01 = 92.12
    200: 1:38.94/1:48.04 = 91.58
    500: 4:39.86/4:55.20 = 94.80
    1000: 9:32.66/10:17.42 = 92.75
    1650: 15:51.52/17:29.92 = 90.63

    I created a graph of rating versus distance that combines all of the data by converting all distances to yds. I haven't been able to figure out how to embed the graphic here, but here is the data:
    distance (yds) rating
    50 92.08
    54.68 93.1
    100 92.12
    109.36 91.56
    200 91.58
    218.72 91.18
    437.44 92.03
    500 94.8
    874.88 93.24
    1000 92.75
    1650 90.63


    There is an interesting bimodal distribution. It appears that your most competitive distance is around 500 yds. It drops off slowly above that and quite precipitously below that. On the other hand, your 50 is anomalously strong. You are every college coaches dream for a distance swimmer, you can also contribute to relays
  6. The Fortress's Avatar
    I feel like Eddie Reese hasn't gotten on the race pace wagon as much as other coaches ... though I could be wrong. I just had a conversation with a college coach the other day who said "everyone" is using race pace training. I also just don't know if Reese's plan with a 20 week base would apply to you ... I doubt it would give you enough recovery that masters need. We need actual recovery weeks and more tapers than college kids. When you do more tapers, those super long term plans don't apply as much. If you try to train like a college kid, you will likely be overtrained.

    Whatever sets you decide on, I would hope that plenty of them have you swimming at actual 200 and 500 race pace.
  7. StewartACarroll's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by The Fortress
    I would tend to agree that it is better/more rewarding to seek glory and really excel in an event or two rather than spreading yourself too thin over all the freestyle events. It's hard for me to imagine training and competing in events as disparate as the 50 and 1650 free ...

    My three thoughts are: (1) you're not really doing any training for sprint frees right now anyway, (2) are you sure your sweet spot is the 200-500 rather than 500-1000?, (3) if you think your sweet spot is the 200/500, then you need to do more training at 200 race pace. The set you did today is a "for milers only" set and garbage for the 200.
    Thank you Leslie for your thoughts.

    On (1) I completely agree. On (2) it's hard to know for sure but my sense has always been that 200-500 is my strong range. In LCM I am strong through 650m and on the 1000 I am strong through 800. On (3) I am going to sit with coach Walker and get his thoughts on a mid distance training program for a masters swimmer.


    I found this paper from 1996 from UT with some hand written notes from Eddie Reese

    http://www.edb.utexas.edu/ssn/CCA%20...0Freestyle.PDF

    In this paper it talks about various phases of the season and it talks about a 20 week base building phase followed by specific types of sets and distances based on the duration from the taper. I suspect there are some newer ideas and would welcome any you or others have.
    Updated September 9th, 2014 at 08:35 PM by StewartACarroll
  8. StewartACarroll's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Water Rat
    Stewart, just saw your update. I think there's truth in what your teammate said, more in the overtraining. Your blog is intimidating! My theory when you don't swim as well as you'd like in a taper meet is that you're too broken down and your tapers aren't long enough to allow you to recover. We're old now. We need time to rebuild! That week off you take for swim camp is really intense. I think if you looked around at your peers, you'd find the vast majority (if not all) train less than you.
    My two cents.
    Habits of a life time are hard to break. My parents brought me up to always try my best and over my swimming career I have always carried this into the pool. That said I am not getting what I know I am capable of doing and as such I need to do something different. I also hear in the back of my mind train smarter not harder. Thanks for the feedback Mark.
  9. The Fortress's Avatar
    I would tend to agree that it is better/more rewarding to seek glory and really excel in an event or two rather than spreading yourself too thin over all the freestyle events. It's hard for me to imagine training and competing in events as disparate as the 50 and 1650 free ...

    My three thoughts are: (1) you're not really doing any training for sprint frees right now anyway, (2) are you sure your sweet spot is the 200-500 rather than 500-1000?, (3) if you think your sweet spot is the 200/500, then you need to do more training at 200 race pace. The set you did today is a "for milers only" set and garbage for the 200.
  10. Water Rat's Avatar
    Stewart, just saw your update. I think there's truth in what your teammate said, more in the overtraining. Your blog is intimidating! My theory when you don't swim as well as you'd like in a taper meet is that you're too broken down and your tapers aren't long enough to allow you to recover. We're old now. We need time to rebuild! That week off you take for swim camp is really intense. I think if you looked around at your peers, you'd find the vast majority (if not all) train less than you.
    My two cents.
  11. StewartACarroll's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by knelson
    "I went 57 on the last 100. "

    Wow, you're the man!
    I have been swimming well since I got back from worlds and I definitely have some serious motivation for next year joining the big boy age group at Nationals.
  12. StewartACarroll's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Water Rat
    Holy crap! That's an insane set. Any masters minutes thrown in there?
    It was insane. I can only imagine how hard the UT version was. No masters minutes.
  13. The Fortress's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Water Rat
    Backwards? Please. I should get one stroke on you.
    We were pretty darn even on the flutter kicks!
  14. knelson's Avatar
    "I went 57 on the last 100. "

    Wow, you're the man!
  15. Water Rat's Avatar
    Holy crap! That's an insane set. Any masters minutes thrown in there?
  16. Water Rat's Avatar
    Backwards? Please. I should get one stroke on you.
  17. The Fortress's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Celestial
    So sorry! Sending positive thoughts your direction! And lots of prayers!
    Thanks Celeste!
  18. Celestial's Avatar
    So sorry! Sending positive thoughts your direction! And lots of prayers!
  19. The Fortress's Avatar
    Thanks Stewart. Fortunately, sports medicine is a hot specialty in Pittsburgh, so there are quite a few good docs. I was pretty depressed about it yesterday, but feeling more optimistic today. I've had shoulder problems off and on since starting masters swimming, including the entire first two years, so I'm kind of used to it. My instinct tells me this is not surgical. Doing daily PT exercises has already helped some.
  20. __steve__'s Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by scyfreestyler
    Kicked a 1:07! Good stuff, Ande!
    I second this!
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