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  1. Karl_S's Avatar
    4x(4x50 back on 1min at 200 pace, 2x100 back on 2mins as close to 200 pace, 200 back fast on 4mins)
    ...
    I was sore but not half as sore as the poor guys who had to do this set fly. OMG I could not imagine doing it fly
    Nice backstroke set. 50s@P200 get tough quickly, but 100s@P200 are are very tough from go.
    Doing that set butterfly? Just say no. You would have to be some serious BADa$$ to do that.
  2. Doug Martin's Avatar
    Good job on the nb dive 50. With that and your focus on technique, you'll be sub 25 easily, and headed down.
  3. joel schmaltz's Avatar
    Well done sir! Look forward to seeing you in a few weeks
  4. StewartACarroll's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by __steve__
    25's for rp 200's! I think of a 0:25 as from the block, with 5:00 rest

    For a dad, there is nothing more troubling than a sick child.
    i was very happy with this set. Now I need to work on trying to do this every week.

    Daighter is is till sick almost a week later.
  5. GregJS's Avatar
    Nice swim, Mike!
  6. StewartACarroll's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by jim thornton
    This may seem like a joke, but it isn't. Get checked for sleep apnea.
    my dentist actually suggested the same thing. Thanks Jim.
  7. jim thornton's Avatar
    This may seem like a joke, but it isn't. Get checked for sleep apnea.
  8. __steve__'s Avatar
    25's for rp 200's! I think of a 0:25 as from the block, with 5:00 rest

    For a dad, there is nothing more troubling than a sick child.
  9. The Fortress's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by StewartACarroll
    i would never call you a prima donna. You have proven that what you do works so why not continue to do it. I feel like I am still finding my groove with masters. That said I was always a goody two shoes and did what he was told and old habits are hard to kick.
    It does take a few years to get the hang of training and tapering and assessing what works for you.

    I was a super goody two shoes as well. But also a very independent thinker. Take that old habit and drop kick it. An old dog can always learn new tricks. I just learned the Lochte turn for my 50 free this year.
  10. StewartACarroll's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Karl_S
    Yea, if you are getting sufficient distance on 4 SDK that you get 1 breath per 25 that I can see how that would be horrible. 9-10 SPL is very good.
    When you are closer to 7ft than 6ft(slight exaggeration but you get the point) it's almost impossible to do more strokes per length. I have a long efficient stroke but unfortunately struggle with tempo.

    The 4sdks was rough. In fact last night I had a nightmare about it where Tom said we needed to do 4 lengths per breath rather than 4 kicks per length. Funny how the subconscious works.... My wife says I swim in my sleep most nights.
  11. StewartACarroll's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by The Fortress
    I never do anything a masters coach says in terms of workouts. So my vice is that I'm a bit of a prima donna.
    i would never call you a prima donna. You have proven that what you do works so why not continue to do it. I feel like I am still finding my groove with masters. That said I was always a goody two shoes and did what he was told and old habits are hard to kick.
  12. Karl_S's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by StewartACarroll
    The 600 with fins and SDK was far worse. As a reference point I only do 9-10 strokes per 25 any how so doing 3 breaths is about 1 less than normal. The 600 with fins doing 4 SDK I was basically getting 1 breath per length which positively sucked.
    Yea, if you are getting sufficient distance on 4 SDK that you get 1 breath per 25 that I can see how that would be horrible. 9-10 SPL is very good.
  13. The Fortress's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by StewartACarroll
    On a personal level I am with you on the relevance of this set to a 45/46 year old mid distance swimmer, and it felt like he added these just to make the set hard. One of my many vices is that I do what I am told to do by my coach, almost to a fault! I would be a liar if I said I did not have bad thoughts when he explained these sets to us.
    Nope, doesn't seem relevant. I'm all for hypoxic training, just not that sort.

    I never do anything a masters coach says in terms of workouts. So my vice is that I'm a bit of a prima donna.
  14. StewartACarroll's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by The Fortress
    Agree with Karl.

    I don't really understand the purpose of those sets ... You would never breathe 3x per 25 in a 500 race. Why do that in practice? And 4 kicks with fins would put me past 15 m every length on that 600 ... Our masters coach has been assigning some crazy hypoxic stuff too recently. I ignore almost all of it. I guess I only believe in race specific hypoxic training for the most part.
    My first go around Dave Berkoff made hypoxic the topic of the era similar to how Michael Andrew has made USRPT the topic of his era. In college despite swimming mid distance free I did a lot of Hypoxic training and recall a particularly nasty hypoxic set of 12x50s LCM we did in Hawaii my Freshman year on our Christmas training camp. This was nothing like that set, but was ugly. On a personal level I am with you on the relevance of this set to a 45/46 year old mid distance swimmer, and it felt like he added these just to make the set hard. One of my many vices is that I do what I am told to do by my coach, almost to a fault! I would be a liar if I said I did not have bad thoughts when he explained these sets to us.
  15. StewartACarroll's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Karl_S
    Was the 600 with fins and 4SDK/w worse than the 500 with 3 breaths per 25?
    The latter sounds completely horrible - certainly any serious attempt to do that would give me a biblical headache. For the 600 I'd exercise the "masters option" and just do backstroke - then it would be fun! In fact, I really enjoy doing long backstroke swims with fins where I do ez cruise on top of the water but blast 4-6 SDK/w.
    I think your coach and I would not be especially compatible...
    The 600 with fins and SDK was far worse. As a reference point I only do 9-10 strokes per 25 any how so doing 3 breaths is about 1 less than normal. The 600 with fins doing 4 SDK I was basically getting 1 breath per length which positively sucked.

    I wonder at times who Tom is compatible with This was not my favorite workout of his but it did make a change and despite the hypoxic work being really tough in hindsight it was ok. This was basically a long aerobic workout which once or twice a week is fine(in my book) for a mid distance swimmer.
  16. The Fortress's Avatar
    Agree with Karl.

    I don't really understand the purpose of those sets ... You would never breathe 3x per 25 in a 500 race. Why do that in practice? And 4 kicks with fins would put me past 15 m every length on that 600 ... Our masters coach has been assigning some crazy hypoxic stuff too recently. I ignore almost all of it. I guess I only believe in race specific hypoxic training for the most part.
  17. Karl_S's Avatar
    2x600 #1 paddles and #2 fins with minimum of 4 kicks off wall, descend by 100 with :30 rest
    2x500 #1 breath 3 times per 25, #2 fast with :30 rest
    ...
    I really did not like the 600 with fins. With 4 dolphins with fins I was staying under a long time and this hurt pretty bad.
    Was the 600 with fins and 4SDK/w worse than the 500 with 3 breaths per 25?
    The latter sounds completely horrible - certainly any serious attempt to do that would give me a biblical headache. For the 600 I'd exercise the "masters option" and just do backstroke - then it would be fun! In fact, I really enjoy doing long backstroke swims with fins where I do ez cruise on top of the water but blast 4-6 SDK/w.
    I think your coach and I would not be especially compatible...
  18. StewartACarroll's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by jaadams1
    That is a great one for sure. Another I remember doing with my age group team a few years ago was the 6 x 100 ALL OUT sprint from a dive @ 6:00 interval, we were in 3 waves two minutes apart. Paired up with another 1 or 2 of our speed and we had to race. That was another different kind of hard, but same concept, lots of encouragement all around to make it go.
    Our kids do something similar and your right that set is a really tough set. We have been working on a lot of race pace sets rather than just all out sprint sets with the aim of training for the 200/500/1000. I am not an expert in the bodies energy systems but from what I have read the race pace sets we are doing are aimed at training the "alactacid" system Rather than "glycolytic" system. With the limited time we do have in the pool we are trying to be more specific for the events we are training.

    So so glad you are back on the forums my friend. Long may it continue.
  19. StewartACarroll's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by pwb
    That is a brutal main set of 20 x 100, but I think I'll bookmark it as it looks like a perfect thing to do.
    This was really tough! As you can see I folded mentally rather than physically on the 4th round but this set enabled me 30 seconds of think and realize I was being a wuss and I just sucked it up. Harder than it sounds but I was pleased with this.
  20. StewartACarroll's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Karl_S
    'hope you are all healthy again soon! My daughter had that (or a similar stomach bug) just after the new year. It started ~4 am so I only missed half the night's sleep. I should have been more militant about recovery eating. The day after she ate sensibly and seemed to be recovering well. The second day she was super hungry and ate like a teenage swimmer. The vomiting didn't return, but her belly hurt so much she missed two more days of school, a Saturday dual meet and a Sunday invitational. I didn't get the vomiting, but was queasy and low in energy for several days - not sure if that was just sympathetic symptoms or a touch of the actual bug.
    everyone on our end are starting to feel a little better thanks. I hope your household is the same. It was a bad bug but I guess it's that time of the year.
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