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Core + Run, Tuesday, Mar. 10

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Core/Dryland:

Wasn't sore from weights yesterday. Of course, I didn't do too many lifts either. Weights seemed to have helped my drylands; feel quite a bit stronger and able to do more. Did my first push ups since college! (Well, I've tried them before, but they always bothered my shoulders, so I stopped.)

long arm crunches, 2 x 25
russian twists w/med ball, 2 x 50
iron monkeys, 2 x 15
decline reverse crunches, 2 x 25
back extensions w/25 lb weight, 2 x 25
total ab machine, 130 x 2 x 25
squat presses w/ yoga ball & raising med ball in air, 2 x 25
held the plank for 1:30
push ups, 2 x 15 (and felt easy!)
cavic exercise on yoga ball w/3 lb weights, 2 x 25

external rotators for RC, 10 x 2 x 15, each side
arm extensions w/3 lb weight (front, V, side), 2 x 15
prone scapular scrunches w/3 lb weights, 2 x 25

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5 mile trial run

Went on a trail run. Felt great today with some easy speed, no plods. Didn't feel my hip until the last 1/2 mile or so when I was running on asphalt.

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Chiro:

Saw my chiro today. Grilled him the whole time.

1. Hip issue: My issue is definitely in my left hip, it's not referred pain. He's pretty sure I re-strained it doing lunges. So no lunges for me until it's cleared up completely. Squats with very light weight and running are OK. I'm tighter than usual, probably because I haven't been stretching my hips as much. He encouraged a repeat of the ice bath. I'll try to wrap my brain around that.

2. Weights: He thinks the weights, especially working up to the heavier ones, have definitely helped my shoulders. My whole scapular area is stronger than before. All the strength in the shoulder/back/scapular area helps compensate for the internal instability. Fixing the muscular imbalance by doing more pushing and not all pulling is also a good thing. He agrees I am very buff -- more buff than when I started this "weight project" last May. He believes I am now more able to defend myself with Mr. Fort traveling so frequently. Oh joy.

3. Cross Fit: We discussed this briefly. He says it's the "hottest" new thing in fitness. He has many cross fit clients and among them are the cross fit trainers themselves. Found the latter interesting. In his experience, he sees cross fit athletes coming in with shoulder and achilles issues (sometimes also hip/glute issues like mine). He also said something called "Yoga Fit"
is becoming extremely popular in our metro area. This discipline combines yoga and heavier weights, and apparently attracts strong guys.

4. Protein: He's worried I might not be getting enough, as I find weights so tiring. He recommends 15-21 grams of protein after heavy lifting. Checked the high protein balance bars I've been eating. They have 15 grams, probably OK for shorter workouts.

5. Suit Competition: I was perusing Triathlete magazine for a few minutes while I was waiting. There was a wetsuit survey. Couldn't believe how much competition there is in the wetsuit market. The tech suit market is ridiculous by comparison. I hope the Speedo monopoly is a thing of the past.

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Cross Fit:

Spent some time perusing the site, www.crossfit.com. There is a huge amount of info there! Myriad articles on many topics. Ahelee also turned me on to the cross fit journal where WODs, among other things, are posted. WODs = workout of the day. Looked over some of them. Yikes.

Here's one:

5 x through:

20 pull ups
30 push ups
40 sit ups
50 squats

Don't think too many masters swimmers could do this! Well, maybe Chris or Jazz. I'm told that swimmers/tris/runners are generally considered weak at CF.

I like these types of exercises/drylands quite a bit, so wouldn't mind trying to work up to it gradually. I think cross fit is something you need to approach with caution and not go crazy right away.

(Jazzy, I did notice a WOD that consisted solely on 1 max lift deadlift repeats.)

Here's a cross fit swim workout that looked pretty fun to me and I may give it a go sometime:

200 IMs for time, done as:

3 x through:

10 air squats + 50 fly
10 pull outs + 50 back
10 push ups + 50 breast
10 crunches + 50 free

(didn't indicate an interval)

For Jazz:

This is what Cross Fit says about squatting:

Why Squat?
The squat is essential to your well-being. The squat can both greatly improve your athleticism and keep your hips, back, and knees sound and functioning in your senior years. Not only is the squat not detrimental to the knees it is remarkably rehabilitative of cranky, damaged, or delicate knees. In fact, if you do not squat, your knees are not healthy regardless of how free of pain or discomfort you are. This is equally true of the hips and back.

The squat is no more an invention of a coach or trainer than is the hiccup or sneeze. It is a vital, natural, functional, component of your being.
The squat, in the bottom position, is nature’s intended sitting posture (chairs are not part of your biological make-up), and the rise from the bottom to the stand is the biomechanically sound method by which we stand-up. There is nothing contrived or artificial about this movement.

Most of the world’s inhabitants sit not on chairs but in a squat. Meals, ceremonies, conversation,
gatherings, and defecation are all performed bereft of chairs or seats. Only in the industrialized world do we find the need for chairs, couches, benches, and stools. This comes at a loss of functionality that contributes immensely to decrepitude.
Frequently, we encounter individuals whose doctor or chiropractor has told them not to squat.

In nearly every instance this is pure ignorance on the part of the practitioner. When a doctor that
doesn’t like the squat is asked, “by what method should your patient get off of the toilet?” they are at a loss for words.
In a similarly misinformed manner we have heard trainers and health care providers suggest that the knee should not be bent past 90 degrees. It’s entertaining to ask proponents of this view to sit on the ground with their legs out in front of them and then to stand
without bending the legs more than 90 degrees. It can’t be done without some grotesque bit of contrived movement. The truth is that getting up off of the floor involves a force on at least one knee that is substantially greater than the squat. Our presumption is that those who counsel against the squat are either just repeating nonsense they’ve heard in the media or at the gym, or in their clinical practice they’ve encountered people who’ve injured themselves squatting incorrectly.
It is entirely possible to injure yourself squatting incorrectly, but it is also exceedingly easy to bring the squat to a level of safety matched by walking. In the accompanying article we explain how that is done.

On the athletic front, the squat is the quintessential hip extension exercise, and hip extension is the foundation of all good human
movement. Powerful, controlled hip extension is necessary and nearly sufficient for elite athleticism. “Necessary” in that without powerful, controlled hip extension you are not functioning anywhere near your potential. “Sufficient” in the sense that everyone we’ve
met with the capacity to explosively open the hip could also run, jump, throw, and punch with impressive force.
Secondarily, but no less important, the squat is among those exercises eliciting a potent neuroendocrine response. This benefit is ample reason for an exercise’s inclusion in your regimen.

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Next meet: Albatross Open

http://www.pvmasters.org/albatross.htm

Unlike Chris, I'm knocking off weights the week before, not one measly day. Will rest some next week. Nothing that will produce homicidal thoughts though.

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Updated March 10th, 2009 at 05:52 PM by The Fortress

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  1. qbrain's Avatar
    Lots of people consider me weak, so the crossfitters can get in line

    I will be very interested to see if you can talk yourself into a bath of ice again. Oh the willpower you will need.
  2. Ahelee Sue Osborn's Avatar
    Hey Leslie -
    That CrossFit Swim set is 3 times straight through for time - no breaks!!


    When we coach it, the worst thing is watching swimmers so worried (racing) about the time, that they rush the exercises and their form is not legal.
    CHEATERS!

    You might get some takers to compete & post up times.

    When it was in the mag people were emailing me about all the fun they had doing it!

    P.S. I am totally weak on pushups, but I can scream through pullouts!
    In the end, I am ALWAYS sore for days from this stuff!
  3. The Fortress's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by qbrain
    Lots of people consider me weak, so the crossfitters can get in line

    I will be very interested to see if you can talk yourself into a bath of ice again. Oh the willpower you will need.
    Went to the grocery. Completely forgot to buy a bag of ice.

    Do you think I can be mocked into a repeat, eh?
  4. quicksilver's Avatar
    Just saw the crossfit link you posted and watched their workout.
    OMGoodness.

    These girls are fierce.
    http://www.crossfit.com/cf-info/what-crossfit.html
  5. The Fortress's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ahelee Sue Osborn
    Hey Leslie -
    That CrossFit Swim set is 3 times straight through for time - no breaks!!!
    No breaks between rounds? Hmmmm ... that seems more distance oriented. I reserve the right to take as much time as I want between rounds. Hard 200s are killers. I still haven't mentally recovered from the trauma of my first 200 IM, girl.

    Quick, don't know if you saw the three links I posted from Paul Smith last week ... crazy!
  6. qbrain's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by The Fortress
    Went to the grocery. Completely forgot to buy a bag of ice.

    Do you think I can be mocked into a repeat, eh?
    Purely a psychological study. I don't have a side bet with Stud or anything on you doing a repeat ice bath or anything.
  7. Jazz Hands's Avatar
    That's a good write-up of why squatting is safe. Doesn't make Crossfit less crazy, though. For example,

    Only in the industrialized world do we find the need for chairs, couches, benches, and stools. This comes at a loss of functionality that contributes immensely to decrepitude.
    I happen to like furniture, and I will keep my full squatting confined to the weight room.
  8. Bobinator's Avatar
    Okay Fort, I keep reading about crossfit on your blog so I checked out the site.
    That's pretty interesting stuff. I have to go to practice right now but before bed tonight I will thoroughly check this out.
    I like the way the site is "set up" and labeled.
    I thought this was going to be some expensive piece of equipment, but I think I have just about everything i need to do most of this stuff.
    My new goal is to "buff up the bobinator!"
  9. The Fortress's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by qbrain
    Purely a psychological study. I don't have a side bet with Stud or anything on you doing a repeat ice bath or anything.
    Not a very interesting psychological study! I generally will do things that result in a reduction of pain. I'm logical like that.
  10. The Fortress's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Bobinator
    Okay Fort, I keep reading about crossfit on your blog so I checked out the site.
    That's pretty interesting stuff. I have to go to practice right now but before bed tonight I will thoroughly check this out.
    I like the way the site is "set up" and labeled.
    I thought this was going to be some expensive piece of equipment, but I think I have just about everything i need to do most of this stuff.
    My new goal is to "buff up the bobinator!"
    Great! Don't think you can digest it in one sitting though. I started looking at the nutrition info and got glazed eyes from overload ...

    I think you can do most of it at home or in the gym. You don't need to go to one of their "studios," although I guess that's where the competition aspect of the training occurs.
  11. Jazz Hands's Avatar
    Fort,

    Here's my analysis of Crossfit as it applies to swimming, since I think you are dangerously close to wasting a lot of time and effort on it.

    Swimmers need to be strong. Getting strong requires training according to proven strength training principles, to build muscle and neural efficiency. Yes, build muscle. Don't be afraid of it.

    Swimmers also need conditioning, i.e. endurance training. This is best done in the pool, where it overlaps with sport-specific skill training, but it can also be done outside the pool if you hate swimming or something.

    Swimmers do not need to speed squat, cheat pull-up, and run their way to exhaustion just because Crossfit says it's "natural" or "functional". Crossfit claims that they train for general fitness, as opposed to specific fitness. A Crossfitter, the story goes, will not excel at anything, but will be good at everything. This is false, but even if it were true, why would a swimmer pursue this? Swimmers want to excel at swimming!

    Now, why the claim is false. Training effects are overwhelmingly specific to training activities. The biggest performance gain from doing whatever stupid things Crossfit tells you to do: doing these same stupid things the next time Crossfit tells you to do them. Crossfit workouts rarely include swimming, and I bet Crossfitters suck at swimming, despite their amazing "fitness."

    Cross-training effects do exist, but only when there is a particular athletic quality that is underdeveloped by training the primary sport. That's why we lift weights: swimming does not provide the necessary overload to increase strength to an optimal level. Weights fill this gap. Flexibility training is the same way. If, for some reason, you feel like you can't get good enough aerobic conditioning from swimming, you might want to do outside aerobic training. But the point is always filling the gap. What gap does Crossfit fill? By Crossfit's own definition as a well-rounded fitness program, no gap at all. You can't do one thing well if you're trying to do everything at the same time.
    Updated March 10th, 2009 at 06:49 PM by Jazz Hands
  12. The Fortress's Avatar
    Don't think I'm teetering on the precipice quite yet, Jazz. lol. It just looks fun.

    Don't see how doing it in lieu of your sport helps, as you say. I'd never do that. It's more like cross training, and I generally need to do some of that for my mental and shoulder health. Don't know if you can pick and choose Cross Fit exercises to do to complement a traditional weight training program or not. Clearly, it could be done in lieu of a traditional weights, but not if, as you've said, strength is your key goal. Maybe it'd be a nice break if one were starting a new training cycle and wanted to make a change.

    Do you think the work listed above with pullup, pushup etc is a bad one if you didn't want to just lift weights in the gym?
  13. Ahelee Sue Osborn's Avatar
    Interesting reading Jazz’ take on CrossFit training. I was introduced to CF while coaching here in Orange County, CA. I realize this area is considered one of the trendiest fitness locations in the country and it is true, you can find anything around here!

    While I don’t belong to one of “the boxes” nor do I work regularly with a CF coach, there are several triathletes and runners who happen to also swim masters who do subscribe to CF. I have watched them get stronger and faster before my eyes over the past year. I don’t know of any high level swimmer training at CF, but that is not to say there are none.

    I do appreciate some of the core work and dry land exercise CF utilizes.
    As I have stated before, I have never been a weight training type of athlete. But the introduction of combining these exercises with swim sessions in sets was great for me. I most definitely felt a benefit (large time drops) quickly when I started last year.

    My dilemma has been that I swim in meets quite often. This dry land work makes me very sore. I haven’t gotten to the level in this training to avoid it and do not like to swim in meets feeling so broken down.
    Masters is fun for me and I love swimming fast.
    I don’t want to feel physically miserable for days like I often did in my years of triathlon training.
    I love training and I work very hard in the pool. But I’m not suffering for my sport. Well, not exactly J

    I thought Fort would enjoy the CF Journal and all the great feedback posted daily on the CF website.
    She has a knack for sorting through the stacks of material, asking the right questions, and making us all discuss it with her. I’m sure we’ll all find ways to improve on what we’re doing with cross-training now.
    Perhaps CF is just another one of many steps toward a new slew of Top Ten and FINA Rankings next year for all of us.

    Masters swimmers are going to benefit in a big way with Fort’s curiosity and intelligence through her revealing blog and discussions.
  14. tjrpatt's Avatar
    I couldn't do a pull up to save my life!!!
  15. qbrain's Avatar
    The best threads are in Fort's comments. Nice job!

    Back to the study. The question boils down to, is the ice bath worth the pain in the ass that it is supposed to help?

    Jazz has a point with the all around approach, but I do think there is an amazing mental component to the crossfit approach that would carry over to the pool, if you trained in one of the crossfit groups. I also think it is the type of strength training that would appeal to the ADD types (sorry Fort), who would pull their hair out rather than do the same workout over and over.

    Ahelee FINALLY reveals why she is so much faster than me. Sneaky crossfit training made her 200 free blazing.

    Tom, you should really be able to do a pullup. Fort can do a pull up and ...
  16. Iwannafly's Avatar
    Fort, for a real ice bath, you'll need much more than ONE bag of ice. For a good ice bath, you want mostly ice and enough water to make good contact with your skin. 15 minutes!!! You just have to imagine how much better your hip is going to feel afterward!;-)
    I've only ever done it up to my knees, so I can't claim superiority. It hurts like hell.
  17. tjrpatt's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by qbrain

    Tom, you should really be able to do a pullup. Fort can do a pull up and ...
    Well, maybe I can do one. I am built like a NFL Middlelinebacker so there is alot of weight to pullup!
  18. qbrain's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by tjrpatt
    Well, maybe I can do one. I am built like a NFL Middlelinebacker so there is alot of weight to pullup!
    And that's my hint to stop making fun of Tom!
  19. Ahelee Sue Osborn's Avatar
    I can do 51 PULLOUTS (in & out of the pool done on my birthday) but less than 10 PULLUPS on a bar!

    After 10 PUSHUPS I am pretty much a shaking mess. Like PLANKS better.
    But I was a lot worse last year!

    Fort thinks my arms are skinny but most everyone else tells me I am buff...

    Most all the CrossFit athletes I have met who are really into it - are ADD or seem close.

    And they all know how to seriously ROAR and cheer each other through to the finish of sets they never imagined being able to accomplish. Love it when they bring that enthusiasm to the pool!

    I don't see why Fort has to sit in a whole bath of ice for her hip. That sounds like misery OW training to me.
  20. The Fortress's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Ahelee Sue Osborn
    I do appreciate some of the core work and dry land exercise CF utilizes. As I have stated before, I have never been a weight training type of athlete. But the introduction of combining these exercises with swim sessions in sets was great for me. I most definitely felt a benefit (large time drops) quickly when I started last year.

    My dilemma has been that I swim in meets quite often. This dry land work makes me very sore. I haven’t gotten to the level in this training to avoid it and do not like to swim in meets feeling so broken down.

    I thought Fort would enjoy the CF Journal and all the great feedback posted daily on the CF website. She has a knack for sorting through the stacks of material, asking the right questions, and making us all discuss it with her.
    I think the CF type training would benefit you very much as you DO have skinny arms, aren't lifting weights, and have that ironman background. If swimmers dislike weights or need a break, CF seems like a good alternative. Now, whether it helps people already lifting or sprinters in particular is another question. Clearly, it's a breath of fresh air for us ADD types, a malady well recognized on the forum as characterizing us sprinters!

    (Now my first sentence above has me wondering whether traditional weight training would help your type skinny/weak (lol) more or my type (mesomorphic/trying to be "not weak"). Who can make bigger strength gains and who can translate it better to their races?

    I cannot tolerate being super sore for meets either and can't recall ever being so. (Now, that is wholly apart from being tired, sleepy and dizzy. ) I do a 3 day mini taper (maybe even 5) for every meet I swim in. There was a thread on "resting for meets" on the forum many months ago. I recall Al Jaeger poking a bit of fun at folks (big "egos" I think was the phrase, lol) who take pride in not resting. So carry on with enjoying your meets. I certainly intend to.

    The "knack" you refer to, I fear, is my legal training. Since I practice law so little now, I take my analytical skills out on swimming topics. (Little burned out on politics after the pre-election FB debates!)
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