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Getting De-All'd

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If you have ever been the victim of rule-mongering bureaucracy run amuk, and would like some misery to provide you a little company, grab a shawl and settle in for the blood-boiling pleasures of my most recent experience at the hands of our beloved "We do it all for the swimmers" organization!

Yes, my swimming comrades! I have been officially De-All Americanized five weeks after the Top 10 listings became official!

http://byjimthornton.com/2013/01/22/the-rise-and-fall-of-an-all-american/

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  1. Water Rat's Avatar
    Seriously???? I wish you were joking.
    You're still an All-American in my book.
    I do agree with you that something in the process of certifying a meet should ensure that a proper measurement is on file. That would seem a very easy detail to confirm. These things should NOT be done after the fact. EVER.
  2. jim thornton's Avatar
    Thanks, Mark! It helps that I am in your house while everyone is out, it's nice and quiet here, I have 7 different tv's to choose from, and there is plenty to eat! Can you ask the girls to whisper when they get home from school? Usually, I adore their after-school spirited chirrups of delight, but I might be napping in the crawl space. It's a little embarrassing to admit, but I have been hitting your booze pretty heavily since my All American status was yanked!
  3. Water Rat's Avatar
    Completely understandable Jim. I'll have the girls deliver u a Capri sun to mix with ur vodka. We get the organic kind so no preservatives for u. Can you do me a favor and not admit your disgrace to Georgia as you, an actual all-American, officially recognized albeit briefly, have replaced me in her esteem. I can't have her spirits crushed by your chicanery. Just take solace that justice was rendered swiftly in your case lest you face the unwelcome stare of a post-lance Oprah, looking to silence her journalistic critics that she's a lightweight.
  4. thewookiee's Avatar
    Jim, sorry to read about your rule screwing by usms. If the pool had actually been measured a month or so after the meet and your times not counted, that would be one thing. But the fact that someone decided it needed to be done several months after the meet, after the list was finalized, that is absurb.

    If usms f'ed up by not checking with the pool last year, then you shouldn't be penalized for their mistakes. There was a long period between the prelim so the top ten and the final version that this should have been checked or checked before the meet ever started.

    I am sorry that you got bent over the table and screwed by the organization.
  5. scyfreestyler's Avatar
    Sorry to hear about your misfortune brought about by a mistake made by others.

    I was under the impression that without a pool measurement on file with the LMSC/USMS, the meet director would need to make note of such issue on the meet sheet. Perhaps this is a rule that I created in my head, who knows. Having heard of these issues so many times around here on USMS.ORG, I had our pool measured by an engineering firm before submitting a request for sanction with USMS. I'd hate to be responsible for what has happened to your AA status.
  6. The Fortress's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by thewookiee
    Jim, sorry to read about your rule screwing by usms. If the pool had actually been measured a month or so after the meet and your times not counted, that would be one thing. But the fact that someone decided it needed to be done several months after the meet, after the list was finalized, that is absurb.

    If usms f'ed up by not checking with the pool last year, then you shouldn't be penalized for their mistakes. There was a long period between the prelim so the top ten and the final version that this should have been checked or checked before the meet ever started.

    I am sorry that you got bent over the table and screwed by the organization.
    Agree with Wook.

    This is one of the worst F ups ever bc USMS allowed the time to become final.
  7. fdtotten's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Water Rat
    You're still an All-American in my book.
    Absolutely. I hope that you keep trying.

    "Never assume the obvious is true."
    William Safire
  8. magick17's Avatar
    This sucks! I mean I was always like hey kids, look over there,that's Jim the all American......I feel bad for you!
    and nevermind the kids....like mark said you're still #1!
  9. rodent's Avatar
    If USMS made it official can they make it "unofficial"? What are the grounds to remove an official swim after it has been published. I assume they did not cite a rule in their email to you. NBAC says that the pool is the proper length with water in it and your measurement was made in an empty pool. If USMS wants to follow rules it should work both ways.
    I think your 200 SCM free time will hold up as #1. Your 1:01.4 was a great swim, probably 2nd fastest in the world last year for men 60-64 years old.
  10. rodent's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by The Fortress
    Agree with Wook.

    This is one of the worst F ups ever bc USMS allowed the time to become final.
    Previously I thought the worst was when USMS refused to accept the times of USMS swimmers in the last two Canadian Nationals. Those courses were accurate. This is just as bad. USMS has Top 10 submission dates and publication dates. Jim's times were published and "official". Now, long after those dates, USMS has changed its mind.
    USMS had ample opportunity to investigate the course prior to the publication date. In fairness to Jim they should not remove the time after they publish it. Jim was not at fault.
    Updated January 23rd, 2013 at 11:12 PM by rodent