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    Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    I'm not a big fan of short course meters meets. Maybe its my American bias, but I prefer the USA Swimming season format with two fairly distinct seasons - SCY (Fall thru Spring) and LCM (Spring/Summer). With limited meets to participate in (especially in the Northeast), I would prefer that the options were not even more diluted by short course meters meets. I would think that many Masters swimmers in the US (who mostly grew up in 25 yard pools) would agree. Just wondering what everybody else thinks.

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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    As much as I like SCY, I think we need to get with the rest of the world and go SCM and LCM.

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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    Quote Originally Posted by bbpolhill View Post
    I'm not a big fan of short course meters meets. Maybe its my American bias, but I prefer the USA Swimming season format with two fairly distinct seasons - SCY (Fall thru Spring) and LCM (Spring/Summer). With limited meets to participate in (especially in the Northeast), I would prefer that the options were not even more diluted by short course meters meets. I would think that many Masters swimmers in the US (who mostly grew up in 25 yard pools) would agree. Just wondering what everybody else thinks.
    I prefer SCM. And it's our only chance to compete virtually against the rest of the world. In fact, I feel like the vast majority of masters meets are in SCY. I'd like more SCM and more LCM meets and a longer LCM season. Our LCM season is really summer only here unless you swim in USA meets.

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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    Quote Originally Posted by pwolf66 View Post
    As much as I like SCY, I think we need to get with the rest of the world and go SCM and LCM.
    Where are all those SCM pools going to come from, though? I think the reason most meets are SCY is by far most pools are SCY.

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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    Love SCM and glad that we have such a great network of regional meets running that format.
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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    Quote Originally Posted by knelson View Post
    Where are all those SCM pools going to come from, though? I think the reason most meets are SCY is by far most pools are SCY.

    True and that is a limiting factor but there are frequently SCY meets held at facilities that can accomodate SCM too. I'm not saying that we can eliminate SCY, that can not happen until there are enough SCM facilities to fill in but there can be a _much_ lower emphasis on SCY in the US that is there currently.

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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    we don't have SCY over here, so getting rid of SCM would mean only LCM.....no thanks

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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    Quote Originally Posted by pwolf66 View Post
    True and that is a limiting factor but there are frequently SCY meets held at facilities that can accomodate SCM too.
    That's why I've suggested the Sprint Classic be held in SCM instead of SCY. But there is a perception that SCY is more popular. The meet director may be surveying people tomorrow on this issue.

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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    Here is why I hate SCM.

    I don't train it EVER. All the pools in my area are set up SCY or LCM.

    Also, there are very few SCM meets in my area. There are NONE in GA this year. I have to travel 3.5 to 4 hours to Columbia, SC and 10 hrs (if driving) to Coral Springs to get 2 days meets.

    Poor accessibility - for training and meets.

    Here's why I like it. It's easier to place high in Top 10. I think others suffer from the training and meet options as well.

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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    My favorite is LCM,but at least here it is easier to find SCM meets.I prefer SCM to SCY because there is a little more opportunity to swim instead of just turn.With SCM you can compare yourself to the rest of the world,where as only the US swims SCY.I also like our having 3 separate seasons.
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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    It would be terribly provincial of us to get rid of SCM. I would prefer to get rid of SCY...if most of our pools (and Kirk pointed out) weren't 25yd.

    I wish there were more SCM meets. I also like resting for a meet in December, otherwise there is too long a time between rested meets in August and May. (Part of that is because our SCY nationals are SO LATE in the season...I wouldn't care about resting in December if nats were in March.)

    Interestingly, our local summer league swimming is mostly SCM. Kind of odd.

    I also like swimming/racing SCM a little better than SCY. Turns are still important but you have a little more time between them to get into a rhythm.

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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    It will be a great day when all SCY pools are dug up and replaced with SCM.

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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    I love SCM. Where else does a paltry non-age group swimmer such as myself stand a shot of a 10th place Top Ten time?

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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    Quote Originally Posted by aquaFeisty View Post
    I love SCM. Where else does a paltry non-age group swimmer such as myself stand a shot of a 10th place Top Ten time?
    Same here!

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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    Interesting responses...not what I would have thought.

    I guess I wasn't looking for idealism, but rather practicality.

    It would seem that without the backing of USA Swimming, NCAA Swimming, and a turnaround in the facility availability - the US will be linked to yards for some time. It would be interesting to find out what percentage of all pools in the US could host LCM, SCM, and SCY meets. In addition, I would like to see those statistics by LMSC or LSC and by pool age.

    Does anyone foresee USA Swimming or NCAA swimming ever moving away from SCY?

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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    I guess I wouldn't mind it if I had a pool to practice SCM in... it's a mental thing when you switch courses and you didn't train in the appropriate pool.
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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    Changing short course distances is more than mental. Well, at least for me. I perform the way I practice.

    When changing distances I misjudge turns, splits, and energy expenditure. I have a good 87 yard fly in me. Short course meters just brings out my failings to a greater extent.

    I still like the distance changes. I crack myself up when my body is expecting the wall of relief, yet it is so far far away.

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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    Not to change the subject but, do any of you know the results for the 2008 TYR Masters Grand Prix?

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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    Since one of our pools is SCM, I love swimming it. We always have a leg up.

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    Re: Not a Fan of Short Course Meters Season

    Quote Originally Posted by aquageek View Post
    It will be a great day when all SCY pools are dug up and replaced with SCM.
    It would even be a better day if all the SCY & SCM pools were dug up and replaced with a LMC pool that can easily be configured to SCY or SCM.

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