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    MCATs?

    I graduated in May with an advertising degree, so I'm thinking of med school.

    Has anyone ever taken the MCATs or know someone whose taken them? What can you expect? How hard are they really?

    Thanks!!

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    Re: MCATs?

    I took them in 1970 so I doubt my experience is too relevant,but I found them not unlike the SATs in difficulty except for more emphasis on science.
    Good luck.
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    http://www.studentdoctor.net


    Try the website above. It is also called sdn.net. It is for students who want to become doctors and includes undergraduates and those applying immediately to med school.

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    Never took them, but have known quite a few who did. Lots of chem and biology, meaning you will probably want to go through a formal school program somewhere if those subjects are not easily accessible to you. There is a review test book for MCATs (as for LSATs, GREs, etc.). The sample questions will show you what you are up against. BTW, some schools, such as Bryn Mawr, have an extended MD program that is specifically intended for liberal arts people w/o background in sciences. Yes, the MCATs are hard. Entering medicine is a major life choice.

    Good luck!

    P.S. If you go this route, think of volunteering in a real capacity, such as ER Saturday nights, at a hospital. It will tell you quite a bit about the nitty-gritty, and also tells those reading your apps something about your commitment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seagurl51 View Post
    I graduated in May with an advertising degree, so I'm thinking of med school.

    Alas, a sad testimony about the state of medicine today. I doubt you meant this intentionally, but a cynical sort such as myself might prefer to have read:

    I have wanted to comfort the sick and heal the unwell all my life, so I graduated in May with a degree in humanities and basic sciences. I am thinking of med school

    Instead, I read between the lines and think you mean,

    I graduated in May with an advertising degree, and see where the Big Money in the future is peddling borderline worthless pharmaceuticals, medical devices, and other interventions that I am sure I can talk people into mortgaging their homes to buy! I want to be rich beyond my wildest dreams, and American medicine is that last frontier of unregulated human exploitation. So I was thinking of going to med school...

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    Thanks for the feedback everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim thornton View Post
    Alas, a sad testimony about the state of medicine today. I doubt you meant this intentionally, but a cynical sort such as myself might prefer to have read:

    I have wanted to comfort the sick and heal the unwell all my life, so I graduated in May with a degree in humanities and basic sciences. I am thinking of med school

    Instead, I read between the lines and think you mean,

    I graduated in May with an advertising degree, and see where the Big Money in the future is peddling borderline worthless pharmaceuticals, medical devices, and other interventions that I am sure I can talk people into mortgaging their homes to buy! I want to be rich beyond my wildest dreams, and American medicine is that last frontier of unregulated human exploitation. So I was thinking of going to med school...
    hahaha should have been more like graduted with a degree in advertising in May and can't find a job for the life of me and might as well go back to school and at least medicine is a guranteed job when you get done. I don't have to go to med school to peddle pharmaceuticals...I'd just need a few more science classes. And hopefully it's not totally irrelevant, my mom is a physician's assistant and I've considered being a doctor when I was younger. It is a little late in the game though...I do understand that...This is one of my other options I've been considering though I will admit probably the most "far-fetched".
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    The MCAT is a difficult exam--you will need a solid foundation in Biology, Chemistry, and Physics, and you will also be tested on reading comprehension and analytical skills. It is by no means too late for you to consider medical school, but you need a clear vision as to why you want to be a doctor. Some health care experience would be useful--even volunteer work at a local hospital. You will need to convince an admissions committee that you deserve a spot.

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    There are lots of jobs in allied health professions, including nursing - a profession always in demand - and public health. There is also health care IT. Medical writing and editing (think hospital newsletters).

    All fields have screens. I can't tell you how many jobs I was automatically screened out of because I did not have a background in advertising or marketing. If you are in or near a large city, there are temp agencies at which an advertising degree boosts you considerably up the ladder.

    I met a person in advertising who went to law school and specialized in intellectual property law. That seemed a remarkably good progression. Her practical experience in the field was an asset.

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    Re: MCATs?

    One of the most overlooked of the medical professions is "beloved fake doctor."

    I have been working to achieve this status for years, and there are a few people, albeit bumptiously optimistic ones without capacity for sound judgment, who already believe me to be one.

    Usually, what is required to achieve this status is to move to a small town in some boondocky kind of hamlet, hang out a shingle proclaiming yourself a medical doctor (do not skimp on the purchase of a good shingle; obviously cheap ones can raise suspicions), and then begin dispensing medical advice couched in generally positive tones while handing out red and blue placebo pills (I often use generic M & M's for this purpose).

    Example:

    Patient: "Well, Doc Jimbo, got me the rheumatism agin and my toe's done plumb acting up sump'n fierce. The sumbitch kept me up all night."

    Doc Jimbo: "Does it hurt here?" (Palpates toe gently')

    Patient: "Yowwww!"

    Doc Jimbo: "Okay, Abner, I think what you have this time is metacarpasial podiatric inflammatory tendinosis with a touch of the vapours. It's nothing serious, and it will get better in time. You do need to be patient. Here, take three of these every four hours"--{Doc Jimbo hands Abner a vial of blue generic M & M's}--"and have your wife massage this on your big toe before bed"--{hands Abner a baggie filled with extracted Ben Gay ointment}. "Oh, and Abner, this unguent is NOT Viagra. Make sure you wife keeps it off Lil' Abner or you will feel like you've dipped your rod in the Lake of Fire."

    Patient: "Doc Jimbo, you are the best! A godsend to Hell Holler if ever'n there be one!"

    Doc Jimbo: "Nonsense, Abner! I am just a simple medical man and graduate of Harvard Community College of Healing Arts! There are many, many men like me in this world!"

    Patient: "Don't believe it for a second, Doc Jimbo! You want me to leave the payment in the same place as always?"

    Doc Jimbo: "Sure, Abner. But would you mind butchering the chicken this time? I can't stand the sight of blood!"

    Patient: "Lordy be! Doc Jimbo says he cain't stand the sight o' blood! A godsend, you are. Truly a godsend."

    The sound of a chicken having its head lopped off, followed by ten minutes of frenzied chicken scratching sounds as it runs around in decapitated state till the ghost finally is given up.

    .....

    The great thing about being a beloved fake doctor, SeaGurl, is that when the authorities come to arrest you--and they will come--you can count on all the patients who have survived your care to take up small arms in your defense.

    Say what you want about modern "real" doctors, but I haven't met a board certified proctologist yet with so much as a single patient willing to take up weapons to keep him out of jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim thornton View Post
    I have been working to achieve this status for years, and there are a few people, albeit bumptiously optimistic ones without capacity for sound judgment, who already believe me to be one.
    Who are you and what cruel game are you playing?

    Everyone knows that Jim Thornton was killed and eaten by rabid marmots when he was dropped off in the wilderness for some magazine assignment. We (the members of USMS) even had a memorial ceremony where we symbolically laid Jim to rest at the most exclusive municipal landfill in the Pittsburgh area - nothing was too good for Jim. We even paid Libby Ellen Spooner to come and sing Jim's favorite song, "Barnacle Bill the Sailor."

    I even hear that Sewickley had a celebr... err ... day of mourning. The outpouring of grief was tremendous. When told of his death, one of Jim's neighbors was heard to mutter: "Well, it's about time. Figured some irate husband would shoot his @ss eventually. Guess it's safe to go outside again." When fellow master swimmer and Jim's friend (OK, it's a loose use of the term "friend"), a Ms. L. Livingston, was notified of Jim's demise, she was heard to say "Well, I guess we won't have to burn our guest house down now, although we'll have to have it deloused. Hey, let's go to lunch at that new Chinese place." A Ms. K.U. of Georgia was besides herself, saying: "Oh my God, NO! You mean to tell me that I spent a TON of money getting that restraining order and now it's all wasted?"

    The proof of his death was solid - authorities captured some marmots that were passing gas that smelled just like Jim's favorite aftershave. And yet, even despite that proof, there are still people who report sightings of Jim, similar to Elvis sightings, in places like a 7-11 in Muddy Gap, Wyoming and a convent in Madison, New Jersey. (Admittedly, the convent sighting has a certain air of authenticity to it.)

    So stop your cruel impersonation. Jim is gone. Poor, poor Jim. We'll never see his like again...


    sotto voce:... thank God.

    -LBJ

    P.S. To SeaGurl51 - You aren't too old. The Court Without Appeal didn't start med school until she was 29.5 years old. She was a Political Science major and had to take an intensive 1 year course to get her sciences up to speed, but it worked. She ultimately couldn't finish due to a severe health problem. Also, a friend of ours didn't start until she was about 35.


    ... poor, poor Jim.....
    "Excitable boy" they all said.

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    Leonard,

    Take four of these red pills every half hour. Do NOT chew them because they taste horrible. Just swallow. Then repeat.

    You will feel better in a couple weeks and may even find yourself gaining some weight critical to surviving the harsh winter to come.

    Reports of my demise are premature, though I concede it is possible I took a couple marmot war brides when I was out there in the wilderness.

    When I do die, which will probably come fairly soon, within the next 50-75 years, I have arranged for Kristina and Stephanie to don Speedos and stilettos and to dispatch me like a baby hamster, filming the dispatch procedure, and posting the crush video as my final (and likely to be most popular) vlog.

    I will keep you posted.

    If only your wife had consulted with me before quitting medical school. I have a special unguent she could have used on you. This would have prevented the horrible exhaustion you almost certainly subjected the poor girl to.

    That will be one chicken, thank you, killed. Leave it in the usual spot.

    Doc Jimbo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seagurl51 View Post
    Has anyone ever taken the MCATs or know someone whose taken them? What can you expect? How hard are they really?
    Sometimes in the summer I teach an MCAT review class in General Chemistry. I think they are substantially harder then SATs or GREs. Dunno if you need a Kaplan-type course, it depends on how well you study on your own.

    But the types of materials they sell (the books and practice tests) are WELL worth it. I like the Examkrackers books but to each his own.

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    Seagurl, not all is lost. A couple of thoughts before leaving today's idea: read a few of the many books on what med school is like, volunteer at a hospital, and - the best test - ride a city bus for 4 hours. Look at the people on the bus. They will be in your waiting room. Do you want to be their doctor?

    An advertising degree will also take you to business school, into intellectual property practice, and to library school. Today's librarians do a tremendous number of interesting projects. Some are IT specialists and create Web sites for private corporations. Others are rare book and print librarians and set up licensing agreements and do archival research on, say, books of photographs taken in Egypt in the 1870s. Some write books.

    Every hospital has a PR department; you might like that, if the hospital environment attracts you, and take the opportunity to slink around med students and deans to see what is what.

    Publishing is not out of the question, altho' the publishing industry falls flat on its face with regularity. Medicins sans Frontieres has a big publishing program that is run out of DC or NY. DC has a number of fascinating institutions that do publishing and generally have an archivist or librarian on staff. Or perhaps you could work for Bill Gates. The Council on Foundations (online site) lists all the foundation jobs in the U.S. Geneva is world HQ for a number of interesting orgs, like UNICEF.

    Back to medicine: public health does not, AFAIK, require the chem background; it is more policy-oriented, and the ability to educate and persuade people thru words and images is important.

    Med schools are often colonized by a) ppl who have wanted to be doctors since they were in utero, VERY FREQUENTLY because their parents were, and b) ppl who completed an advanced degree in the sciences and saw how difficult the job market was and that they could expect to have no life, ever, if they did succeed in getting a position as a scientist. Really. Witness all the M.S.-prepared people in med school. It's extremely competitive. It's not impossible. I like Gull's answer, but also wished to suggest the many, many alternative avenues that may not be visible to you now.


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    Take a Kaplan course especially if you have no science background.

    Don't listen to Jimby's hating.

    If you have an ancestor that is Native American or other minority (not asian)--work it.

    Realize you will listen to people complaining and hating on you the rest of your life. On the positive side, there is always work.

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    Seagurl knows I am no hater!

    Mr. Duxon, er, I mean Dr. Dixson, sorry, knows, in point of fact, that I hate haters!

    Moreover, the reason that beloved fake doctors are beloved is because they manage to prosper outside the system about which Harvard's Arthur Barsky opined in a piece in the New England Journal of Medicine entitled the Paradox of Health:

    A giant "medical-industrial complex" has arisen, with each competing health care provider hell-bent on convincing prospective patients that "something is dangerously wrong, or about to go wrong, and that immediate steps must be taken to remedy the situation."

    We beloved fake doctors, on the other hand, take another tack:

    All's well, we whisper soothingly.
    Or at the very worst, all will be well.
    Even if this means that
    the Great Resting Reward might come
    a bit sooner than planned.


    Not a hater, me! A lover of all humanity, and even more so of womanity as such in epitomized by the Seagurls of the world!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim thornton View Post
    Seagurl knows I am no hater!

    Mr. Duxon, er, I mean Dr. Dixson, sorry, knows, in point of fact, that I hate haters!

    Moreover, the reason that beloved fake doctors are beloved is because they manage to prosper outside the system about which Harvard's Arthur Barsky opined in a piece in the New England Journal of Medicine entitled the Paradox of Health:

    A giant "medical-industrial complex" has arisen, with each competing health care provider hell-bent on convincing prospective patients that "something is dangerously wrong, or about to go wrong, and that immediate steps must be taken to remedy the situation."

    We beloved fake doctors, on the other hand, take another tack:

    All's well, we whisper soothingly.
    Or at the very worst, all will be well.
    Even if this means that
    the Great Resting Reward might come
    a bit sooner than planned.


    Not a hater, me! A lover of all humanity, and even more so of womanity as such in epitomized by the Seagurls of the world!
    While I suspect Dr. Barsky might be smoking something, I am too lazy to read the article. In case he is not, maybe you could help out then. I have 70,000/year swamping my ER saying there is something wrong. As a fake doctor you could calmly straighten their tousled hair while they lay gently in your lap, instruct them in a soft but firm whisper to close their eyes and go to the light.

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    Kurt, you are confusing Jim's oft-documented (by him) bedside manner that he employs in his (ahem!) romantic life with his newly-minted persona as a crusty rural practitioner of flim flammery. His 'go to the light' line is famous amongst highly offended female swimmers, but has had some impact on ponies.
    Life keeps throwing curve balls; the trick, I'm learning, is to duck...

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    ...and other barnyard animals.

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    I have a science background and I was the only one in my classes looking at law school. All I know was that I didn't stress a bit over the LSAT but the people taking the MCAT studied for it like crazy.

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