Results 1 to 14 of 14

Thread: How can I do significant progress in crawl

  1. #1
    Participating Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Location
    TG
    Posts
    4

    How can I do significant progress in crawl

    Hi,

    I have question how to improve speed in swimming - in my case it is crawl ?
    I have been swimming for 4 years. Since 2 years in local Masters Team and for me it's strange that in age category around 60-70 they can swim 100m in ~1:15sec but I swim only in 1:25-1:30. Don't mention about top swimmers, for me it is too much different.
    I feel quite fit and strong - 44 of age.

    Where is the most problem ? I guess - technique, but recently I feel much better catch and pull, but it is still too slow swimming. Even for 25m it is max 17:80sec from water start.

    What is the best training plan for crawl ? More swimming or swimming and the gym ? More mobility ( little problem for me ) ... ?
    Have I chance to achieve time close to 1 minute ever at this ege ?
    How ?


    Thanks in advance !
    grzybek

  2. #2
    Very Active Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2017
    Location
    Knoxville, TN
    Posts
    113

    Re: How can I do significant progress in crawl

    What are you doing, now? How many workouts per week, how much distance, what types, etc.? What is your stroke count? I'm not going to be the best person to answer you, but it is pretty hard to give you good feedback without any background.

  3. #3
    aka Elaine-iaK & Aqua Dog ElaineK's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Georgia
    Posts
    4,350

    Re: How can I do significant progress in crawl

    Quote Originally Posted by 67King View Post
    What are you doing, now? How many workouts per week, how much distance, what types, etc.? What is your stroke count? I'm not going to be the best person to answer you, but it is pretty hard to give you good feedback without any background.
    It's also hard to give feedback without video. Grzbyek, can you ask somebody to shoot a video of your stroke? If we can see what you are currently doing, we can give feedback on how you could improve your speed. Along with a training plan, improving technique is KEY to improving speed!
    http://ElaineiaKsTravels.wordpress.com

    ~ Believing in your dreams can be far more rewarding than living by your limitations ~Karla Peterson

  4. #4
    Participating Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Location
    TG
    Posts
    4

    Re: How can I do significant progress in crawl

    Quote Originally Posted by ElaineK View Post
    It's also hard to give feedback without video. Grzbyek, can you ask somebody to shoot a video of your stroke? If we can see what you are currently doing, we can give feedback on how you could improve your speed. Along with a training plan, improving technique is KEY to improving speed!
    Hi,

    Today evening I will try to post some video.
    I have some conlusions - not to high elbow above the water, not good EVF as well. Feel quite good catch but in the most powerful moment at the end of pull I "lost" the water from hand = not good push and slide.

    I swim minimum 3 times a week, can be more. Two times it is training in local Masters Team. Very good trainings but maybe too small technique corrections. Tasks, tasks, ... around 2,5-3km per 1,5h training. If I go alone I do rather technique excecises 45 min.

    Regards,
    grzybek

  5. #5
    Participating Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Location
    TG
    Posts
    4

    Re: How can I do significant progress in crawl

    Quote Originally Posted by ElaineK View Post
    It's also hard to give feedback without video. Grzbyek, can you ask somebody to shoot a video of your stroke? If we can see what you are currently doing, we can give feedback on how you could improve your speed. Along with a training plan, improving technique is KEY to improving speed!

    It is my video, not good quality but maybe you can say sth how to improve my swimming


    https://youtu.be/mQX2jadwx60

  6. #6
    aka Elaine-iaK & Aqua Dog ElaineK's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Georgia
    Posts
    4,350

    Re: How can I do significant progress in crawl

    Quote Originally Posted by grzybek View Post
    It is my video, not good quality but maybe you can say sth how to improve my swimming


    https://youtu.be/mQX2jadwx60


    Your streamline off the wall looked good!

    I'm not sure from this angle ( front-on view would be better), but it looks your right arm is pulling outside of your shoulder during the first half of the video
    (Your forearm angles out from your elbow on the pull instead of in). Both arms seem to be pulling a bit wide instead of more inside of your shoulders, and it looks like you are leading with your elbow instead of getting an early vertical forearm (EVF). You want to have your forearm angled down before you start your pull back.

    The video was shot with the lens zoomed in too far, so I am unable to see your entire body position. It looks to me like your legs may be sinking a bit rather than staying closer up to the surface. You want to feel like you are swimming "down hill" rather than the more up hill angle it looks like you are swimming now. Pressing your chest would help the hips and legs rise.

    Would it be possible to get another video with you swimming towards the camera and not zoomed in so much?

    I am not a coach, so I am hoping some of the coaches out there will add to what I have already written-- and correct me if I am wrong.


    Meanwhile, watch this video and compare it to yours:
    Last edited by ElaineK; April 16th, 2018 at 06:52 PM.
    http://ElaineiaKsTravels.wordpress.com

    ~ Believing in your dreams can be far more rewarding than living by your limitations ~Karla Peterson

  7. #7
    Very Active Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Atlanta, GA
    Posts
    168

    Re: How can I do significant progress in crawl

    The power phase of your pull should start at the front quadrant, but from the video it looks like your arm is almost halfway through the pull before you put any muscle into it.

  8. #8
    Very Active Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2017
    Location
    Knoxville, TN
    Posts
    113

    Re: How can I do significant progress in crawl

    Quote Originally Posted by grzybek View Post
    It is my video, not good quality but maybe you can say sth how to improve my swimming


    https://youtu.be/mQX2jadwx60
    Not a coach, but I see two things, well.....I think I do, that you need to work on.

    Your left hand has a lot of wasted effort. You are not pulling rearward, and keeping your hand in a plane. You are moving it back and forth a lot. You want to keep it in a single plane.

    You seem to lead your pull wiht your elbow, and not your hand. hnatkin mentioned quadrants. Maybe we're saying the same thing, I'm just not familiar with those semantics. But your pull should initiate with your hand. ONce it enters, well in front of you, those fingertips need to go down. Then you pull with your hand as you start to bend with your elbow and get your forearms engaged. The upper arm is the last and least important part to engage the water. It appears that you are initiating your pull with your upper arm, and don't get nearly enough pull with your hand and forearm. I've read it described thusly: Fingers below wrist, wrist below elbow.

  9. #9
    Very Active Member __steve__'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    s c
    Posts
    2,459
    Blog Entries
    735

    Re: How can I do significant progress in crawl

    I also started in my 40ís (41 and 3 months to be exactly)

    Watch videos of many different pros and note the things they have common, then find what you may be doing different (e.g., as mentioned, your elbows point down during the catch). Video yourself again and take note on what helps. Practice drills. Do 25m hand timed sprints. You can always upload more videos for additional suggestions if needed. If you havenít already, practice the other strokes. Definitely avoid anything leading to discomfort or irritation in joints.

    The training part itself is relatively very complicated, there are books available Maglischo ďSwimming FastestĒ is one, but reading it is more like studying for a course in college.

    Keep in mind the swimmers in their 60ís at 1 minute 100m may have spent 10,000 hours training in the pool dedicated to swimming fast. 10k hrs is 3x equivalent run time life of the engine in your car. You are doing quite good with just 4yrs. Itís a lot of effort, time, and thereís ups and downs in progress , but itís good for you and relatively inexpensive.
    Last edited by __steve__; April 18th, 2018 at 01:57 AM.

  10. #10
    Participating Member airborne18th's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    rehoboth beach, de
    Posts
    23

    Re: How can I do significant progress in crawl

    You have issues with your shoulder on the pull and are not setting up the arm on the catch.. but your fundamental issue is body position and rotation.

  11. #11
    aka Elaine-iaK & Aqua Dog ElaineK's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Location
    Georgia
    Posts
    4,350

    Re: How can I do significant progress in crawl

    Here is another good video I would recommend to learn the freestyle catch:

    http://ElaineiaKsTravels.wordpress.com

    ~ Believing in your dreams can be far more rewarding than living by your limitations ~Karla Peterson

  12. #12
    Participating Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2018
    Location
    TG
    Posts
    4

    Re: How can I do significant progress in crawl

    Thanks all of you very much !
    I was some days on the trip and must now analyse your responses How to improve now all of it ?
    I've been watching lots of videos but it is difficult to implement in the water



    Regards,
    grzybek

  13. #13
    Very Active Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2017
    Location
    Knoxville, TN
    Posts
    113

    Re: How can I do significant progress in crawl

    Quote Originally Posted by grzybek View Post
    Thanks all of you very much !
    I was some days on the trip and must now analyse your responses How to improve now all of it ?
    I've been watching lots of videos but it is difficult to implement in the water
    Don't try to implement everything you read at the same time. Only focus on one change for, say a week or so at a time. If you try to do too much, you'll find you are letting one thing slip while focusing on another. Make one change, get the muscle memory kicked in, then go to the next.

  14. #14
    Participating Member airborne18th's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2016
    Location
    rehoboth beach, de
    Posts
    23

    Re: How can I do significant progress in crawl

    Quote Originally Posted by 67King View Post
    Don't try to implement everything you read at the same time. Only focus on one change for, say a week or so at a time. If you try to do too much, you'll find you are letting one thing slip while focusing on another. Make one change, get the muscle memory kicked in, then go to the next.
    This is exactly correct. Swimming is like gymnastics and yoga. it is about progression and developing technique. And it is time.. time in the water... doing it right, and building the muscle memory. which takes alot of time as you get older. Which is why I always questioned the few hours at a swim clinic model to fix a stroke. Stroke development takes more than a few hours.

    The bigger problem is the endless amount of information on the internet. But you will get 1,000 opinions on it.

Similar Threads

  1. Front crawl
    By runnermint in forum General Swimming-Related Discussions
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: January 30th, 2009, 09:42 PM
  2. Crawl, advice for beginners?
    By Jigoro in forum General Swimming-Related Discussions
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: November 11th, 2007, 06:17 AM
  3. Help me with crawl pls
    By SwimStud in forum General Swimming-Related Discussions
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: December 6th, 2006, 09:32 PM
  4. Significant Other a Swimmer?
    By bbpolhill in forum General Swimming-Related Discussions
    Replies: 8
    Last Post: July 25th, 2006, 08:46 PM
  5. Significant Milestones
    By LindsayNB in forum General Swimming-Related Discussions
    Replies: 16
    Last Post: June 22nd, 2005, 02:22 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •