The Distance Lane

[tjrpatt]

I've never heard of it either. Cool stuff. I might repurpose it for the Butterfly Lane as a see-how-far-through-this-I-can-get type of set... I'd need far more rest, of course...



OK, I'M GOING, I'M GOING!!!

Make sure you don't take the easy way out and start with the 25 fly!

Gosh, I have no desire to do that set in fly but I have done that here and there but had no idea that it was called the Davis Mile.

[sjstuart]

I have done that set, too, but hadn't heard it named the Davis mile. We just call it a broken mile.

One way to do that set is with the odd reps done pull and the even ones swim. Not only does it conveniently add up to 1650, but the pull buoy is magically where you need it every time.

[Swimmy83843]

[QUOTE=That Guy;212677]I've never heard of it either. Cool stuff. I might repurpose it for the Butterfly Lane as a see-how-far-through-this-I-can-get type of set... I'd need far more rest, of course...
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We do this set quite a bit, I usally it it where i'm doing at least the last 25 of each distance fly. I am working toward a lot more fly, but it is hard to work in, I are trying not to affect lanemates too much and/or I just get lazy sometimes.

[knelson]

I did the Davis Mile last night. I screwed up somewhere because I thought I finished in 19:30. That would make my swimming time 17:50 and I don't think I was going that fast. It's possible I miscounted a 50 in there somewhere.

Doing the entire thing fly would be challenging, for sure.

[chaos]

couple of fun workouts this week:

wed: 90 min 6500yds
3000 on 40 min (hold 2/3/2 breathing pattern)
10x 150 pull on 2:00 (buoy only)
10x 200 on 2:50 (100 fr / 50 bk / 50 fr)

fri: 60 min 4000yds

1000 wu on 13:30
10x 150 on 2:00 (keep under 1:50)
10x 100 on 1:15 (keep under 1:10)
10x 50 on :35 (just make 'em)

[Calvin S]

yesterday 5/10 was as follows:

10x100 @1:10
300 FAST
100 smooth

8x100 @1:10
400 FAST
100 smooth

6x100 @1:10
500 FAST
100 smooth

4x100 @1:10
600 FAST
100 smooth

the 100s were hold a pace minimum of 5 seconds faster than the interval, while the 300, 400, 500, and 600 were fast holding a pace faster than that held on the previous 100s.

[ande]

Since we're at the beginning of a new season
I thought I'd bump all the lanes to see which one is winning

[couldbebetterfly]

Well it looks like I'm on my own here....

I did the Davis Mile this morning and its harder than it sounds. I finished in a collapsing heap in 24.24 so thats 22.44 total swim .

Any of you know if theis set should be used for regular training purposes, or is it best to do it every couple of months to see how you're progressing (or not)?

[geochuck]

A Davis mile 1650 yards, is it 110 yards short of a mile???

[ande]

thought I'd bump all the lanes to the front page to encourage folks to comment in their lanes

[lefty]

I think it was Kirk who suggested that you best average of 15 x 100's on 20-30 rest is a decent predictor of a timed 1500. I did the set twice and held right around 1:13 (just over), so that puts me around 18:20

I am doing the 1500 this weekend, so I'll report my results to indicate if this is a decent predictor (for myself at least).

My goal is 18:20.

[Chris Stevenson]

I think it was Kirk who suggested that you best average of 15 x 100's on 20-30 rest is a decent predictor of a timed 1500.

One of the coaches of the age-groupers (who share a pool with us masters) does the following as a test set. The interval gives 25-30 sec rest for most of the swimmers in the group.

Three sets of 10 x 100 on 1:30, des 1-3, hold 4-10 for best average.

He would tell them to take their HR at the end of each set, and would give them about 2 min recovery between sets. He records people's averages for each set.

The coach (Brent St. Pierre) thinks this set is a good indicator of aerobic swimming conditioning. He observed that many other coaches use some variation of a timed 3000 as a test but found that many non-D types have trouble with pacing: they either take it out too hard (and stop trying when the "fail" halfway thru the swim) or not hard enough (so that the performance is not a good predictor). He thinks his variation is good for a much wider range of swimmers.

And he gets to yell at swimmers to maintain or improve their average during that painful third set, to get every last drop of effort from them.

I agree with the value of the set. I find myself averaging right around my 1000 pace.

[ourswimmer]

A teammate and I did a set one day last spring that seems also to have been a good reflection of our paces for a 1650 race. The set was 21 x 100: 6 on 1:30, 5 on 1:25, 4 on 1:20, 3 on 1:15, 2 on 1:10, 1 AFAP. We chose the starting interval for the 6 x 100 so that the 2 x 100 would be on an interval that was no more than 5 seconds over the pace we wanted to hold for a 1650, and the goal for the set was to swim each 100 at or faster than the 1650 pace. His target race pace was a few seconds per 100 faster than mine, but on the other hand I was going second so I got some assist from drafting.

[jaadams1]

I almost had a major screw up today at my meet in Olympia. We arrived plenty early, about 8:15am at the pool, warmups were at 8:30, checkin by 8:45, meet starts at 9:00.

400 IM was the first race, 1 heat. I was in heat 2 of the 1650. While heat 1 of the 1650 was swimming, I suddenly realized that I had forgotten the step I was supposed to do by 8:45am (see above). CHECK IN!!! I completely missed this step, as I had entered the pool through an open side door, rather than the front door where I would have seen the check in table. OOPS!! I immediately went to the meet referee to see what was going to happen. He said that since there were only 12 participants in the race, they just left it seeded as it was with the 2 heats of 6 people. I got soooooo lucky.
I ended up with the 1650 of a masters lifetime...breaking my age group LMSC record by 6 seconds, and going an 18:07.57!
Let this be a lesson to all of you in the distance races...remember to check in for your events. I was very lucky this time, but it could have been worse!

Also, a big thanks to That Guy for counting my 66 lengths and not getting stuck on lap 43 as had been planned

[jaadams1]

Another way of breaking up a 1650 in practice rather than the traditional 11, 10, 9, ......2, 1, is doing like this:

2 x 300 @ 4:15
2 x 225 @ 2:45
2 x 150 @ 2:00
2 x 75 @ 1:00
2 x 50 @ :40
2 x 25 @ :20
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1650 @ 22:00

These are just the intervals I used in doing the set. I just hate counting lengths and taking xx seconds of rest. I'd rather have a set distance and interval time to keep me honest from just swimming slower as I got tired. This really make you get moving at the end of the 1650.

[ElaineK]

I ended up with the 1650 of a masters lifetime...breaking my age group LMSC record by 6 seconds, and going an 18:07.57!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

[smontanaro]

Another way of breaking up a 1650 in practice rather than the traditional 11, 10, 9, ......2, 1, is doing like this:

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I just hate counting lengths and taking xx seconds of rest. I'd rather have a set distance and interval time to keep me honest...

There was another way one of my previous coaches used to do these longer sets. I'm not sure I'm remembering it correctly, but it was a way to descend when the individual elements of the set weren't the same length. If your set was something like 400, 300, 200, 100, then you'd make an open turn after the first 100 of the 400, note the time for the last 300, then your 300 had to be faster then that. Note the time for the last 200 of the 300, then swim your 200 faster than that, etc.

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[That Guy]

I ended up with the 1650 of a masters lifetime...breaking my age group LMSC record by 6 seconds, and going an 18:07.57!
Also, a big thanks to That Guy for counting my 66 lengths and not getting stuck on lap 43 as had been planned

Great job James!

Prior to warmups, James asked me if I was going to stop counting at 43 as previously discussed. I said something like "I'm not sure if there are any numbers higher than 43... I'm trying to remember?" So then prior to James' heat, I picked up the lap counter, turned it to 43, and just stood there holding it so that it was facing the start end. Eventually James noticed, laughed, and pointed at me. But once the race started, I gave him an honest count.

[Nixe]

I almost had a major screw up today at my meet in Olympia. We arrived plenty early, about 8:15am at the pool, warmups were at 8:30, checkin by 8:45, meet starts at 9:00.

400 IM was the first race, 1 heat. I was in heat 2 of the 1650. While heat 1 of the 1650 was swimming, I suddenly realized that I had forgotten the step I was supposed to do by 8:45am (see above). CHECK IN!!! I completely missed this step, as I had entered the pool through an open side door, rather than the front door where I would have seen the check in table. OOPS!! I immediately went to the meet referee to see what was going to happen. He said that since there were only 12 participants in the race, they just left it seeded as it was with the 2 heats of 6 people. I got soooooo lucky.

Either I'm blind or someone signed in for you. I had a late entry who wanted to swim the 1650 but I didn't want to create another heat when I had sent out approximate start times based on two heats. She was hanging around hoping that someone wouldn't check-in. The Swim Gods must have been smiling on you yesterday!

[jaadams1]

Either I'm blind or someone signed in for you. I had a late entry who wanted to swim the 1650 but I didn't want to create another heat when I had sent out approximate start times based on two heats. She was hanging around hoping that someone wouldn't check-in. The Swim Gods must have been smiling on you yesterday!

It is very possible that my father who was walking around the aquatic center stumbled across the checkin table and signed me in. If that's the case...whew...or maybe one of my teammates...