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I have done that set, too, but hadn't heard it named the Davis mile. We just call it a broken mile.
One way to do that set is with the odd reps done pull and the even ones swim. Not only does it conveniently add up to 1650, but the pull buoy is magically where you need it every time.
[QUOTE=That Guy;212677]I've never heard of it either. Cool stuff. I might repurpose it for the Butterfly Lane as a see-how-far-through-this-I-can-get type of set... I'd need far more rest, of course...
We do this set quite a bit, I usally it it where i'm doing at least the last 25 of each distance fly. I am working toward a lot more fly, but it is hard to work in, I are trying not to affect lanemates too much and/or I just get lazy sometimes.
I did the Davis Mile last night. I screwed up somewhere because I thought I finished in 19:30. That would make my swimming time 17:50 and I don't think I was going that fast. It's possible I miscounted a 50 in there somewhere.
Doing the entire thing fly would be challenging, for sure.
Last edited by knelson; April 29th, 2010 at 04:59 PM.
couple of fun workouts this week:
wed: 90 min 6500yds
3000 on 40 min (hold 2/3/2 breathing pattern)
10x 150 pull on 2:00 (buoy only)
10x 200 on 2:50 (100 fr / 50 bk / 50 fr)
fri: 60 min 4000yds
1000 wu on 13:30
10x 150 on 2:00 (keep under 1:50)
10x 100 on 1:15 (keep under 1:10)
10x 50 on :35 (just make 'em)
yesterday 5/10 was as follows:
the 100s were hold a pace minimum of 5 seconds faster than the interval, while the 300, 400, 500, and 600 were fast holding a pace faster than that held on the previous 100s.
Since we're at the beginning of a new season
I thought I'd bump all the lanes to see which one is winning
Well it looks like I'm on my own here....
I did the Davis Mile this morning and its harder than it sounds. I finished in a collapsing heap in 24.24 so thats 22.44 total swim .
Any of you know if theis set should be used for regular training purposes, or is it best to do it every couple of months to see how you're progressing (or not)?
30something and way too young for my times
A Davis mile 1650 yards, is it 110 yards short of a mile???
Keep it simple George Park
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thought I'd bump all the lanes to the front page to encourage folks to comment in their lanes
I think it was Kirk who suggested that you best average of 15 x 100's on 20-30 rest is a decent predictor of a timed 1500. I did the set twice and held right around 1:13 (just over), so that puts me around 18:20
I am doing the 1500 this weekend, so I'll report my results to indicate if this is a decent predictor (for myself at least).
My goal is 18:20.
Three sets of 10 x 100 on 1:30, des 1-3, hold 4-10 for best average.
He would tell them to take their HR at the end of each set, and would give them about 2 min recovery between sets. He records people's averages for each set.
The coach (Brent St. Pierre) thinks this set is a good indicator of aerobic swimming conditioning. He observed that many other coaches use some variation of a timed 3000 as a test but found that many non-D types have trouble with pacing: they either take it out too hard (and stop trying when the "fail" halfway thru the swim) or not hard enough (so that the performance is not a good predictor). He thinks his variation is good for a much wider range of swimmers.
And he gets to yell at swimmers to maintain or improve their average during that painful third set, to get every last drop of effort from them.
I agree with the value of the set. I find myself averaging right around my 1000 pace.
A teammate and I did a set one day last spring that seems also to have been a good reflection of our paces for a 1650 race. The set was 21 x 100: 6 on 1:30, 5 on 1:25, 4 on 1:20, 3 on 1:15, 2 on 1:10, 1 AFAP. We chose the starting interval for the 6 x 100 so that the 2 x 100 would be on an interval that was no more than 5 seconds over the pace we wanted to hold for a 1650, and the goal for the set was to swim each 100 at or faster than the 1650 pace. His target race pace was a few seconds per 100 faster than mine, but on the other hand I was going second so I got some assist from drafting.
Last edited by ourswimmer; December 1st, 2010 at 02:15 PM.
I almost had a major screw up today at my meet in Olympia. We arrived plenty early, about 8:15am at the pool, warmups were at 8:30, checkin by 8:45, meet starts at 9:00.
400 IM was the first race, 1 heat. I was in heat 2 of the 1650. While heat 1 of the 1650 was swimming, I suddenly realized that I had forgotten the step I was supposed to do by 8:45am (see above). CHECK IN!!! I completely missed this step, as I had entered the pool through an open side door, rather than the front door where I would have seen the check in table. OOPS!! I immediately went to the meet referee to see what was going to happen. He said that since there were only 12 participants in the race, they just left it seeded as it was with the 2 heats of 6 people. I got soooooo lucky.
I ended up with the 1650 of a masters lifetime...breaking my age group LMSC record by 6 seconds, and going an 18:07.57!
Let this be a lesson to all of you in the distance races...remember to check in for your events. I was very lucky this time, but it could have been worse!
Also, a big thanks to That Guy for counting my 66 lengths and not getting stuck on lap 43 as had been planned
Another way of breaking up a 1650 in practice rather than the traditional 11, 10, 9, ......2, 1, is doing like this:
2 x 300 @ 4:15
2 x 225 @ 2:45
2 x 150 @ 2:00
2 x 75 @ 1:00
2 x 50 @ :40
2 x 25 @ :20
1650 @ 22:00
These are just the intervals I used in doing the set. I just hate counting lengths and taking xx seconds of rest. I'd rather have a set distance and interval time to keep me honest from just swimming slower as I got tired. This really make you get moving at the end of the 1650.
~ Believing in your dreams can be far more rewarding than living by your limitations ~Karla Peterson
Prior to warmups, James asked me if I was going to stop counting at 43 as previously discussed. I said something like "I'm not sure if there are any numbers higher than 43... I'm trying to remember?" So then prior to James' heat, I picked up the lap counter, turned it to 43, and just stood there holding it so that it was facing the start end. Eventually James noticed, laughed, and pointed at me. But once the race started, I gave him an honest count.