Athens and Greenville
All right, here are my 50 and 100 back videos. The 50 was a decent race, besides going too deep on the start and kicking the rather shallow bottom...twice...on the turn. The 100 was horrible--ridiculously terrible and deep on the start and I died at the end, but my time was only .3 off my MPB. On a side note, the pads in this pool weren't attached at the bottom, and curved out from the wall, so every time I pushed off of them in warmup and during the races, I'd have to push them back to the wall before I'd start to move away from the wall, sapping a good deal of energy and momentum from my turns! I was really, really not a fan of this pool!
I'm the tattooed dude with The Beard doing the wall start in both.
And for reference, here's a head on shot of my 100 IM. Other problems with the race aside, you can see my arm position on back in the video.
Starting in June, I've spent my time primarily training for back and spent a good chunk of time over the summer working one-on-one with one of my coaches on my technique. I've dropped a shade over 6 seconds from my best from last season so far. I figure with a bit more technique work and a good deal more conditioning (I'm going to hammer the practices from now through mid April, as I've been very off and on in my training to date), I should be able to drop another ~1.5 seconds per 50. I mean, come on, just shaving The Beard has to be worth at least a couple seconds, right?
I haven't swum the 200 shaved/tapered yet, so I'm really looking forward to Nationals!
Today I was just swimming along at practice and my coach goes "Try to get rid of that scissor kick thing you do on backstroke." I was like...huh? I didn't know I did a scissor kick thing! I tried to focus on it but to me it just feels like I'm rotating, not scissoring my feet. Does anyone have any tips for dealing with this?
Ummmm, before I open my big fat , I better ask this: What is your PB (yards) for the 50 and 100? Mine is :40.45 and 1:32.79. I don't yet know which events I will race; it will depend on the line-up and whether my leg is healthy to race all three breaststroke events. Let's meet back here when the race info. comes out. But, meanwhile, which would you rather gridge? We'll have to make sure to enter the same seed time to at least get in the same heat, and, hopefully, in neighboring lanes.
Last edited by ElaineK; February 21st, 2013 at 05:31 PM. Reason: Corrected 100 backstroke time
My LCM 50bk is 43.10, which places us close in seed, but my recent SCY is 36.something for the 50, I will convert that one to LCM and use that as seed (If I do the 50bk). However, I never completed a 100 back before, and Athens (if I can make it there, 80% sure) seems like a good time to try a new event, so long it does not interfere with target events. I can seed whatever for that one.
Might work for a 100. I have a steep drop in pace for anything above a 50
But unfortunatley I already submitted the gridge paperwork and it's final
Last edited by __steve__; February 23rd, 2013 at 10:13 AM.
Yikes! You're way faster than me in everything!
Gridge is on: If I beat you, I get bragging rights on this thread. But, if you beat me, you owe me a , unless I break 1:43.09 which would be a PB (My Auburn time of 1:32.79 converted to LC, using the Swimming World Time Conversion Utility.).
I think it will be close race
You would destroy me in any breaststroke event though
Ya think? Your race times are way faster than mine in everything you have listed. Have you timed yourself in breaststroke? The way I have been swimming breaststroke lately, I'll bet you would beat me. My leg has been too to get a decent kick and my times have been . I'm looking forward to my next PT appointment where I will get a lower body evaluation and exercises to correct those imbalances. Meanwhile, I will keep practicing my backstroke; no pain on that stroke.
habu987, I think you were swimming pretty well. You already criticized yourself and know what you need to do. I'm not sure what your splits were but it looked good.
Hope you get your frog legs back in tune. Have you tried lifting weights?
Signature font? Steve, you can use this font anytime you would like!
Good idea to get your stroke on video. Dr. Frog (aka King Frog) is the BEST when it comes to evaluating other frogs! But, I digress; this is the "Backstroke Lane" after all... But, before I return to the thread topic, I will answer your questions: Yes, and, that was part of the problem. I was using the abductor/adductor machine (under the advice and supervision of our resident trainer), but it was adding to the muscle fatigue factor, making me more susceptible to injuries in the pool. My abductors are quite strong compared to my adductors, so I am looking forward to receiving more of a skilled evaluation of a PT (and USMS competitor), rather than just the advice of a less-educated trainer who doesn't swim. When I described the problem to the PT while she was reviewing my medical history, she hinted that she thought the origin of the problem was my back. I am guessing she will be prescribing some lower back strengthening exercises to balance out my stronger abs.
Pacing 200 back
Check out this race, from the recent Albatross Open:Splits in lane 2 conform to the ideal formula N, N+2, N+2, N+2, very nearly perfectly! An excellent race!Event 20, 200 Meter Backstroke
1 Swimosaur M55 GAJA 2:38.93 2:39.95
37.08 1:16.93 (39.85) 1:58.50 (41.57) 2:39.95 (41.45)
2 SwimmieAVSFan F32 TERR 2:32.72 2:35.50
37.47 1:16.95 (39.48) 1:56.61 (39.66) 2:35.50 (38.89)
Splits in lane 1, not so much! More like N, N+2, N+4, N+4.
Now, I'm not complaining! That was a good race & time for me! I have been working on and improving my splitting in the 200 back for the last year (yes, the above represents an improvement). The question is, beyond the obvious advice to get in better condition, how to learn better splitting in this race? I probably need to take my foot off the gas a bit in the first 100. How do you learn this? Are there sets or other training methods for learning to split 200s correctly? Thanks!
"I blame you, James!" - knelson
It could be,
(50, low rest, <sprint 50>) ... high rest ... (50, low rest, <sprint 50>) ... high rest ... (50, low rest, <sprint 50>) ...
Or it could be,
(50, high rest, <sprint 50>) ... low rest ... (50, high rest, <sprint 50>) ... low rest ... (50, high rest, <sprint 50>) ...
Or I guess it could be,
(50, low rest, <sprint 50>) ... low rest ... (50, low rest, <sprint 50>) ... low rest ... (50, low rest, <sprint 50>) ...
Also, what do you consider low rest? Thanks!