- Ande has a point. IMHO there is no reason to do a 3000 IM if you are training for the 18 pool events. There is no reason, ever, to swim a 750 fly.
- At the same time, there is no reason, ever, to climb a mountain, or swim a 4 mile IM. So why do people do it? Because it's there! Yahoo!!!
That said, I am not too interested in swimming a 6000 IM. For me, the 3000 IM was mostly garbage yardage & I was wasted for a couple of days afterwards. If you can do it, more power to you!
Exactly. Sure, there is no reason to swim a 3,000 or 6,000 IM and I suppose it's garbage yardage, but, on the other hand, it is an endurance swim. That's a good thing, isn't it?
Does every swim have to have a purpose or reason? Sometimes, I think it's fine to do a swim just because; because you want to being the first "because" that comes to mind. But, for me, the fringe benefit of doing a swim like that is it builds confidence. Achieving a goal that I set for myself is always a good thing!
In thinking about my recent 3000 IM, a possible upcoming 6000 IM, and the upcoming Brute Squad swim (300 fly + 100 back + 100 breast + 1750 free; [ame="http://forums.usms.org/showthread.php?t=20984"]Fitness Events and Challenges - U.S. Masters Swimming Discussion Forums[/ame]), at some point I remembered The Cumberland (500 free + 400 IM + 300 back + 200 breast + 100 fly; [ame="http://forums.usms.org/showthread.php?t=12792"]New Year's swims - U.S. Masters Swimming Discussion Forums[/ame]) and decided that since it's been almost 4 years, I definitely needed to swim it again. So this morning I posted a 19:40 (rough splits: 5:50, 11:23, 15:21, ???, 19:40) and then found in that New Year's thread that I was a little slower this morning that I was back then.
This challenge should be a bit more accessible than a 3000 or 6000 IM. What say you?
"I blame you, James!" - knelson
The 2013 Checkoff Challenge includes the 800 IM
"I blame you, James!" - knelson
A TRUE IM should be 750 of each. I'll try to think of that !!
I couldn't find this thread when I did an advanced search; however, fatboy did. Thanks! Evidently, I have posted on this thread in the past.
Two of my favorite non-core events are the 200 fly and 400 IM, and my goal is to improve my times for both of them. (At this point, I'm better at the 400 IM.)
What are your favorite sets to train for IM races? Laurie Hug has excellent workouts in the "Stroke and IM Workouts" thread, and this is one of my favorites (posted on January 12):
W/U: 2-1-2-1-2 (200 dr/sw, 100k, 200p, 100k, 200 im dr/sw)
PS: 16 x 75:
1-4 on 1:15 or 1:25 or 1:35 or R10s: IM order
5-8 on 1:10 or 1:20 or 1:30 or R10s: 50 IM order/25 free
9-12 on 1:05 or 1:15 or 1:25 or R10s: 25 IM order/50 free
13-16 on 1:00 or 1:10 or 1:15 or R10s: free
MS: 1 x 1000 (800 – skip last 200) done as:
200: alt 25 fast fly/25 easy free
200: alt 50 fast bk/50 easy free
200: 100 fast br/100 easy free
200: IM: 25 drill/25 fast
200: easy free
8 (or 6 – skip the last 2) x 100 on 1:30 or 1:45 or 2:00
Odds=Fast IMO or prime working the turns and finish
Evens=Easy free descending stroke count by 25
CD: 200-400 done as 50 ch dr/50 ch/50 fr dr/50 fr (2x)
Today, I swam it as 3,600 and then added Karl's 4x50 fly set (after the warm up) and some extra kicking (at the end before cool down) to round it out to 4,000 yards. This workout kicks my, but I am determined kick it back!
Please join in on this thread if you're like me and love ALL of the strokes!
I like the 4 x 50 fly set after the warm-up too. I can really tell how good a shape I'm in for fly by doing that set. Now that I'm thinking about useful sets that I haven't done in a while... 8 x 25 dolphins (bk or front) w/ fins on an close interval (:30 for me) is another great one for warm-ups or maybe beginning of cool-downs (nice core and leg conditioning among other things).
The last month I've let my fly go somewhat and have focused on 200 back; 20 x 50 on 1:00 at 200 pace is one of my favorite sets for that. Also, inspired by USRPT, I'm thinking about incorporating a 40 x 25 on :40 set for back... I imagine that would be great for your fly too.
The only way I could imagine doing that as a fly set would be to cruise those 25's. Putting any speed into it would be brutal! (Funny, but that set sounds way more difficult than the continuous 2,000 fly I swam at a VERY cruise pace.) Why don't you give it a try and report back to us!
The 40 x 25 bk set, was definitely goal pace for 200... no way I could do that many reps of 25 at 50 or 100 pace right now... I was right around :22 for most of the set (my short-term goal is to break 3:00 the next time I swim 200 back SCY).