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    The Middle Distance Lane

    You're not a sprinter and you're not a pure distance swimmer. Your 50's & 1500's aren't as great as your 200's, 400's, & 500's. Your 100's aren't shabby. Let the D Divas take those 800's, 1000's, 1500's & 1650's. You're caught in the middle. You've got OK speed, but you can do those longer sets that make pure sprinters ill. You're well conditioned and tend to do well with back to back events. You're in great company, Michael Phelps and Ryan Lochte are middle distance swimmers who have excellent 100's but not so great 50's. Man you can train.
    This is the middle distance lane. Don't get lapped.


    [ame="http://www.usms.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16584"]the breastroke lane[/ame]


    [ame="http://www.usms.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16601"]The Middle Distance Lane[/ame]


    [ame="http://www.usms.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16587"]The Backstroke Lane[/ame]


    [ame="http://www.usms.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16588"]The Butterfly Lane[/ame]


    [ame="http://www.usms.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16618"]The SDK Lane[/ame]


    [ame="http://www.usms.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16591"]The Taper Lane[/ame]


    [ame="http://www.usms.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16586"]The Distance Lane[/ame]


    [ame="http://www.usms.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16589"]The IM Lane[/ame]


    [ame="http://www.usms.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16585"]The Sprint Free Lane[/ame]


    [ame="http://www.usms.org/forums/showthread.php?t=16619"]The Pool Deck[/ame]
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    Re: The Middle Distance Lane

    So how many other middle distancers besides me wish there were 400 events for each stroke and a 600 or 800 IM? Yes, even a 400 fly... it would probably be my best chance at a #1 ranking, though I have no idea how I'd complete it in LCM.

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    Re: The Middle Distance Lane

    Quote Originally Posted by That Guy View Post
    So how many other middle distancers besides me wish there were 400 events for each stroke and a 600 or 800 IM? Yes, even a 400 fly... it would probably be my best chance at a #1 ranking, though I have no idea how I'd complete it in LCM.
    The day that there is a 800 IM would be happy day for me. I think that I could survive it though. I just wish that they would have the 800 medley relay because I would always have an automatic spot in it.
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    Re: The Middle Distance Lane

    Quote Originally Posted by ande View Post
    You're not a sprinter and you're not a pure distance swimmer. Your 50's & 1500's aren't as great as your 200's, 400's, & 500's. Your 100's aren't shabby. Let the D Divas take those 800's, 1000's, 1500's & 1650's. You're caught in the middle. You've got OK speed, but you can do those longer sets that make pure sprinters ill. You're well conditioned and tend to do well with back to back events. Man you can train.
    Geez, looking at that description again, it's freaky-accurate. Here's the complete list of events that I've ever gotten Top-10 in: 100 fly, 200 back, 200 fly, 400 free, 400 IM. There have been years where I looked at the #10 times in some of the distance events and said, "hmmm, I could have beaten that time" but of course I didn't and the distance guys are welcome to do it instead.

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    Re: The Middle Distance Lane

    this was my lane in college. although i was in a group known as the "upper mid-distance" lane. we swam in the lane adjacent to the distance group, and did a lot of the same (or VERY VERY similar) sets as the distance group, but without the emphasis on 1000/1650 training, and more an emphasis on the 200/500. however, we ended up playing host to most of the fastest sprinters on our team too (with a few minor exceptions). when the distance group was shooting for 10k a practice, we were somewhere in the neighborhood of 8.5-9.5k, while the actual "mid-distance group" would be somewhere 1-1.5k behind us.

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    Re: The Middle Distance Lane

    Quote Originally Posted by ande View Post
    You're not a lazy sprinter and you're not a crazy distance swimmer.
    I corrected that for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by That Guy View Post
    So how many other middle distancers besides me wish there were 400 events for each stroke and a 600 or 800 IM?
    That would be great. One of the reasons I am picking up the 400 IM, despite my weak breaststroke, is because I realize that I mostly like to train non-free and the 400 IM was the only option above 200 for strokes.

    Quote Originally Posted by That Guy View Post
    There have been years where I looked at the #10 times in some of the distance events and said, "hmmm, I could have beaten that time" but of course I didn't and the distance guys are welcome to do it instead.
    Part of that -- and this is my opinion only -- is that I think TT in the distance events are a little weaker than in the sprints. Not the top spots, those guys are pretty amazing; I'm talking about spots 5-10. Again, just my opinion (and it is often true of the 200 fly and 400 IM too; many masters avoid those, no idea why.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin S View Post
    this was my lane in college. although i was in a group known as the "upper mid-distance" lane. we swam in the lane adjacent to the distance group, and did a lot of the same (or VERY VERY similar) sets as the distance group,
    Unfortunately we didn't have a mid-D group in college: we had the sprinters, the distance guys, and one group for each stroke. Early on I swam almost exclusively with the distance guys, until I noted with alarm that the coach started regularly putting me in distance events in meets. Then I switched to mostly train with the stroke groups with an occasional visit to the D-guys if I wanted to pound out some yardage.

    I think one main difference between a distance and mid-distance set is the amount of rest. Distance guys don't mind doing sets with very little rest, while I don't mind doing things repeats of 200-500s in practice, I like to have a decent recovery time between reps.

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    Re: The Middle Distance Lane

    Chris,

    that's a somewhat reasonable correction.
    though sprinters work in their own way.

    We now have all the lanes eddie offers his swimmers.
    distance fr, middle distance fr, sprint fr, fly, back, breast, IM, & Taper

    I'm curious to see which one will be most active, right now it looks like the breastrokers have a significant lead.
    I prefer to live on taper time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Stevenson View Post
    Originally Posted by ande
    You're not a lazy sprinter and you're not a crazy distance swimmer.
    I corrected that for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ande View Post
    that's a somewhat reasonable correction.
    though sprinters work in their own way.
    No, it isn't reasonable at all, I was just making a joke. I don't think sprinters are lazy (well, no lazier than the average bear).

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    Re: The Middle Distance Lane

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Stevenson View Post
    Part of that -- and this is my opinion only -- is that I think TT in the distance events are a little weaker than in the sprints.
    I don't think there is any question at all about that. Way more people swim the shorter events, and thus the TT times are stronger. I noticed there are 81 entries in the men's 40-44 100 IM in Atlanta. There are eight entered in the same age group for the 1650 free. Now, part of that is that distance day is on Thursday, but I doubt there'd be a whole lot more takers if Sunday were distance day!

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    Re: The Middle Distance Lane

    The way I look at it is that I don't have speed, but I can go for a long time at the speed I have

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    Re: The Middle Distance Lane

    Check out this article about recent Australian Masters meets.

    http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com...news/24122.asp

    There's mention of an 800m IM, and for the sprinters, there's 25m stroke events and 4x25m relays. I wonder if there were 400m stroke events as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by That Guy View Post
    There's mention of an 800m IM, and for the sprinters, there's 25m stroke events and 4x25m relays. I wonder if there were 400m stroke events as well.
    It's even better ...

    Australian Masters Swimming -- Records

    You can search for Mens's & Women's records, any age group, SCM or LCM. Records are kept in the following events. (Obviously, 25 events and 100 IM are SCM only). No 1500 fly, alas.

    25m Freestyle
    50m Freestyle
    100m Freestyle
    200m Freestyle
    400m Freestyle
    800m Freestyle
    1500m Freestyle

    25m Backstroke
    50m Backstroke
    100m Backstroke
    200m Backstroke
    400m Backstroke
    800m Backstroke
    1500m Backstroke

    25m Breaststroke
    50m Breaststroke
    100m Breaststroke
    200m Breaststroke
    400m Breaststroke
    800m Breaststroke
    1500m Breaststroke

    25m Butterfly
    50m Butterfly
    100m Butterfly
    200m Butterfly
    400m Butterfly
    800m Butterfly

    100m Individual Medley
    200m Individual Medley
    400m Individual Medley
    800m Individual Medley

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    Re: The Middle Distance Lane

    I had heard of these non-standard records being kept by the Australian Masters, but I didn't know whether those events were regularly contested. For instance, in USMS we keep records for the 800 free relay, but in my experience it is rarely contested outside Oregon.

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    Re: The Middle Distance Lane

    Quote Originally Posted by That Guy View Post
    I had heard of these non-standard records being kept by the Australian Masters, but I didn't know whether those events were regularly contested ...
    Hard to say. On the one hand, casually looking at a few of the 2009 meets, it's clear that not every event is contested in every meet. On the other, many of the records in the longer stroke events were set in 2009, so the events were contested somewhere.

    Current National Records: Female - 50-54 - LC
    400m Backstroke JENNY WHITELEY NRY 12.12.2009 6:08.03 AUBURN
    800m Backstroke JENNY WHITELEY NRY 21.02.2009 12:55.59 CESSNOCK
    1500m Backstroke JENNY WHITELEY NRY21.02.2009 24:16.71 CESSNOCK
    800m Breaststroke JENNY WHITELEY NRY 12.12.2009 13:28.83 AUBURN
    1500m Breaststroke JENNY WHITELEY NRY 12.12.2009 25:44.58 AUBURN

    Cessnock Results

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    Re: The Middle Distance Lane

    1500 M breaststroke!? I'm starting to question the sanity of these Aussies! The 400 back might be a worthy challenge.

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    Re: The Middle Distance Lane

    800 IM record. I could totally do the 30-34 record in AUS. We need those records in this country so I can finally get a National Record.
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    Re: The Middle Distance Lane

    Wow - I'm new here - been lurking for a bit and I used to train with one of the 800 IM record holders. I thought a 400 IM was madness...and still do. OK back to lurk until I do some more serious swimming
    30something and way too young for my times

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    Re: The Middle Distance Lane

    Quote Originally Posted by tjrpatt View Post
    800 IM record. I could totally do the 30-34 record in AUS. We need those records in this country so I can finally get a National Record.
    Australian Rules Swimming

    Want an unofficial national record? Pick an Aussie event, swim it, and post the time.

    SCM & LCM: 400-800-1500 back & breast; 400-800 fly; 800 IM

    And I suppose us yanks should add,

    SCY: 500-1000-1650 back & breast; 500-1000 fly; 800 IM

    I don't think I'll join you in an 800 IM but I could totally see dedicating a workout this summer to a 1500 LCM backstroke. I'm not quick enough to challenge their record, but it would still be a fun swim.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl_S View Post
    1500 M breaststroke!? I'm starting to question the sanity of these Aussies! The 400 back might be a worthy challenge.
    More Aussie Madness

    I was curious to see if they have a rankings page, and indeed they do, here. Although apparently they don't keep national records in these events, in addition to the FINA events and the Aussie events above, I found times in the rankings for,

    free: 3000m - 5000m - 30min - 45min - 60min
    back: 3000m - 5000m - 30min - 45min - 60min
    breast: 3000m - 5000m - 30min - 45min - 60min

    Needless to say, the 5000 LCM backstroke is not a popular event. As far as I can tell, only one person swam it in 2009.

    More Aussie Awesomeness

    Ok, I had to look. How old is the oldest Aussie national record holder in the 800 fly? Take a guess, then behold this bit of Aussie Awesomeness:

    Current National Records: Female - 80-84 - LC

    400m Backstroke MYRTLE WRIGHT WOP 17.09.1989 9:18.92 PERTH
    800m Backstroke ANN TODD QTW 29.07.2006 23:36.76 BANORA POINT, NSW
    1500m Backstroke OPAL EDDY NET 18.02.2006 48:00.58 CESSNOCK

    400m Breaststroke BARBARA VICKERS NML 10.11.2006 10:20.95 GOLD COAST
    800m Breaststroke JUSTINE BAMFORD THB 24.11.2007 22:39.65 HOBART
    1500m Breaststroke JUSTINE BAMFORD THB 24.11.2007 42:44.06 HOBART

    400m Butterfly THELMA BRYAN QCN 30.01.2010 12:01.39 MAREEBA MEMORIAL
    800m Butterfly NORMA RUDOLPH QSC 02.08.2003 27:44.98 BANORA POINT

    800m IM MARJORIE CHIPPERFIELD QTW 19.10.2003 23:27.66 IPSWICH

    Awesome!

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    Re: The Middle Distance Lane

    Since we're at the beginning of a new season
    I thought I'd bump all the lanes to see which one is winning

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    Re: The Middle Distance Lane

    Quote Originally Posted by ande View Post
    Since we're at the beginning of a new season
    Oh the season has started already? I'm still on my break until small child goes to pre-school, but think I'm headed for the middle distance lane once I get back in the water. I checked out the fly lane earlier and they swim scary amounts of fly, so am sure I'll be happier here.

    So what is the difference between 500 SCY and 400 SCM? .....please don't say 4 lengths or 60 yards - is it a truly different race?
    30something and way too young for my times

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