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    Lots of followers to disappoint!!!

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    So I've been sick the last couple days and had the chance to finish Tyler Hamilton's The Secret Race and read the 200+ page USADA report. I enjoyed Hamilton's book, very readable and interesting. USADA's report, not so much. Yeah, Lance definitely doped, and was a serial cheat, liar and hypocrite. So were many others during cycling's EPO era. But the report is really weak. For example,

    1. The "comfort" standard for the lifetime ban is so vague that it would never survive in court.

    2. The case USADA cites for extending the 8 year statute of limitations does not really support their statement that the SOL should be tolled by Armstrong's fraudulent concealment. It really stands for the proposition that the SOL begins to run from the time that USADA discovered the cause of action. Much of the evidence USADA bases it's decision on was know many years ago and it did nothing. This may have been Armstrong's strongest legal argument.

    3. Much of their evidence is hearsay, which would be inadmissible in court, like the incident where Landis tells other riders about the Postal bus being stopped so everyone could do a transfusion and USADA relies on testimony from the other riders. Huh

    4. Youtube videos (the supposed Simeoni intimidation incident) are not evidence, much less "powerful" evidence of anything. What crap.

    5. The riders who testify against Armstrong are almost painted as nobility. Say what? Didn't they cheat and lie for years too? And they definitely got sweetheart deals while USADA had a laser focus on Armstrong. Hincapie -- one of the worst and most prolific cheaters ever -- was allowed to gracefully retire and people are saying he was "courageous" to come forward. He sat right by Lance, facilitated all his lies, and made a huge profit from them at the expense of other riders.

    6. The report is tedious. It says the same thing over and over and over after awhile. Like that somehow make its statements more believable. They should have hired Coyle to write it.

    7. No testimony from Livingston or Carmichael? No indictment of UCI who seemed complicit in much of the doping culture? Hardly any witnesses to the later events for which Armstrong's titles are stripped.

    8. Why did the feds drop their case? Not discussed, probably because the evidence was weak.

    9. They report cites various autobiographies. Wth?

    10. USADA rhetorically asks several times "if there was nothing illicit in Armstrong's relationship with Ferrari why did he need to cover it up?" Sorry, this is not evidence.
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    Are the head quarters for this "agency" in Salem, mass.
    where witch hunts are from????

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    10. USADA rhetorically asks several times "if there was nothing illicit in Armstrong's relationship with Ferrari why did he need to cover it up?" Sorry, this is not evidence.
    I always love this one - "...if you don't have anything to hide, why won't you let us search you/your car/your house?" It is surprising how many normal people concur with this logic.

    I am interested to see what happens with the SCA claim here in Dallas. SCA sells a form of "insurance" (which is not insurance) to cover the risk for sponsors who have potential incentive or prize obligations - like a hole-in-one prize at a charity golf tournament or an incentive by a sponsor for winning a 7th Tour de France.

    SCA refused to pay $5,000,000 for the indemnity payment - alleging that Armstrong had used PEDs. Armstrong brought an arbitration proceeding to enforce the contract. The case was settled during the arbitration for a reported 7.5 MM and a final arbitration award was entered.

    SCA's attorney believes that he can ask a court to sanction Armstrong for perjury and somehow get a court to rescind a final arbitration award and order the return of all of the payments that SCA made.

    "Tillotson said Armstrong's perjury is a "game-changer." The company will ask for sanctions based on that perjury – sanctions that include the return of the money."

    I suspect that SCA will not get far.

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    Now they want check into his 3rd place finish back in 2000 -- while you are at it --- how about the 1st & 2nd place finishers also - with vigor !!!

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    I hope that his good work continues in this foundation.

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    WADA is on the right track with stiffer bans.

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    I read today , that He is thinking about admitting that he doped??!! Is this just to sell newspapers or does he want to take his ban off doing triathlons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orca1946 View Post
    I read today , that He is thinking about admitting that he doped??!! Is this just to sell newspapers or does he want to take his ban off doing triathlons?
    According to Slate (thru WSJ and NYT I think):

    Armstrong is reportedly under pressure to come clean by wealthy supporters of his charity Livestrong who are eager to move past the controversy and he also wants to be able to compete in triathlons and running events rather than say goodbye to his career.
    http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ing_drugs.html

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    AND today his lawyer says he will admit nothing.. Is this just to sell newspapers & t v time ?

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    I just read that he will be on Oprah [sp /] soon for sit down talk about his career.

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    I will se t my D V R !!

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    sue -- for what ?? He sold tons of new papers on his name alone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by orca1946 View Post
    sue -- for what ??
    The second link Ande provided says why.

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