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    Swim Coaches in Trouble

    A thread to share news, stories, and comments about swim coaches in trouble

    Mark Schubert Faces Lawsuit For Wrongful Termination Amid Allegations of Sexual Misconduct By Another Coach - Full Complaint Available; USA Swimming Updated Response
    -- September 18, 2012
    "The lawsuit was filed by attorney Robert Allard on Rianda's behalf."

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    “Schubert, Former Olympic Team Coach, Sued for Protecting Swim Coach from Sex Abuse Charges”


    USA Swimming Responds to Statements in Mark Schubert Lawsuit


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    Rick Curl Permanently Banned from USA Swimming
    September 19, 2012
    Currin's attorney, Robert Allard, released the following statement to Swimming World

    Kelley's NPR Interview
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    Widespread Sex Abuse of Young Female Swimmers Continues To Plague USA Swimming


    there's now even a legal specialty
    Swim Coach Sexual Abuse Lawyers
    B. Robert Allard


    USA SWIMMING'S SAFE SPORT PROGRAMMING

    INDIVIDUALS PERMANENTLY SUSPENDED OR INELIGIBLE

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    Curl is banned for life after chosing not to oppose the accusations, so that is pretty much a done deal.


    With Schubert Jewell, and Rianda, it's still pretty much at the "he-said-she-said" stage and there is a lot of ambiguity.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml

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    Re: Swim Coaches in Trouble

    I still want to know exactly why Schubert was fired by USA Swimming.

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    Any cover up is wrong !! Be it swimming or football! Let's protect all.

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    Re: Swim Coaches in Trouble

    Quote Originally Posted by The Fortress View Post
    What a shame! I know some folks who have coached and swum for that team.

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    What a shame! I know some folks who have coached and swum for that team.
    The team will not go down just because of 2 bad apples. It is sad but coming out stronger, too.

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    Re: Swim Coaches in Trouble

    Quote Originally Posted by MickYoung View Post
    Curl is banned for life after chosing not to oppose the accusations, so that is pretty much a done deal.

    With Schubert Jewell, and Rianda, it's still pretty much at the "he-said-she-said" stage and there is a lot of ambiguity.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...=feeds-newsxml
    I'm amazed Rianda would donate large amounts of money to USA Foundation, when she is at such odds with the USA Swimming hierarchy.

    Probably one of the more exhaustive attempts at discussion on the situation. Very interesting. It certainly makes the sport seemed so closed off and mysterious, when there are so many parties remaining silent on the issue. The legal wrangling and sensitivity of the subject make this all very difficult.
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    Re: Swim Coaches in Trouble

    Sadly this (coaches having relationships with their swimmers) is the tip of the iceberg...also sad (but nothing compared to sexual abuse) is that in attempts to try and get control of this kind of stuff good people will stay away from the sport (for example volunteers such as meet marshals that are now required to go through background checks, which I don't oppose) go down because of false accusations (its happened already, and just imagine trying to clear your name even if you are found innocent) or in some cases quit.

    Interesting that the two "hot topics" at USA-S were proposed rules about banning "deck changes" and banning "relationships between coaches and adult swimmers" (competitive swimmers registered with USA Swimming).
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    Re: Swim Coaches in Trouble

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul Smith View Post
    Sadly this (coaches having relationships with their swimmers) is the tip of the iceberg...
    It was certainly rife in the UK a few years ago. I was involved with an agency specifically set up to combat this, but I received little support from the governing body. I have only heard of a few cases recently. Either people are more aware of the problem, and so more vigilant, or it is being kept quiet. I hope it's the former.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GGS5T View Post
    It was certainly rife in the UK a few years ago. I was involved with an agency specifically set up to combat this, but I received little support from the governing body. I have only heard of a few cases recently. Either people are more aware of the problem, and so more vigilant, or it is being kept quiet. I hope it's the former.
    Am I imagining things or didn't society quietly condone (or at least ignore) the older guy going after the teenage girl 30+ years ago? I remember hearing stories of coaches and swimmers in the 80's and, while eyebrows were raised a bit, no one was rushing to authorities to correct the situation. In fact, it was often the female swimmer who was looked upon as promiscuous.

    The song is both old and cheesy but, I keep thinking about "Christine, 16" by KISS. An older guy going after a teenage girl in a 70's song that was quite popular. Society has finally evolved to see older guys who go after underage girls as the predators they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gobears View Post
    Am I imagining things or didn't society quietly condone (or at least ignore) the older guy going after the teenage girl 30+ years ago? I remember hearing stories of coaches and swimmers in the 80's and, while eyebrows were raised a bit, no one was rushing to authorities to correct the situation. In fact, it was often the female swimmer who was looked upon as promiscuous.
    That's exactly how it happened here in the UK. Arrests took place, but afterwards little more than a token gesture was made to by the governing body to make people more vigilant.

    Our swimming association was asked to set up a similar 'banned coaches' list to yours. This request was refused. The reason given: "It would violate the coach's human rights."

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    Re: Swim Coaches in Trouble

    Quote Originally Posted by gobears View Post
    The song is both old and cheesy but, I keep thinking about "Christine, 16" by KISS. An older guy going after a teenage girl in a 70's song that was quite popular. Society has finally evolved to see older guys who go after underage girls as the predators they are.
    And from my generation, Winger - Seventeen (1988).

    The issue is complicated by the fact that age of consent laws are different in every state. Not to mention other countries.
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    Re: Swim Coaches in Trouble

    Quote Originally Posted by gobears View Post
    Am I imagining things or didn't society quietly condone (or at least ignore) the older guy going after the teenage girl 30+ years ago? I remember hearing stories of coaches and swimmers in the 80's and, while eyebrows were raised a bit, no one was rushing to authorities to correct the situation. In fact, it was often the female swimmer who was looked upon as promiscuous.

    The song is both old and cheesy but, I keep thinking about "Christine, 16" by KISS. An older guy going after a teenage girl in a 70's song that was quite popular. Society has finally evolved to see older guys who go after underage girls as the predators they are.
    This kind of coach/swimmer "relationship" was going on on two of the teams I swam for in the 70's - we all knew it was happening, yet not one of us said a thing. We thought it was either creepy or cool (depending on the "attractiveness" of the older man), but none of us thought that it was a crime. It wasn't until years later that I realized just how inappropriate it was. I feel kind of bad about it now, but it's just the way we thought back then. Unfortunately, all the unkind locker room gossip was about the girl, not the grown man. I wish I could go back...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gigi View Post
    Unfortunately, all the unkind locker room gossip was about the girl, not the grown man. I wish I could go back...
    That's what I remember! Crazy, isn't it???

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    Re: Swim Coaches in Trouble

    Quote Originally Posted by swimshark View Post
    The team will not go down just because of 2 bad apples. It is sad but coming out stronger, too.
    Um, these aren't simply two bad apples at all. This goes far beyond bad apples. This is child sexual abuse that was either covered up or condoned by a club, according to multiple sources.

    As a parent I would have a very hard time keeping my teen daughters on a team that had this happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MickYoung View Post
    With Schubert Jewell, and Rianda, it's still pretty much at the "he-said-she-said" stage and there is a lot of ambiguity.
    well not really. You have to speculate - even though it seems obvious - why she was fired. It is not speculation that Schubert:

    1) Hired a coach he knew was under investgiation for inappropriate behavior.
    2) Was asked to fire the coach repeatedly.

    I too want to know why was Schubert fired from US swimming.

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