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    training for the 1500 and 50?

    I'm a breastroker at heart, but I always get hooked on distance events after all the OW swimming over the summer and until this year didn't race anything over 200m until march.

    in march 2011 i swam a 1500SCM 20:00:36
    last week i swam a 1500 LCM 19:38.84 (my 800 split was 30s faster than my worlds time in 2010 which would have been about 7 places better

    but now OW season is over and there is just over 5 months until my next big meet where I am thinking of attempting to go for 18:45 SCM (1:15/100m) but I don't like giving up my chances for a :32 / 1:12 for the 50 and 100 breast.

    is it possible to build on my current endurance by only swimming one middle distance workout and one distance workout each week with 2 sprint workouts in the middle?

    My event line up can look like this:
    Friday night
    200 IM
    1500 Free

    Saturday
    100 Breast
    100 Fly
    4x50 mixed free relay
    200 Breast
    200 Fly (? only if I don't make one of the relays)
    4x50m free relay

    Sunday
    400 free
    50 breast
    100 back (? only if I don't make one of the relays)
    4x50 medley relay

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    Re: training for the 1500 and 50?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rykno View Post
    is it possible to build on my current endurance by only swimming one middle distance workout and one distance workout each week with 2 sprint workouts in the middle?
    You'll never know if you don't try. The beauty of Masters swimming is that you can play around with a workout and racing strategy like this; see what works and then do something different the next season.

    I'd say, "Go for it!"
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    Re: training for the 1500 and 50?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rykno View Post
    I'm a breastroker at heart, but I always get hooked on distance events after all the OW swimming over the summer and until this year didn't race anything over 200m until march.
    We're in the same boat (pool?), Rykno! This was the related thread I posted: [ame="http://forums.usms.org/showthread.php?t=20813"]How do I train 400 IM without losing sprint speed? - U.S. Masters Swimming Discussion Forums[/ame]

    I swam my first open water races at the Georgia Games this past summer; a 3K, followed by a 1k, about five minutes later. I had a blast and discovered a new love for distance swimming. Between that and my two endurance fly swims in June, my coach declared me a distance swimmer. So, I swam several new distance events at Dixie Zone Championships- in addition to my 50 and 100 breaststroke races.

    I am also a breaststroker at heart; the 50 is my best race of all the swim events I have tried. But, I am negative splitting my distance races and my coach feels I am better suited for distance.

    Pwb is right- and, he gave me the same advice. Keep us posted on how you do with this; I will be curious to know! Don't give up your breaststroke, but give yourself the opportunity to see how you do in longer events.

    In my meets, I will always race at least the 50 and 100 breaststroke, even if I give up the 200. But, I am competing in 400 IM, as well. In my December SCM meet, I plan to race 400 IM, 50 br, 100 br, either 200 br or try 200 free for the first time, and end it with 400 free.

    As for training, I still save Mondays and Fridays as my sprint days, but I train distance on the other four days.

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    Re: training for the 1500 and 50?

    PWB: that's true. I could call 2013 my distance year. 2014 will be the year of my First IM and a good distance year in 2013 will get me off to a great start.

    ElaineK: thanks for the link to your 400IM post! I always swim 50/100 br when they are available

    for the next 4-6 weeks I'm going to work on my speed and see how it feels with a distance test swim dec 2. If it doesn't go well I'll have to re-think my training for the remaining 10 weeks.

    the good thing is that I have teammates that push me in breast as well as in the 1500.

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    Re: training for the 1500 and 50?

    an update. I went all in this past weekend swimming all 14 individual events. I've been training 12-15hrs a week so I figured I was physically fit enough to survive, but I wanted to test myself mentally.

    friday night was the 200 IM and 1500.
    the 200 was a warm up event. The only goal was under 2:30 and I did that, 2:29.78
    the 1500 was my main event of the weekend and I managed to cut 43s from my oct LCM time. Sub 19 now
    18:55.82. My splits were
    1:08.55 (1:12.15) (1:13.79) (1:17.25) 4:51.74 (400m)
    (1:14.96) (1:15.95) (1:16.75) (1:17.29) 9:56.69 (800m) - My best time in this event is 9:54.12 so I can't wait until i can swim the 800 again!!
    (1:16.95) (1:17.75) ( 1:16.92) (1:17.50) 15:05.81 (1200m)
    (1:17.11) (1:17.70) (1:15.20) --> 18:55.82
    I've even decided that I liked it so much that I'm shooting for 18:40 next time, 1s/100m. around 325m I decided to take the 1-2s to fix my goggles mid stroke. it was not effecting my swimming, but mentally it was killing me not to be able to see to my right. Other than that I felt pretty stable.

    Sat morning
    50 fr 28.40 - I've never been a sprinter
    100 br 1:16.81 - after 50m I was assured silver, and with 11 more races I just made sure to finsih before those after me
    50 back - no real rest but 34,94
    100 fly - 1:11.18 I tried to open slower to have something at the end, I was fresh, but no power 33.01/ 38.17


    sat afternoon
    100 fr - 1:03.05 felt better, but as a 7th event it was ok for me
    200 br - before the start I knew 2:56 was the time to beat so I took it easy 2:50.65
    100 IM - I was hoping for a time under 1:10, but 1:11.10 was good enough
    and my biggest challange of the weekend the 200 fly. I finished without being DSQ. 2:49.43

    35.55, 42.1, 46.77, 45.01. This is not my event, but I think with more fly training I could manage to match my breast time 2:41.....

    sunday
    400 fr 4:43.09 - died, usually I have something left for the last 100, but not this time only 2 sec over pb.
    1:06.44, 1:10.99, 1:12.40, 1:13.26. if I could have come home in 1:10 it would have been a PB by 1 sec. Oh well next time.

    50 br 33.95 under 34 was my goal, 33.37 i my pb so all things considered it was a good time. and if I had skipped the 400 just minutes before I am certain I would have swam faster.
    100 back - swam through 1:14.08
    50 fly felt good, but no power 31.46

    and as a bonus 50 back in the relay which after 14 events was only 0.02s slower than sat race 34.96


    The important thing was that I helped my team to a 3rd place amoung the 73 teams that competed.

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    Re: training for the 1500 and 50?

    That is awesome man!

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