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  • I couldn't lower my times. Speed loss due to normal aging is inevitable.

    3 5.56%
  • I'd stay about the same. Speed loss due to normal aging would counterbalance my training effort.

    6 11.11%
  • I'd get about 1% faster. (that's 0.3s for a 30s 50, 0.6s for a 1:00 100, 1.2s for a 2:00 200...)

    8 14.81%
  • I'd get about 2% faster. (that's 0.6s for a 30s 50, 1.2s for a 1:00 100, 2.4s for a 2:00 200...)

    5 9.26%
  • I'd get about 3% faster. (that's 0.9s for a 30s 50, 1.8s for a 1:00 100, 3.6s for a 2:00 200...)

    6 11.11%
  • I'd get about 4% faster. (that's 1.2s for a 30s 50, 2.4s for a 1:00 100, 4.8s for a 2:00 200...)

    3 5.56%
  • I'd get about 5% faster. (that's 1.5s for a 30s 50, 3.0s for a 1:00 100, 6.0s for a 2:00 200...)

    9 16.67%
  • I'd get about 6% faster. (that's 1.8s for a 30s 50, 3.6s for a 1:00 100, 7.2s for a 2:00 200...)

    0 0%
  • I'd get about 7% faster. (that's 2.1s for a 30s 50, 4.2s for a 1:00 100, 8.4s for a 2:00 200...)

    2 3.70%
  • I'd get about 8% faster. (that's 2.4s for a 30s 50, 4.8s for a 1:00 100, 9.6s for a 2:00 200...)

    1 1.85%
  • I'd get about 9% faster. (that's 2.7s for a 30s 50, 5.4s for a 1:00 100, 10.8s for a 2:00 200...)

    2 3.70%
  • I'd get about 10% faster. (that's 3.0s for a 30s 50, 6.0s for a 1:00 100, 12.0s for a 2:00 200...)

    3 5.56%
  • I'd get about 15% faster. (that's 4.5s for a 30s 50, 9.0s for a 1:00 100, 18.0s for a 2:00 200...)

    3 5.56%
  • I'd get about 20% faster. (that's 6.0s for a 30s 50, 12.0s for a 1:00 100, 24.0s for a 2:00 200...)

    3 5.56%
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Thread: How much do you believe you can improve?

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    How much do you believe you can improve?

    I assume that most of us believe that we could swim substantially faster, IF.

    IF we won a huge lottery payout, or a IF some swim suit vendor decided that what they really needed was an ordinary masters swimmer to promote their product and paid us sufficient money to:
    Quit work.
    Hire an army of helpers to do yard work, clean the house, run the kids around, cook, do shopping, pay the bills, buy a reliable car etc.
    Hire a great coach.
    Hire a personal trainer.
    Buy access to our own lane at a great weather-proof pool to match our schedule - and that of a few great training partners.
    Hire a masseuse.
    Hire a dietician.
    ...

    But that aint 'gonna happen, so I put forth this hypothetical:
    Consider your best times in your two best events over the last two years.
    Given the current constraints on your lifestyle, (training time, sleeping time, ...) if you did your best to improve in those two events, how much do you believe you could lower your times over the next year or so.

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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    If I was independently wealthy, I believe I could probably improve about 5%. I was always just "pretty good," never "really good" or "elite." That being said, if I quit sleeping in, and had some real coaching, I think I could probably improve about 1 second off of my 100 free. At least I like to think I could.

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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    I'm still hoping for about 2% by Santa Clara in my best events (400 IM, 500 free), but I'm willing for FINIS to do a long term, longitudinal study of the impact of their training tools and suits on my performance over the next ~40 years by providing all the stuff you listed above to see if I could take the 2% to 5% or 10% and to see how long I could sustain it.
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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    My speed falls at the rate my tech suit ages

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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    I used to believe something like this:

    Speed loss due to normal aging and/or injury is inevitable.
    Then I saw this:

    W 65-69 LCM 50 Butterfly
    Diann B Uustal 2013-06-05 (20130605panjunL) 67 GAJA 50 Fly H4 / L4 34.56 << FASTER World Record at 67!
    Diann B Uustal 2011-08-03 (20110804lcnatsL) 65 MESC 50 Fly H2 / L6 35.42 <<<<<<< World Record at 65!

    With shoulder surgery and months of rehab in between!

    Age? Check. Injury? Check. Still getting faster?? Check!!

    Now I believe anything is possible!
    Last edited by Swimosaur; August 29th, 2013 at 09:37 AM. Reason: Check!

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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swimosaur View Post
    I used to believe something like this:
    All Judd has to do is shave down once a year for his big meet. He trains with a fullbody drag suit. He will instantly be faster.

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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    Quote Originally Posted by thewookiee View Post
    All Judd has to do is shave down once a year for his big meet. He trains with a fullbody drag suit. He will instantly be faster.
    Look who's talkin'!
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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElaineK View Post
    Look who's talkin'!
    Did you know there is actually a "Chewbacca bat"? Check this out: http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/05/world/...les/index.html

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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    Quote Originally Posted by thewookiee View Post
    All Judd has to do is shave down once a year for his big meet. He trains with a fullbody drag suit. He will instantly be faster.
    Laugh it up, fuzzball.
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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl_S View Post
    Did you know there is actually a "Chewbacca bat"? Check this out: http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/05/world/...les/index.html
    Neat! But I prefer the Pacific Northwest Tree Octopus: http://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/
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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    I chose the 8%, because I want to take 2 seconds off my 50m free. I've got some things working against me (work, pool too hot, gimpy shoulder, various stars out of alignment, etc...), but I also have a bit of denial in me that keeps me thinking that "yeah, maybe this year I can do it."

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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    I just posted about this!! Now, bear in mind, I am in high school and was a very new swimmer when I started at 15 years of age, but I have definitely done the 20%!!!! Not sure where my thread went but go see it, lol.

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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swimosaur View Post

    Now I believe anything is possible!
    Good, because it is. I dropped about 10 seconds in my 50 free from a 34 to a 25 in 2 and a half years, no kidding. Started swimming as a 15 year old, and just tapered for summer league as a 17 year old. Also went from 37 in 50 breast to 29 in 50 breast.

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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    It's interesting that, so far, the most probable responses are: 0, 1, 5, 10 & 15. I wonder if that's just because these are "round" numbers so-to-speak. Clearly though, it's a broad multi-modal distribution. I wonder what basis folks have for believing that they could improve 10% or more. Are they new to swimming? Recovering from an injury or illness? Really lackadaisical about their current training? About to hit a growth spurt? I spent about 2.5 years knocking my 100 back time down by 1.5s. 10% is totally excellent.

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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swimosaur View Post
    Now I believe anything is possible!
    Yea, I've seen some similar accomplishments. I want to know more about how to do it.

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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Karl_S View Post
    I want to know more about how to do it.
    If she could bottle it & sell it, she'd make a fortune.

    Ask the hirsute Wookiee. They practice at the same time, in the same pool. Maybe there's something in the water ....

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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    Quote Originally Posted by Swimosaur View Post
    I used to believe something like this:

    -- Speed loss due to normal aging and/or injury is inevitable.

    Then I saw this:

    W 65-69 LCM 50 Butterfly
    Diann B Uustal 2013-06-05 (20130605panjunL) 67 GAJA 50 Fly H4 / L4 34.56 << FASTER World Record at 67!
    Diann B Uustal 2011-08-03 (20110804lcnatsL) 65 MESC 50 Fly H2 / L6 35.42 <<<<<<< World Record at 65!

    With shoulder surgery and months of rehab in between!

    Age? Check. Injury? Check. Still getting faster?? Check!!

    Now I believe anything is possible!
    Today, three days after her 67th birthday, Diann just broke her own 2 1/2 year old World Record in W65-69 SCM 50 fly, at the Rowdy Gaines meet.

    Old World Record: UUSTAL Diann USA 35.06 21-May-2011

    New World Record: UUSTAL Diann USA 34.53 13-Oct-2013


    With shoulder surgery and months of rehab in between!

    Age? Check. Injury? Check. Still getting faster?? Check!!

    Anything is possible!

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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    WooooHOOOOO Diann! An e-mail to Diann will follow this post!
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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    To Whom It May Concern,

    You wish you were this good! This is what the new FINA all-time Top Ten list is going to look like:

    50 M. FLY
    34.53 DIANN UUSTAL USA 2013
    36.36 CHRISTEL SCHULZ GER 2005
    36.66 JUDY WILSON FRA 2010
    36.71 MICHIE DOI JPN 2009
    36.79 YOSHIKO OSAKI JPN 2003
    37.10 BRIGITTE MERTEN GER 2011
    37.31 LYNETTE STEVENSON AUS 2011
    37.58 KIRA MAKAROVA RUS 2012
    38.06 JOY WARD USA 2007
    38.09 HISAKO SATO JPN 2000


    Jeepers! She's got nearly 2 seconds on #2. In a 50! That's what you call total dominance!

    Anything is possible!

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    Re: How much do you believe you can improve?

    The difference between 2nd and 10th is less than the 1.83 second difference 1st and 2nd

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