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    2014 Spring and Summer Nationals

    Now that the convention is over, have the day-by-day schedules for the nationals been decided?

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    Re: 2014 Spring and Summer Nationals

    Quote Originally Posted by TRYM_Swimmer View Post
    Now that the convention is over, have the day-by-day schedules for the nationals been decided?
    2014 Spring Nationals Order of Events

    Day 1
    1000 free
    1650 free

    Day 2
    400 IM
    100 fly
    50 free
    200 back
    100 breast
    200 free relay (mixed)
    200 medley relay

    Day 3
    500 free (women)
    100 free
    200 breast
    100 IM
    50 back
    200 fly
    200 free relay

    Day 4
    500 free (men)
    200 medley relay (mixed)
    50 breast
    100 back
    200 free
    50 fly
    200 IM

    You'll note that this is a slight modification of the order of events listed on page 30 of Part 1 (Swimming Rules http://www.usms.org/rules/part1.pdf) from the USMS Rule Book. The Championship Committee and Meet Host felt that changing (swapping) the relays on Day 2 and Day 3 would better balance the meet length on the two referenced days.
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    Re: 2014 Spring and Summer Nationals

    Thanks, Jim.

    Now, looking ahead to 2015, here's San Antonio in construction
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    Re: 2014 Spring and Summer Nationals

    Interesting. I didn't realize the San Antonio pool was going to be outdoors.

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    Re: 2014 Spring and Summer Nationals

    Thanks, Jim. Any idea when the MD schedule will be announced?

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    Re: 2014 Spring and Summer Nationals

    Quote Originally Posted by TRYM_Swimmer View Post
    Thanks, Jim. Any idea when the MD schedule will be announced?
    Please stay tuned. Perhaps by Oct 15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knelson View Post
    Interesting. I didn't realize the San Antonio pool was going to be outdoors.
    at convention Susan Ingram presented a slide show that demonstrated the possibility of 20 lanes outside and 20 lanes inside.
    (the covered building just northwest of the outdoor pool is also an indoor 50m).

    p.s. this is an old photo (says january 2013)...all construction is now done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunruh View Post
    p.s. this is an old photo (says january 2013)...all construction is now done.
    I just saw it on swimswam today (http://swimswam.com/san-antonio-disc...nals-u-s-open/) so thought it was up to date. Would love to see newer photos and/or that slide show. I've seen the Alamo and the Riverwalk, so I need a more compelling reason to visit San Antonio again; the construction photos look promising. Of course, I'd also love to see a spectator friendly OW race through the Riverwalk (along with some chlorine) for a really good reason to come out for Nationals -- the San Antonio Riverwalk Chute-Out anyone?
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    Re: 2014 Spring and Summer Nationals

    I suspect it's impossible to make everyone happy with the lineup but it sucks for mid D(men) who also swim backstroke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StewartACarroll View Post
    I suspect it's impossible to make everyone happy with the lineup but it sucks for mid D(men) who also swim backstroke.
    Well, Stewart, if it makes you feel better, 200 IMers seem to get the last event in the lineup at most Nationals. I've missed most of my 200 IMs at Nationals due to the need to fly home.
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    Re: 2014 Spring and Summer Nationals

    Quote Originally Posted by StewartACarroll View Post
    I suspect it's impossible to make everyone happy with the lineup but it sucks for mid D(men) who also swim backstroke.
    if you want to complain look at free/fly lineup

    100 fly
    50 free
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    50 fly

    thats 4 of 6 events right there back to back.

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    Re: 2014 Spring and Summer Nationals

    Yeah, but it's not like it's difficult to swim back-to-back events at Nationals. There's still plenty of time between events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunruh View Post
    if you want to complain look at free/fly lineup

    100 fly
    50 free
    and
    200 free
    50 fly

    thats 4 of 6 events right there back to back.
    Steve, I only see one event in there, the 200 free. I finally realize that your shoulder must really be bad if you've been reduced to considering 50s and 100s as actual events.
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    Re: 2014 Spring and Summer Nationals

    Quote Originally Posted by sunruh View Post
    if you want to complain look at free/fly lineup

    100 fly
    50 free
    and
    200 free
    50 fly

    thats 4 of 6 events right there back to back.
    That's what us West Coasters refer to as efficiency.
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    Re: 2014 Spring and Summer Nationals

    Quote Originally Posted by jim clemmons View Post
    That's what us West Coasters refer to as efficiency.
    Sounds about right to me Jim. Think I'll show up on the last day and just do the 500, 200 free, 50 fly and 200 IM.

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    Re: 2014 Spring and Summer Nationals

    Quote Originally Posted by pwb View Post
    Well, Stewart, if it makes you feel better, 200 IMers seem to get the last event in the lineup at most Nationals. I've missed most of my 200 IMs at Nationals due to the need to fly home.
    Sounds like you need a new travel agent to book your travel a little smarter...

    Just kidding. The reason the 200 IM is almost always on the last day is the result of a domino effect. There is a rule on the books that states the 400/500 free shall not be the day after the distance day. Which means the 400 IM is typically that next day. And since the 400/500 free's are now pushed to Sat and Sunday, that means the 200 free is always on Friday. With LC Nats not having the 100 IM, it typically gets inserted into Saturday for SC Nationals. Which leaves the 200 IM for Sunday. Perhaps we should see how many people actually do the 100/400 IM double and if it isn't very popular just have both of those on the same day (Friday).

    Or get rid of the rule about the 400/500 free not being the day after the distance day. After all, some distance swimmers ask to do both long distance events on the same day; but they can't do the 400/500 free the next day??

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    Re: 2014 Spring and Summer Nationals

    For what it's worth, NQTs for Santa Clara are available here: 2014 NQT SCY.pdf

    Maryland NQTs are expected to be available in late December.

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    Re: 2014 Spring and Summer Nationals

    Quote Originally Posted by jroddin View Post
    Sounds like you need a new travel agent to book your travel a little smarter...

    Just kidding.
    I know. It's probably just me, but it seems like I often end up having to be somewhere for work on the Monday after spring Nationals!

    Given the option of keeping the 400 IM on Friday (which I love) and having the 200 IM on Sunday at the end, I'll always vote to have the 400 IM on Friday. It would just be nice if the 200 IM could be earlier some years on Sunday.

    Also, as I'm not man enough to trash the rest of my meet by swimming either the 1000 or 1650 on the first day, I'll not suggest messing with any rules that the distance swimmers like.

    Come to think of it, these days, I'm just not man enough to swim the 1000 or 1650 any day of any meet

    With all that said, I am really happy with the lineup. I just need one core event and one fun event each day and this lineup delivers it.
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    Re: 2014 Spring and Summer Nationals

    Quote Originally Posted by jroddin View Post
    Or get rid of the rule about the 400/500 free not being the day after the distance day.
    That would get my vote, it is a rule that never made sense to me.

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    I'm in the same boat for the 200IM. I missed it at Omaha because the last flight out that day was leaving. I was able to make my swim in Indy but had a car waiting out front and 10min after my swim, I was out the door to the airport. Definitely not how you want to swim your main race.
    If I already have to take 5 days off for Nationals, I can't take another one everytime just to make the 200 IM.

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