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    2014 Canadian Nationals

    According to the mymsc.ca website, the 2014 Canadian Nationals will be May 16-19 (Friday-Monday) in Windsor, Ontario, at the brand-new Windsor International Aquatic and Training Centre, aka the Family Aquatic Complex. Windsor is about a half hour's drive from the Detroit airport. I've heard the meet is LCM, though I can't verify it.

    I also can't verify the event order! Which events on which days? Apparently it's not published yet? Is it known from experience? Does anyone know for sure or have a guess? Thanks.

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    Re: 2014 Canadian Nationals

    Quote Originally Posted by Swimosaur View Post
    According to the mymsc.ca website, the 2014 Canadian Nationals will be May 16-19 (Friday-Monday) in Windsor, Ontario, at the brand-new Windsor International Aquatic and Training Centre, aka the Family Aquatic Complex. Windsor is about a half hour's drive from the Detroit airport. I've heard the meet is LCM, though I can't verify it.

    I also can't verify the event order! Which events on which days? Apparently it's not published yet? Is it known from experience? Does anyone know for sure or have a guess? Thanks.
    Not sure yet about Nationals, but the Ontario Provincial meet is already posted and at the same place at the last weekend in March -- http://2014provincialchampionships.com/ -- with order of events up.
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    Re: 2014 Canadian Nationals

    You can see the 2012 event order here: http://cmsc2012.ca/schedule.html

    The order of events is not consistent year to year but they seem to always do the 1500m on the Friday. LCM or SCM seems to be up to the host, not following any pattern. I would expect the registration to open soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arthur View Post
    ... they seem to always do the 1500m on the Friday ... I would expect the registration to open soon.
    I have the schedule for 2011, Montreal. In 2011, the 800 was on Friday; the 1500 on Monday. Maybe they alternate?

    Guess I'll just have to wait ... << There's one for everything ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swimosaur View Post
    I have the schedule for 2011, Montreal. In 2011, the 800 was on Friday; the 1500 on Monday. Maybe they alternate?

    Guess I'll just have to wait ... << There's one for everything ...
    It was on the Friday in 2010, 2012, and 2013. I think the whole thing is up to the meet director.

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    Re: 2014 Canadian Nationals

    I had written to the president of Masters Swimming Ontario to confirm LCM or SCM and he has not gotten back to me yet. On one web site it says LCM and in another it says SCM.

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    Just got confirmation from the competition chair of Masters Swimming Ontario that the Nationals in Windsor will be SCM.

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    Michigan Masters is really looking forward to this meet. This is essentially a home meet for anyone in the greater Detroit area and suburbs. The facility was built in conjunction with the 2016 FINA World Short Course Championships and the last time that meet was held in North America was in 2004 in Indianapolis. The facility is big. They have a separate water park and 25 meter pool across from the 75 meter pool that can have up to 3 courses for SCM. They can swim up to 10 Lanes for both LCM and SCM and its 25 meters wide 75 meters long that is divided by bulkheads. The 50 meter section is 2.5 meters deep with a deeper section in the diving tank.

    The facility is similar in make to Greensboro only larger because of the water park. The width and length are identical to Georgia Tech because that is a pool that is built at the international distances of 25 meters width wise. Having a championship meet run with 10 lanes allows this facility and others like it to cover 20% more swimmers during a meet. The facility is a few blocks over the USA border.
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    Frank,

    Is it better to stay on the US side or the Canadian side. Wondering about going through customs each day...would it be a pain?

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    Hi Glen:

    I would say it would be better to stay in Windsor. You never know how much traffic you will get at the border with customs and it can get pretty crowded during the week and on the weekends. The meet starts early except Friday so my recommendation so if you stayed in Windsor you wouldn't have to deal with it. People that commute from Michigan will have to allow extra time for the stops at the border.
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    Re: 2014 Canadian Nationals

    That Monday is also a stat holiday so the borders will probably be more busy than usual.

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    Re: 2014 Canadian Nationals

    Meet website updated: http://www.cmsc2014.ca/

    Event order is (you have to download the 4.0 MB pdf meet info package to find it):

    Friday Afternoon
    1500 free
    200 IM
    50 back
    100 fly
    4 x 50 mixed free relay
    Saturday Morning
    400 free
    50 fly
    100 breast
    4 x 50 mixed medley relay
    Saturday Afternoon
    4 x 100 medley relay
    200 back
    100 free
    4 x 100 mixed medley relay
    Sunday Morning
    200 free
    50 breast
    100 back
    4 x 50 medley relay
    Sunday Afternoon
    4 x 100 free relay
    200 fly
    100 IM
    4 x 100 mixed free relay
    Monday Morning
    800 free
    200 breast
    50 free
    400 IM
    4 x 50 free relay

    Each individual may enter 7 individual events plus all relays.

    Registration is limited to 1000 swimmers.
    Last edited by Swimosaur; February 10th, 2014 at 11:37 AM. Reason: Event order updated per meet info package

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    Re: 2014 Canadian Nationals

    Quote Originally Posted by arthur View Post
    You can see the 2012 event order here: http://cmsc2012.ca/schedule.html

    The order of events is not consistent year to year but they seem to always do the 1500m on the Friday. LCM or SCM seems to be up to the host, not following any pattern. I would expect the registration to open soon.

    Canadian Nationals are always SCM =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craziness View Post
    Canadian Nationals are always SCM =)
    They were LCM last in 2010. They are usually SCM though.
    Last edited by arthur; February 13th, 2014 at 10:55 AM.

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    Re: 2014 Canadian Nationals

    As far as I can tell from the website, registration isn't available yet.

    Event Order here (now without burdensome download).

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    Re: 2014 Canadian Nationals

    Quote Originally Posted by Swimosaur View Post
    Registration is limited to 1000 swimmers.
    A year or two ago there was a thread about distance events at USMS Nationals. Specifically, somebody commented that swimmers can't enter both the 800/1000 and 1500/1650 at USMS Nationals but they could at Canadian Masters Nationals and it was suggested USMS should be more flexible if Canada can somehow offer the double.

    With a 1000 swimmer limit for a short course meet, I can now see why Canada can be more flexible for the distance event sessions. If USMS Short Course Nationals was (were?) limited to 1000 swimmers (and had two courses), we could offer the double as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jroddin View Post
    ... it was suggested USMS should be more flexible if Canada can somehow offer the double.
    From the meet information package,

    The 800m and 1500m events may be seeded to be swum two (2) per lane at the discretion of the Meet Manager.
    Is this the kind of flexibility you had in mind?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swimosaur View Post
    Is this the kind of flexibility you had in mind?
    No, it was just that I now realize it wasn't a fair demand for somebody to say if Canadian Masters Nationals can permit distance swimmers to swim both, why can't USMS? At this time we don't limit our overall entries and we don't require two-to-a-lane for distance events. If we did either or both of those, we might be able to offer the double as well.

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    Re: 2014 Canadian Nationals

    I have a hard time believing that people would be happy with two-per-lane at a USMS national championship.
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    Re: 2014 Canadian Nationals

    Quote Originally Posted by jroddin View Post
    No, it was just that I now realize it wasn't a fair demand for somebody to say if Canadian Masters Nationals can permit distance swimmers to swim both, why can't USMS?
    We do allow 2 per lane. See USMS rule 102.10.4 Two-to-a-Lane Seeding in Distance Freestyle Events. However, 2 per lane makes it real difficult for the automated timing staff. On the rare occations when we have done this I will have a backup timing operator assisting to keep track of touches and finishes.
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