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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    Quote Originally Posted by orca1946 View Post
    I used it for the 200 back. Easy to adjust and friendly to use at the start of a race. I tried learning how to adjust it in the diving well before the race use. If you pull it down from the center rather from the side, it pulls down level .
    I used it for both medley relays and the 200 back. I agree it was very easy to use and I pulled it all the way out, placed my feet where I wanted them and let it come up under my feet. It's was definitely an advantage. Now how long before FINA decides to take them away?

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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    They took away our "too fast" tech suits, so I think right after they decide it's ok for track runners but not swimmers!

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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    They seem to work well for the swimmers at the olympic swim trials.Some have suggested that we go back to using the top of the touch pad rather than these new wedges. Any thoughts?

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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    Quote Originally Posted by orca1946 View Post
    They seem to work well for the swimmers at the olympic swim trials.Some have suggested that we go back to using the top of the touch pad rather than these new wedges. Any thoughts?
    I don't think USMS is going to diverge from FINA rules so allowing toes above the water is essentially a non-starter.

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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    Quote Originally Posted by knelson View Post
    I don't think USMS is going to diverge from FINA rules so allowing toes above the water is essentially a non-starter.
    Toes are already allowed above the water; feet entirely below the surface is the old-school rule. The modern rule is that "bending the toes over the top of the touchpad is prohibited." Your toes cannot be above the lip of the gutter...but if there is no gutter at all you are okay. So if you have (gutterless) FINA touchpads you can have your entire foot out of the water if you want.

    At least, that's the USMS rule, I assume it is compatible with FINA.
    These opinions are mine mine mine and not USMS'.

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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    The water would have to be low to have the foot out and still on the pad, I would think.

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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    Quote Originally Posted by orca1946 View Post
    The water would have to be low to have the foot out and still on the pad, I would think.
    Not with the international pads that extend well above where the gutter would be.
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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    I did not know of those. Thanx for the info.

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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    Rio olympics have a ledge that must be removed by the official after each back start.
    Why did they not use the "retractable" ledge we used at Greensboro?

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    Quote Originally Posted by orca1946 View Post
    Why did they not use the "retractable" ledge we used at Greensboro?
    Because Swiss Timing is an Olympic sponsor.
    The opinions expressed in the above post are mine and not those of U.S. Masters Swimming.

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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    Quote Originally Posted by orca1946 View Post
    Rio olympics have a ledge that must be removed by the official after each back start.
    Why did they not use the "retractable" ledge we used at Greensboro?
    The two styles each have pros and cons. There aren't many heats in the Olympics vs USMS Nationals having heats all day long (i.e. retractable units are "self service" and don't require a volunteer for each lane to move them after the start). The Greensboro facility happened to have a set of Colorado ledges (retractable style) so they rented a second set for the other course. It wouldn't have made practical/financial sense to rent two sets of the other style.

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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    thanks for the rental info jroddin ... out of curiosity who was the vendor for the rental and what was the fee ? ... might be interesting for meet directors
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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    Quote Originally Posted by jackback View Post
    thanks for the rental info jroddin ... out of curiosity who was the vendor for the rental and what was the fee ? ... might be interesting for meet directors
    It wasn't a vendor per se who rented them out - it was another facility in North Carolina that had them who agreed to let the Greensboro Aquatic Center borrow them for a fee.

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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    Does anyone know the cost of one retractable ledge?
    Where do I look to get it? I would like too purchase one for the team to use.

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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    I checked on the Colorado Timing site and at $650 per lane, its a little out a my league
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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    Are any "used " ones for sale yet? Or is it too early ?

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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    Quote Originally Posted by orca1946 View Post
    Are any "used " ones for sale yet? Or is it too early ?
    I doubt it, but if really want one why not build it yourself? Itís a rather simple apparatus. Just a non-slip plastic wedge and a couple of straps.

    FR 2.10 Backstroke Ledge
    A backstroke ledge may be used:
    - The ledge may be adjustable to 4 cm above or 4 cm below the water level.
    - The ledge is a minimum of 65 cm in length.
    - The ledge must be 8 cm in height, 2 cm at the width with 10 degrees of slope
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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    I might just try that. I'll bring it to practice for others to try. Good idea - thanx.

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    Re: Backstroke Ledge at Nationals ?

    I am trying to find plastic that does not float. I need to find something solid or drill holes to allow water in.

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