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    Re: David Marsh - Consultant For Israeli Swimming

    Quote Originally Posted by jpetyk View Post
    So based on your argument, we should stop allowing international swimmers from joining our college teams, because they might learn something and take it back "home?" They still represent their home countries in the Olympics and other international competition, so in reality, these so called secrets are already being shared.

    And what good is a competition, if the playing field isn't somewhat level. It's no fun blowing out the other team all the time (or getting destroyed for that matter).
    I'm not sure logical questions are appropriate here. This guy appears to have a serious case of special sauce envy and likely won't be talked out of it by facts or logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gobears View Post
    I'm not sure logical questions are appropriate here. This guy appears to have a serious case of special sauce envy and likely won't be talked out of it by facts or logic.
    True. I WAS quite enjoying the Big Mac conversation.

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    Re: David Marsh - Consultant For Israeli Swimming

    Quote Originally Posted by jpetyk View Post
    And what good is a competition, if the playing field isn't somewhat level. It's no fun blowing out the other team all the time (or getting destroyed for that matter).
    ISTR the rationale way back when (60s? 70s?) for only allowing two swimmers per country per event was to blunt the depth of the US squad. Am I misremembering?

    I should note I'm fine with that. I don't want anyone to interpret my question as being in support of not sending Big Macs and Whoppers to Israel.
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    Did anyone consider that it might be the "sesame seed bun" and had nothing to do with the sauce? The secret sauce conclusion should be science based. There are lots of other variables that could have entered into USA swimming's dominance - like lettuce and pickles too.
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    Re: David Marsh - Consultant For Israeli Swimming

    my personal secret sauce is a starbucks dark roast coffee and classic oatmeal ... we'd better not be sending that anywhere !
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    Sport is not war, in fact BraunMan I think you are completly missing the idea of international sporting competition. It is that win at all cost ethos that drives actions like what the East Germans did decades ago and the current Russian doping scandal.
    Many years ago I was fortunate to play some international water polo and we were fortunate to have friendlies with many European teams and other countries from all over the globe. Those interactions are some of my best memories and the idea that we should never try and improve a sport by hiding "secrets" is absurd. New techniques are always being developed and if they work they never stay secret for long. I will always root for the USA but never at the expense of helping countries trying to develop their aquatic programs in an attempt to expose their athletes to competition at the highest level.

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    i googled "secret sauce" ... and here it is
    How do you make secret sauce?Ingredients

    • 1/4 cup mayonnaise.
    • 1 1/2 teaspoons spicy pickle juice.
    • 1 1/2 teaspoons ketchup.
    • 1 teaspoon yellow mustard.
    • 1/4 teaspoon smoked paprika.
    • 1/4 teaspoon garlic powder.
    • 1/4 teaspoon onion powder .................................................. .................................................. ...................................... so thats from the internet so it must be true ... and i thought it was coffee and oatmeal !






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    Re: David Marsh - Consultant For Israeli Swimming

    Quote Originally Posted by BraunMan View Post
    Get serious please. The exporting out of trade secrets in the sport and allowing other countries to copy us is a major issue.
    So is secret sauce.

    (As if anyone should take trolls seriously.)
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    Re: David Marsh - Consultant For Israeli Swimming

    Secret Sauce: Ma Junren and caterpillar fungus, 1993. Look it up.

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    Re: David Marsh - Consultant For Israeli Swimming

    Quote Originally Posted by BraunMan View Post
    We prosecute people who sell secrets when it comes to weapon technology.
    Are you for real?! Please, do tell, how helping another country SWIM faster, threatens our way of life! If the US wins less medals, how many people will die?

    Go ahead and try explain yourself out of this one. I'll wait. Good grief.

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    Re: David Marsh - Consultant For Israeli Swimming

    Quote Originally Posted by BraunMan View Post
    No - I'm referring to our secret training regimens which are vastly superior to what others in the world know, or need to know. Marsh should help us keep our advantage, not sell them to the highest bidder.

    I'm pretty sure most of the top swimmers who attend college already do that here in the USA and have been
    immersed in our sauce for a long time. I think it's fine for a good coach to be paid a competitive salary to train swimmers anywhere in the world, it's a free enterprise system as far as I know. I doubt the USA would have all their Olympic Gold in Gymnastics if the Karyoli's had been locked up in Hungry with all the sauce or Valery Luiken as well. I'm pretty sure coaching has been working this way for a long time!
    HTFU!

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    Re: David Marsh - Consultant For Israeli Swimming

    Swimmer Sergio Lopez was already world-ranked when he arrived in the USA. Coach Sergio Lopez "abused" the USA with his development of Ryan Murphy and Caleb Dressel at Bolles School, fellows whom you might remember had modest success building the US medal count in Rio. Any karma debt that Sergio might have to the USA swim community is paid in full.

    Taking his nativist argument to its reductio ad absurdum conclusion, I predict that BraunMan will now call Eddie Reese on the carpet. After all, Eddie awarded Singapore citizen Joseph Schooling a UT swim scholarship (denying it to an American boy!), trained him to whoop on American kids at the NCAAs, and turned him loose--with Sergio's help--on the American team (and everyone else) in Rio. Shame on you, Eddie! Apparently you're not the brilliant swim coach we all thought you were, but just a craven traitor who worked so hard to diminish the USA medal count. Just like David Marsh...

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    Re: David Marsh - Consultant For Israeli Swimming

    So, this secret sauce... Is that why the pools in Rio were green?

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    Re: David Marsh - Consultant For Israeli Swimming

    Quote Originally Posted by Froderick View Post
    So, this secret sauce... Is that why the pools in Rio were green?
    I'm sure it was because David Marsh peed in the pool and instructed all his swimmers to do the same.
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    Re: David Marsh - Consultant For Israeli Swimming

    You seemed so interested in the topic, I sort of assumed you already had. Why not call them and get back to us with their responses?

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    Re: David Marsh - Consultant For Israeli Swimming

    Quote Originally Posted by BraunMan View Post
    Has anybody spoken to Marsh or Lopez yet?
    To alert Marsh about the nitwit on USMS who has an ax to grind with him? No, I've not contacted him.
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    "the nitwit on USMS" never lets his thread go to far down the list before he bumps it back up ... a previous thread of this "nitwit on USMS" was locked by an administrator and drifted off ... he's more likely a Coach Marsh Troll, though "the nitwit on USMS" might also be an apt descriptive term
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    Re: David Marsh - Consultant For Israeli Swimming

    Quote Originally Posted by BraunMan View Post
    Has anybody spoken to Marsh or Lopez yet?
    I've talked to Dave... a very nice guy. I haven't talked to Sergio, but I hear great things about him.
    The opinions expressed in the above post are mine and not those of U.S. Masters Swimming.

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    Re: David Marsh - Consultant For Israeli Swimming

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Copeland View Post
    I've talked to Dave... a very nice guy. I haven't talked to Sergio, but I hear great things about him.
    Rob, did you warn him that customs agents at the airport will be checking his luggage for a suitcase full of Big Macs?
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    SECRET SAUCE MAN IS BACK ! ... SECRET SAUCE MAN IS BACK ! ... all hail SECRET SAUCE MAN !
    As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly.

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