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    Our Scott Bay has an article on how you can transition from short course to long course season.

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    Saw that...I'm all set

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    Quote Originally Posted by daniel.paulling View Post
    Our Scott Bay has an article on how you can transition from short course to long course season.
    Great article! I'm lucky to be on a team that works out LCM all year. I'm excited to have registered for my first Nationals meet. See you all in MSP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by daviswma View Post
    Great article! I'm lucky to be on a team that works out LCM all year. I'm excited to have registered for my first Nationals meet. See you all in MSP!
    LCM all year? Eek!

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    With the exception of 7/31, 8/2, and 8/5, The Commons (hotel) is sold out. The website will be updated soon.

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    The 50 free and 50 fly are on the same day. I went back ten years and that's never been done. What is the sense of that? And they're only separated by a single, 100 yard event. There are a lot of people who swim both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Martin View Post
    The 50 free and 50 fly are on the same day. I went back ten years and that's never been done. What is the sense of that? And they're only separated by a single, 100 yard event. There are a lot of people who swim both.
    But a single 100M event is probably an hour of heats, give or take, at LC Nats. (FWIW, heat sheets are still up from 2015. There were 30 heats of the 100M breast). Plus all the heats of the first 50 that come after you, and all the heats of the second 50 that come before you. I bet there's at least an hour and a half between those two swims. You should be able to recover from a 50 in an hour and a half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary P View Post
    You should be able to recover from a 50 in an hour and a half.
    I agree with you, Gary. If I can swim the Southside Seals Ironman Pentathlon (400 IM and 200's of each stroke) in well under 3 hours (at age 54) or the Suwanee Invitational "800 IM" (200's of each stroke-- and, I added the 400 IM AND 50 breaststroke) in under 3 hours as a 55-year-old; surely Doug (63) can handle the brutality of racing two 50's in an hour and a half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ElaineK View Post
    I agree with you, Gary. If I can swim the Southside Seals Ironman Pentathlon (400 IM and 200's of each stroke) in well under 3 hours (at age 54) or the Suwanee Invitational "800 IM" (200's of each stroke-- and, I added the 400 IM AND 50 breaststroke) in under 3 hours as a 55-year-old; surely Doug (63) can handle the brutality of racing two 50's in an hour and a half.
    Sure you can swim any events in a given time frame if your goal is to simply complete them. But if you're looking to maximize your performance at Nationals, you don't want your two best events on the same day with only one event between them. For those of you who don't know Doug, he will most likely be in the top three and can possibly win both of those events. If I were Doug, I wouldn't be thrilled with the event lineup either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karlene View Post
    Sure you can swim any events in a given time frame if your goal is to simply complete them. But if you're looking to maximize your performance at Nationals, you don't want your two best events on the same day with only one event between them. For those of you who don't know Doug, he will most likely be in the top three and can possibly win both of those events. If I were Doug, I wouldn't be thrilled with the event lineup either.
    Before I wrote my post, I looked up his ranking, and he is currently ranked #1 in both events. In comparison, I rank in the lower half of my age group in my events. Still, in the races I mentioned, I didn't just "complete" my races.; I put forth my maximum effort. At Sewanee, I swam my fastest 200 breaststroke in four years.

    Some of my intent was just teasing; a distance swimmer vs. sprinter thing. I used to be a sprinter, and my best event is still 50 breaststroke. Having been there (and worried about back-to-back events), I understand where he's coming from, even if I am no where near that level of a swimmer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karlene View Post
    Sure you can swim any events in a given time frame if your goal is to simply complete them. But if you're looking to maximize your performance at Nationals, you don't want your two best events on the same day with only one event between them. For those of you who don't know Doug, he will most likely be in the top three and can possibly win both of those events. If I were Doug, I wouldn't be thrilled with the event lineup either.


    I'm sorry, but we're talking two 50's, roughly an hour and a half apart. If you can't recover from a max-effort 50 in an hour and a half, you don't deserve to win both.

    Probably 80% of competitors have at least two events closer together than they'd like. Last time I went, it was the 400 and 100 free back-to-back. PR'd both, and that 100 was statistically my best swim of the meet. Looking at the schedule for this year's meet, they're back-to-back again. My plan is to suck it up, give my max effort on the 400, do a good cool down, get some recovery nutrition immediately, rest, and go give it hell again in the 100. I only wish my worst combo was two 50's with ~30 heats of 100 breast in between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Martin View Post
    The 50 free and 50 fly are on the same day. I went back ten years and that's never been done. What is the sense of that? And they're only separated by a single, 100 yard event. There are a lot of people who swim both.
    I am not sure if your concern is over the choice to have these two events on the same day or your concern about rest between these two events.

    FWIW I just took entries from Oregon and seeded them using the Minn Order of Events to use as a crude estimate. There is 2 hours and 58 minutes between the first heat of the Men's 50 fly and the first heat of the Men's 50 free (or roughly 3 hours between the two swims for anybody in the same age group). Granted Oregon was an unusually large meet, but I would think there should at least be a couple hours between those swims. Keep in mind for Summer Nationals having two events separated by "only a single event" actually means separated by 2 because we have to alternate genders.

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    You should see what USMS "made" me do at Spring Nationals. 1650 (33x50s) and 1000 (20x50) "back to back." Whilst I was extremely fortunate to have won both, I believe it to have been a deliberate and personal attack on my swimming happiness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Martin View Post
    The 50 free and 50 fly are on the same day. I went back ten years and that's never been done. What is the sense of that? And they're only separated by a single, 100 yard event. There are a lot of people who swim both.
    I expect you will have enough time between events to do your best, but I really understand your frustration.Sprints require more warm up and more cool down than distance events. You have to be able to go all out from the start and, for me, sprints require more mental focus, every move must be fast and near perfect from the start.
    I have my own frustration with the event order. Probably my best event is the 200 BR, but, depending on who enters, my second best may be the 200 Fly. They are the same day with the 200 Fly first. The approximate minimum time for me to completely recover from a 200 Fly is 4 days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt Dickson View Post
    You should see what USMS "made" me do at Spring Nationals. 1650 (33x50s) and 1000 (20x50) "back to back." Whilst I was extremely fortunate to have won both, I believe it to have been a deliberate and personal attack on my swimming happiness.
    And now they are making us swim the 800 free and the 400 IM on the same day.

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    Does anyone know how the light rail passes will be dated? I will arrive on 8/2 and depart on 8/8 (extended for a mini-vacation). All the site says is they are weekly passes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guppy View Post
    And now they are making us swim the 800 free and the 400 IM on the same day.
    24x50s!

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    Does anyone know how the light rail passes will be dated? I will arrive on 8/2 and depart on 8/8 (extended for a mini-vacation). All the site says is they are weekly passes.

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    Metro Transit website has a lot of great info. You might want to consider purchasing your passes through them, because they offer all-day passes starting at $3.50 and 24-hour passes for $6. Depending on what your travel needs are during your time there, it may be a less-expensive option. Alternatively, at the price of the weekly pass, you may be better off purchasing the pass, even if you won't be there a full week.
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    Details of the week passes are being confirmed with Metro Transit. We hope to have an answer for you early next week. Best guess is that the passes will run from Tuesday, August 1 through Monday, August 7, but we will confirm.

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