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    2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    There is a question of whether to have 2018 Nats in Indy SCY or SCM. What do you think?
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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    I know this will sound a lot like, "if I don't get my way, I'm going to take my ball and go home," but it it not meant to be.

    I have never swum a short course meters meet in my life and have no interest in making Nationals my first one. I would have no frame of reference for any times, no knowledge or feel for the extra distance and no way to prepare for any of this. One of my primary rules for major competitions is "Never try anything for the first time." Competing at a distance I have literally never swum seems just silly to me.

    So, if the committee decides the format will be scm, I guess I will have a relaxing year and train for 2019

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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    You needed to add another option: "No preference".
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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    SCM with the 400 Free & Medley Relays.

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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    Polls can be informative but there is nothing like an actual experiment. It seems to me that if the host is willing, then Indy is the perfect place to see if the host will take a hit by opting for SCM.
    These opinions are mine mine mine and not USMS'.

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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    Quote Originally Posted by RonCummins View Post
    I know this will sound a lot like, "if I don't get my way, I'm going to take my ball and go home," but it it not meant to be.

    I have never swum a short course meters meet in my life and have no interest in making Nationals my first one. I would have no frame of reference for any times, no knowledge or feel for the extra distance and no way to prepare for any of this. One of my primary rules for major competitions is "Never try anything for the first time." Competing at a distance I have literally never swum seems just silly to me.

    So, if the committee decides the format will be scm, I guess I will have a relaxing year and train for 2019
    No reference for times is valid but otherwise I think you are making too much of the difference in courses. In terms of "no way to prepare" for SCM, that's just not true. You prepare for SCM the same way you prepare for SCY. Perhaps the most significant difference is the backstroke flags (at 5m instead of 5y), which -- if you are a backstroker -- maybe means going to a LCM pool to adjust. (But it isn't that hard.)

    Our summer league swimmers somehow manage to switch back and forth between SCM and SCY (we have a mix of pools in our league) just fine.
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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    Quote Originally Posted by SwimTotoSwim View Post
    SCM with the 400 Free & Medley Relays.

    Yes, and the 800 free relay!!!
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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    Quote Originally Posted by RonCummins View Post
    ...I have never swum a short course meters meet in my life...
    Sounds like a recipe for ALL BEST TIMES!

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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    Would be awesome to have SCM but if I were a betting man my money is on it being SCY.

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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    One of the best things about SCM is the relay format of adding up the participant ages. This is a boon to smaller teams that will have much more flexibility in fielding a relay. Also, this gives you your best opportunity for a FINA world wide ranking. Further, it's more fun to be at a meet where world records are possible.

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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    I agree with Rich Abrahams...If you want make to a FINA ranking, you have to swim your times at SCM.

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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    In another thread I said I don't really care, but the more I think about it the more I like having the meet in meters. It's really high time we have a USMS Nationals contested in SCM!

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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    Quote Originally Posted by Allen Stark View Post
    There is a question of whether to have 2018 Nats in Indy SCY or SCM. What do you think?
    It's going to be a great meet either way! The IU Natatorium has recently been renovated, the water, air, and entire pool area is better than ever!!
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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobinator View Post
    It's going to be a great meet either way! The IU Natatorium has recently been renovated, the water, air, and entire pool area is better than ever!!
    Have they made the deck less slippery? That's something that always bugged me about that pool.

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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    I vote SCM.

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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    there are 2 sides to this coin.

    1) scy because its typically the big scy meet of the year - time to break scy records

    2) scm because its a chance for other records

    now for that edge it could always land on

    well over 99% of the pools in the usa can be 25scy. which means we all get to train it.

    scm pools are rare. very rare. usually poor in design (ie either a tiny gutter or that completely idiotic euro flat wall) and not made for fast swimming. and coupled with a facility that is poor too. the lcm facilities that can do scm may not be able to do 2 scm courses (because of bulkhead size) and a big meet like usms nats needs 2 pool courses. in the usa scm is a novelty. if you want a true world ranking do it the real way -> LCM (the only way they swim the Olympics)!!!

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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    I forgot about adding ages for the relays. That in itself would be a good thing.

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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    SCM nationals would be an excellent idea - it would benefit swimmers can compete (with times) across the globe via FINA rankings. The relays would be based on additive age vice youngest swimmer. Also, preparing for a SCM meet could be balanced by more swimmers who only have local access to a SCY or LCM facility.


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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    As long as they are not in my age group !!

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    Re: 2018 Spring Nationals SCY vs SCM

    As a European, I've always fancied the novelty of swimming yards without having made it over. I would love to do a 200 yards breastroke without the hard part! (LCM the whole thing is hard!). On the other side of the coin I'd also welcome more realistic FINA rankings - with more Americans (though there aren't none in the SCM rankings). Yeah, LCM is more 'pure' but given the realities of being a masters swimmer with an actual life to live, I think SCM is a good middle ground that makes for a more competitive environment ('easier' for more people).

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