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    2017 World Masters Champs in Budapest, info for USMS

    2017 World Masters Swimming ChampionshipsNewsletter for USMS swimmers: Volume 1
    This is the first of many newsletters to come for USMS swimmers planning to attend the World Masters Championships in Budapest Hungary.

    This is filled with resources and information to help you plan for a successful and happy experience.

    STEP ONE
    The USMS coaches listed below need your contact information, and the contact information of a friend or relative in case of an emergency.
    Please CLICK HERE to fill out the contact form.

    USMS Coaches
    Richard Garza coachrichardusms@gmail.com
    Kata Rutherford katalinrutherford@gmail.com
    Martin Wagner martinmbls@icloud.com
    Janelle Higashida coach@bozemanmasters.org


    REGISTER
    Create an account with FINA and sign up for the meet.
    http://masters.fina-budapest2017.com/en

    PASSPORT
    If you don’t have a passport already, follow this link to apply for a passport, or renew your old one. If you don't yet have one, get it now, and rush your application. The deadline is June 29th, 2017 to sign up for the meet.
    https://www.usps.com/international/passports.htm
    A special visa is not required to visit Hungary. If you plan on extending your stay to other parts of Europe, please check the visa requirements. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visa_requirements_for_United_States_citizens


    World Champ Newsletter
    The event has an email newsletter. It’s at the bottom of the page, we recommend subscribing.
    http://masters.fina-budapest2017.com/en/athletes


    FACEBOOK! Like and join!
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    https://www.facebook.com/2017WorldMastersUSMS/

    Group
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/2017WorldMastersUSMS/

    Official event page
    https://www.facebook.com/budapest2017masters/


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    Currency
    Call your bank before leaving to notify them of your travel arrangements. Security protocols might flag your credit card as “Stolen” and put a hold on your card.

    In Hungary, most credit card providers are accepted, except DISCOVER.

    To exchange cash, There are little kiosks in high traffic areas, such as train or subway stations. They have large signs saying “Change”, so they are easy to find, and cheap.
    Using the Euro is fine, but the most common currency used is the Hungarian Forint.

    Traveling around Budapest
    An alternative to commute between hotels and venues or even to visit touristic places could be the public transportation system, which thanks to its network covers the entire city. The below link is a useful tool to plan your travel (iOS application, Android application) and this one to gain information on local travel fairs.


    Google Map
    We created an interactive map with all important locations tagged. Competition venues, training facilities, and train stations.
    Click here to access.

    Open Water Traveling information
    A free train is provided to and from the Open water competition: August 10-12, 2017.

    Departures (Budapest, Déli-palyaudvar): 7:05am, 9:05am
    Arrivals (Balatonfured): 8:55am, 10:55am

    Departures (Balatonfured): 6:23pm, 8:23pm
    Arrivals (Budapest, Déli-palyaudvar): 8:34pm, 10:29pm

    Venues
    "There will be two pools in Dagály Aquatics Arena, for 25-54 years old competitors, and will be two pools on Margaret island The Hajós Alfred Complex, for 55-100 years old competitors. So there will be four pools in all for the events. Identical events will be going on in all pools."


    Mobile Phone Information.

    FINA Mobile App
    Android: Click here
    iOS: Click Here

    In Hungary, these are the frequencies used for mobile phone communication. Check to see if your phone is compatible.
    HUNGARY

    2G capabilities GSM 900, GSM 1800


    3G capabilities UMTS 900, UMTS 2100


    4G capabilities LTE 800, LTE 1800, LTE 2600





    FINA RULES
    Please read through the rules yourself, but here are some of the few things to take note of.
    All Fina Rules
    http://www.fina.org/content/fina-rules-regulations

    Open Water Rules
    http://www.fina.org/sites/default/files/finaowrules_20152017.pdf

    Swimming Rules
    http://www.fina.org/sites/default/files/finaswrules_20150907.pdf

    Masters Rules
    http://www.fina.org/sites/default/files/finamarules_20152017.pdf


    SWIMMING
    SW2.2.3 The supervisor is responsible for checking the relay exchange printout and reporting any early takeoffs to the referee. (Don’t leave early on relays!)

    SW2.4.1 The clerk of course shall assemble swimmers prior to each event. (Usually about 20 minutes before each event, don’t be late!)

    SW 2.6.1 One inspector of turns shall be assigned to each lane at each end of the pool. (Make sure you touch, and push off the wall legally, there will be someone watching you closely.)

    SW 4.3 In Olympic Games, World Championships and other FINA events the command “Take your marks” shall be in English and the start shall be by multiple loudspeakers, mounted one at each starting platform. (That’s reassuring.)

    Backstroke
    SW 6.1 Prior to the starting signal, the swimmers shall line up in the water facing the starting end, with both hands holding the starting grips. Standing in or on the gutter or bending the toes over the lip of the gutter is prohibited. When using a backstroke ledge at the start, the toes of both feet must be in contact with the end wall or face of the touchpad. Bending the toes over the top of the touchpad is prohibited.

    Medley
    SW 9.1 In individual medley events, the swimmer covers the four swimming strokes in the following order: Butterfly, Backstroke, Breaststroke and Freestyle. Each of the strokes must cover one quarter (Ľ) of the distance.
    (This means that on the freestyle portion of the individual medley, or medley relay, the swimmer must push off the wall towards their stomach.)


    The Race
    SW 10.3 The swimmer must remain and finish the race in the same lane in which he/she started. (I’m listing this one because in USMS, you only need to start and finish the race in your lane, but you can swim in a different lane as long as you don’t impede another swimmer. Swimming in a different lane is not allowed in FINA.)

    SW 10.7 Obstructing another swimmer by swimming across another lane or otherwise interfering shall disqualify the offender. Should the foul be intentional, the referee shall report the matter to the Member promoting the race, and to the Member of the swimmer so offending. (When you finish, stay in your lane! Don’t swim to the ladder right away!)

    SW 10.15 Should a foul endanger the chance of success of a swimmer, the referee shall have the power to allow him (or her) to compete in the next heat or, should be foul occur in a final event or in the last heat he/she may order it to be re-swum.

    SW 10.16 No pace-making shall be permitted, nor may any device be used or plan adopted which has that effect. (Basically, you can’t signal to a swimmer if they are on pace from the deck, like holding up both arms and cheering them on, or walking with them while they swim their distance event.)

    SW 11.4 Should a swimmer be disqualified during or following an event, such disqualification should be recorded in the official results, but not time or place shall be recorded or announced. (It should say why you were disqualified, if not, let one of us coaches know.)

    SW 12.12 The first swimmer in a relay, except in mixed relays, may apply for a World Record…

    OPEN WATER
    OWS 3.48 Ensure each competitor is identified correctly with their race number and that all swimmers have trimmed fingernails and toenails and are not wearing any jewellery, including watches.

    OWS 3.51 Be responsible for ensuring that all clothing and equipment left in the start area is transported to the finish area and kep in safekeeping. (We will get more details there.)

    OWS 4.5 The Referee shall indicated by a flag held upright and short blasts on a whistle when the start is imminent and indicate that the competition is under Starter’s orders by pointing the flag at the starter.

    OWS 4.7 The start signal shall be both audible and visual.

    OWS 5.10 The finish shall be clearly defined and marked by a vertical face. (A giant touchpad above the water.)

    OWS 6.3.1 (Basically, if you break a rule, you get a yellow flag. Break a second, you get a reg flag and disqualified.)

    OWS 6.6 Standing on the bottom during a race shall not disqualify a swimmer but they may not walk or jump.

    OWS 6.7 With the exception of RUle OWS 6.6 above swimmers shall not receive support from any fixed or floating object and shall not intentionally touch or be touched by their escort safety craft or crew therein. (Teammates providing nutrition cannot touch you.)

    OWS 6.10 No swimmer shall be permitted to sue or wear any device which may be an aid to their speed, endurance or buoyancy. Approved swimsuit, goggles, a maximum of two (2) caps, nose clip and earplugs may be used.

    OWS 6.11 Swimmers shall be allowed to use grease or other such substances providing these are not, in the opinion of the Referee, excessive.

    OWS 6.13 Coaching and the giving of instructions by the approved swimmer’s representative on the feeding platform or in the escort safety craft is permitted. No whistle shall be allowed.

    OWS 6.14 When taking sustenance swimmers may use Rule OWS 6.6 provided Rule OWS 6.7 is not infringed.

    OWS 6.15 No objects can be thrown from the feeding platform to the swimmers, including sustenance. The swimmers shall receive their feeding directly from their representative by a feeding pole or by hand.

    OWS 6.16 Feeding poles are not to exceed 5m in length when extended. No objects, rope o wire may hang off the end of feeding poles except national flags. National flags are allowed to be attached to the feeding pole but may not exceed the size of 30 cm x 20 cm.

    OWS 7.2 The finish apparatus should, where possible, be a vertical wall of at least 5 meters wide fixed if necessary to floatation devices, securely fastened in place so as not to be moved by wind, tide or the force of a swimmer striking the wall. The finish should be filmed and recorded by video system with slow motion and recall facilities including timing equipment. The finish should be filmed and recorded from each side and above by a video system with slow motion and recall facilities including timing equipment.

    OWS 7.2.2 It is mandatory for all swimmers to wear a microchip transponder on each wrist throughout the race. If a swimmer loses a transponder the RAce Judge or other authorized Official, will immediately inform the Referee who will instruct the responsible Official on the water to issue a replacement transponder. Any swimmer who finishes the race without a transponder will be disqualified.

    OWS 7.2.3 When, at the finish of an Open Water Swimming competition, a touch pad / vertical wall is available, swimmers must touch the touchpad / vertical wall to finish the race. Any swimmer who does not touch the touchpad / vertical wall will be disqualified.


    MASTERS RULES
    The same exceptions that exist in USMS also apply to FINA, but some don’t exist in USMS. Please read the rules yourself, but here are a few of the bigger differences.

    Minimum age is 25.

    SWIMMING
    MSW 3.6 The Organising Committee may arrange 400m, 800m and 1500m Freestyle to be swum two (2) swimmers of the same sex in a lane. Separate timing will be required for each swimmer.

    MSW 5.2 Applications for Masters World Records must be made on the FINA official form by the individual in question within 60 days from the end of the event.

    OPEN WATER
    MOWS 3 The water temperature shall be measured within 30 minutes before start of race and must be a minimum of 18°C (64.4°F) and a maximum of 31°C (87.8°F)...

    Let me know if you have any questions
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    Re: 2017 World Masters Champs in Budapest, info for USMS

    Registration is not the easiest. I believe I am registered but I have not got a clue how to register family members. Can you please point me in the right direction on family registration. Thanks.

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    Re: 2017 World Masters Champs in Budapest, info for USMS

    Step by step instructions can be found here:
    http://www.fina.org/sites/default/files/general/fina_world_masters_registration_guide_2017.pdf
    The deadline to sign up is June 29th, 2017.

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    2017 World Masters Swimming ChampionshipsNewsletter for USMS swimmers: Volume 2
    This is the second newsletter for USMS swimmers planning to attend the World Masters Championships in Budapest Hungary.

    You can find a copy of the first newsletter on the forums here: http://forums.usms.org/showthread.php?27725-2017-World-Masters-Champs-in-Budapest-info-for-USMS

    STEP ONE
    The USMS coaches listed below need your contact information, and the contact information of a friend or relative in case of an emergency.
    Please CLICK HERE to fill out the contact form.



    ENTERING THE MEET
    INDIVIDUAL
    A detailed user guide to sign up with step by step instructions, and screenshots of the entire process. Deadline to sign up is June 29th, 2017.
    http://www.fina.org/sites/default/files/general/fina_world_masters_registration_guide_2017.pdf

    RELAYS
    A detailed guide to entering relays. Entries for relays close on June 29th, 2017.
    http://www.fina.org/sites/default/files/general/fina_world_masters_2017_-_swimming_relay_registration.pdf

    MORE ON RELAYS
    http://masters.fina-budapest2017.com/uploads/static_page/documents/MuploadDocument_40/FINA_masters_kiadvany_03_28.pdf

    3.2. FEES AND ENTRY PROCEDURES THE PARTICIPANTS ARE INVITED TO PAY ALL THE FEES THROUGH THE FINA GMS https://registration.fina.org
    Once participants choose the discipline and event, they must pay a fee in order to be approved. MasterCard and Visa payments are accepted. A participant receives an e-mail notification of the successful or unsuccessful payment.

    Registration for Team, Relay and Synchronised Events (Swimming, Diving, Synchronised Swimming, Water Polo) Once a participant is registered, if he/she is nominated as a captain or coach, he/she is able to see the names of the other people who have registered from the same club. Then he/she can select those people in order to create a team to participate in an event. Once the team is complete, he/she must then pay the required fee and the entry is approved upon successful payment. ONLY ONE PERSON MAY MAKE THE TEAM ENTRY.

    Relays entries are by club, Masters can only represent a club at World Masters Championships, they cannot represent a country. Swimmers may only compete on a relay with other swimmers registered in the same club.

    Open Water Traveling information
    A free train is provided to and from the Open water competition: August 10-12, 2017.

    Departures (Budapest, Déli-palyaudvar): 7:05am, 9:05am
    Arrivals (Balatonfured): 8:55am, 10:55am

    Departures (Balatonfured): 6:23pm, 8:23pm
    Arrivals (Budapest, Déli-palyaudvar): 8:34pm, 10:29pm
    From the organizing committee “Once you arrive to Balatonfüred train station, our collegues will guide you to the open water venue.”
    Venues
    "There will be two pools in Dagály Aquatics Arena, for 25-54 years old competitors, and will be two pools on Margaret island The Hajós Alfred Complex, for 55-100 years old competitors. So there will be four pools in all for the events. Identical events will be going on in all pools."


    COMMUNICATION
    USMS Coaches
    Richard Garza coachrichardusms@gmail.com
    Kata Rutherford katalinrutherford@gmail.com
    Martin Wagner martinmbls@icloud.com
    Janelle Higashida coach@bozemanmasters.org

    FACEBOOK
    Page
    https://www.facebook.com/2017WorldMastersUSMS/

    Group
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/2017WorldMastersUSMS/

    Official event page
    https://www.facebook.com/budapest2017masters/




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    Google Map
    We created an interactive map with all important locations tagged. Competition venues, training facilities, and train stations.
    Click here to access.



    FINA RULES
    All Fina Rules
    http://www.fina.org/content/fina-rules-regulations

    Open Water Rules
    http://www.fina.org/sites/default/files/finaowrules_20152017.pdf

    Swimming Rules
    http://www.fina.org/sites/default/files/finaswrules_20150907.pdf

    Masters Rules
    http://www.fina.org/sites/default/files/finamarules_20152017.pdf


    QUALIFYING TIMES
    SWIMMING
    http://www.fina.org/sites/default/files/general/budapest2017_masters_qualtime.pdf
    OPEN WATER
    TIME LIMITS: Swimmers who cannot complete the 3km distance in 90 minutes are advised not to enter. Swimmers still on the course after this time may be stopped and ordered out of the water; and no time will be given.


    From USAS Chef de Mission report:

    MASTERS

    1. Dates for the FINA Masters Worlds are Aug 7-20, 2017. Thus, there is no overlap of masters and the elite World Championships.

    2. Registration closes June 29th.

    3. There will be some maximum numbers established as follows: 120 Water Polo teams. 130 Synchro solos 1000 athletes per day for Open Water (Aug 10-12) Note: there may be more closures decided at a later date.

    4. Fees are 65.00 per athlete to enter + individual sport entry fees. Coaches and family members entry fee cost is 40.00. Entry fees are nonrefundable/ nontransferable. Accredited persons will have free use of all public transportation in Budapest, discounted hotel prices, available through the OC website and special prices for various cultural programs during the event.

    5. Swimming, Diving, Open Water, Synchronized Swimming and Water Polo will all be held at the same venues as the elite World Championship events. Swimming will be held at the Danube Arena and Margaret Island, Diving at the Danube Arena complex, Open Water at Lake Balaton, and Water Polo at Hajos complex on Margaret Island. Synchronized Swimming will be at the City Park (Hero’s Squad).

    6. Lake Balaton – there will be a dedicated train 2 x day to the Lake for Open Water. The special train takes 1 ˝ hours each direction.

    7. All Masters Events are free to watch.

    8. The OC suggested that family members should register also so they have easier access to the Water Wonder Park, the venue, competing family members during the event, to seating and meeting up with the athletes after their events.

    9. For Masters Swimming, training will be available in the venue and Komjadi indoor/ outdoor pool 7 days prior to competition.

    10. For Masters Synchro, training will be available at the competition pool and training pool.

    11. For Masters Open Water, the event will be held on Aug 10, 11, and 12 and the course will be 3km. The start will be an in the water start and competition will start at either 10AM or 11AM, to be determined. The number of competitors will be limited to 1,000 per day.

    12. All sports will have 2 practice days before competition, except for Swimming and Open Water. Swimming will have 7 days of training and Open Water will have one day.

    13. Water Polo and Synchronized Swimming may request training times via email to the OC.

    14. The OC will have 10,000 rooms for accommodations in either hotels, apartments or hostels. Hotel bookings should be made through the booking.com website.

    15. Breakfast only will be provided in the masters packages.

    16. A separate website is available.

    17. The OC has announced that all Masters competitors will have free access to public transportation using their accreditations.

    18. Masters will pick up their accreditations at the Danube Arena. Desks will be arranged alphabetically at the main center. The process is the same as the elite championship and also smaller desks will be available at the venues. The Accreditation Center will be open from 7:30 AM to 5:30/6:00 PM. Declaration forms will need to be signed. It was unclear if the Federation or individual will sign for Masters.
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    19. Water Wonder Park will be the cultural and festival area for spectators and competitors. There will be 2 main locations at the Danube Arena and on Margaret Island. A smaller one will be in Lake Balaton.

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    Re: 2017 World Masters Champs in Budapest, info for USMS

    From what I can tell the Dagaly complex pools are indoor (for swimmers under 55) and the Margaret Island pools are outdoors (55 and over). Is that correct? If so is there plenty of shade at the outdoor pools (unlike Montreal?) As an over 55 I would have much preferred swimming at the new indoor Dagaly complex...

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    12. All sports will have 2 practice days before competition, except for Swimming and Open Water. Swimming will have 7 days of training and Open Water will have one day.

    What are the hours that the pool will be available for training in the 7 days prior to the competition starting? Also still wondering about the shade availability at the Margaret Island pool? Any suggestions on where to find answers to these questions if not in this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlyChoseMe View Post
    From what I can tell the Dagaly complex pools are indoor (for swimmers under 55) and the Margaret Island pools are outdoors (55 and over). Is that correct? If so is there plenty of shade at the outdoor pools (unlike Montreal?) As an over 55 I would have much preferred swimming at the new indoor Dagaly complex...
    Check on Google maps satellite images. I see no shade in outdoor pool areas. However, the whole complex is within a beautiful park with lots of shade. There is also an indoor pool with locker rooms. Hajos Aquatic complex.
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    Thanks for all the inf that I can think of to use there.

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    Thanks to all who have put lots of info together. Does anyone know if psych sheets or heat sheets are available or if they will be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPohlmann View Post
    Check on Google maps satellite images. I see no shade in outdoor pool areas. However, the whole complex is within a beautiful park with lots of shade. There is also an indoor pool with locker rooms. Hajos Aquatic complex.
    Can you figure out how to get tickets for spectators? I am only allowed to on the 14th. Otherwise, there is no drop down box.

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    Where do we find results?
    "To strive,to seek,to find,and not to yield" Tennyson
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinK View Post
    Thanks.
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    Thank you! Been wondering about some friends.

    Can anyone in Budapest let us know how things are going?! Organized, safe, fun, friendly, and/or beautiful places to see?!

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    Very friendly and beautiful city. We are staying in an apartment that is very conveniently located. Public transportation, which is free to us, is great. Of course, the number 26 bus is full of swimmers and pretty crowded in the morning. Well organized event, but perhaps a little rule bound. The number of security personnel is a bit overwhelming - turnstiles requiring our credentials to get in and out of venue, difficult to access viewing stands from pool deck due to gates and security personnel. Shower rooms separated from changing rooms by an open hallway make having a robe or large towel essential. The weather has been very cooperative. No problem with indoor and outdoor facilities. Hosts are disappointed with the low number of swimmer entries (6,500). They were hoping for more like 9,000. Water polo was very popular. We will visit the spectacular Parliament building tomorrow since we have no events to swim that day. Food is great.
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    Re: 2017 World Masters Champs in Budapest, info for USMS

    wait a minute
    on the fina page they showed 16,000 entries
    thats why a some of us that had been in the italy mess in '12 didnt even try to go.
    now its just 6,500 (which is still pretty huge) but not 9700 italy big.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunruh View Post
    wait a minute
    on the fina page they showed 16,000 entries
    thats why a some of us that had been in the italy mess in '12 didnt even try to go.
    now its just 6,500 (which is still pretty huge) but not 9700 italy big.
    Entry numbers lose something in the translation. Sometimes it means number of events entered. Also they would include the water polo entrants (very popular), synchronized swimming, diving, open water, officials and even the guests (usually spouses) in that number - anyone who registered on the website.
    Last edited by MPohlmann; August 17th, 2017 at 01:52 AM.
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    Also, I'd like to mention that having 4 competition pools and 4 warmup pools here made a big difference in making it less crowded than Riccione. They even had other separate pools for the diving and synchronized swimming. The men and women swam in the same pool, but different age groups swam in different pools which was rotated through the days of competition. That was a little confusing since they numbered the heats continuously through each event, making heat 22 be the first heat at one of the pools, for example.
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    mary,
    riccione had an extremely nice diving and synchro pool. as a matter of fact my first warmup in the outdoor pool was with some ladys from the canadian synchro team and all they did was 25m underwater. it was fun to watch and i was amazed that they would start in the middle of the 50m pool and go to the end underwater.

    6500 swimmers with 4 pools makes the meet feel like 3250...which is big for a usms meet but not so big for worlds. yes it seems like worlds is all about confusion and making money than it is about swimming. and this was told to me by someone NOT from the usa!
    they still have a large number of NT per age group but not the heats and heats of them like riccione.

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    Yeah the is still a lot of work to do to get a mastersworldchampionchip well running..I was last year in London on the Euros and there was messy and chaotic, where people had to stand about one hour and more to get into the pool..I am not sure, if I will participate in any of the big events anymore, because for me as a Master-swimmer is more important to focus on my progress than on winning medals...but I guess I am very lonely with my attitude.

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