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    Re: This Butterfly might get you disqualifed

    You two are not old enough to realize that someday that frog kick will help get your shoulders out of the water, so you can perform a legal recovery.

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    Re: This Butterfly might get you disqualifed

    Quote Originally Posted by Windrath View Post
    You two are not old enough to realize that someday that frog kick will help get your shoulders out of the water, so you can perform a legal recovery.
    Whoa, I had never seen or heard of this before. I'd personally rather them allow the dolphin kick on the breast than the frog kick on fly, though!

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    Re: This Butterfly might get you disqualifed

    Quote Originally Posted by Windrath View Post
    You two are not old enough to realize that someday that frog kick will help get your shoulders out of the water, so you can perform a legal recovery.
    Hey! I resemble that remark! However, I don't get how people think the whip kick can be so good for older knees, never mind that it is altogether less streamlined than the dolphin!


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    Re: This Butterfly might get you disqualifed

    Ok - love the emoji Redbird Alum!

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    Re: This Butterfly might get you disqualifed

    Quote Originally Posted by Redbird Alum View Post
    Hey! I resemble that remark! However, I don't get how people think the whip kick can be so good for older knees, never mind that it is altogether less streamlined than the dolphin!
    I'm a breaststroke and learn fly with dolphin kick years ago. I can't do the fly with a whip kick it has to do with coordination since I learned fly with the dolphin not the whip kick.

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    Re: This Butterfly might get you disqualifed

    Agree with the frog/whip kick and my sore knees! Long live the dolphin kick.

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    Re: This Butterfly might get you disqualifed

    Quote Originally Posted by Windrath View Post
    67King,

    I would agree with you. I might send to a USA Swimming National level official and see what she thinks. There is a butterflyer at RPI who swims like Yuma and she has never been DQ'd.

    What I have heard from some USA Swimming officials is that it almost impossible to make the resubmerge call because the swimmer's tempo is sufficiently fast that they cannot be sure the entire body is submerged.

    Thanks!
    I know this is an old thread, but an interesting article came up about Yuma, and I thought I'd share it, here. Turns out he actually has been DQ'd before, but only rarely. It does bring up the rule to which it pertains, and actually quotes it, as well:
    https://swimswam.com/stretched-out-b...ngated-stroke/

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    Re: This Butterfly might get you disqualifed

    Quote Originally Posted by 67King View Post
    I know this is an old thread, but an interesting article came up about Yuma, and I thought I'd share it, here. Turns out he actually has been DQ'd before, but only rarely. It does bring up the rule to which it pertains, and actually quotes it, as well:
    https://swimswam.com/stretched-out-b...ngated-stroke/
    Yep, he's definitely toeing that line of legality. But I think when you're at the bleeding edge of performance like that, everybody does it to some extent. Look at breaststroke pullouts, 15m underwaters, back-to-breast IM turns. You train yourself to skirt the right side of that edge so that it's automatic, and that takes a lot of the risk out of performing that way in a race.

    This doesn't apply to *most* Masters swimmers... though my breaststroke pullouts tend to get a little questionable when I get tired.
    400 IMer/200 backstroker in another life, now sprinter/breaststroker... Yeah, I don't know how that happened either!

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    Re: This Butterfly might get you disqualifed

    I "float" more now that I'm out of competition shape in the summer!

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