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    Re: Times invalidated because of pool measurement certificat

    bulkheads move
    period
    they flex
    the holes egg out
    the wrong pins may be used
    and there are a few ways to even cheat with them - yes ive seen it
    i've seen World Records erased - same meet as my top 10s that were erased

    bulkheads need to be measured as per the rules

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    Re: Times invalidated because of pool measurement certificat

    Quote Originally Posted by ElaineK View Post
    See Paul Windrath's post. You'll be fine!
    That's not how I'm reading the meet information. I will be contacting both the meet host and the National Office to make sure. Don't want any surprises when I try to enter the 1650 without a valid NQT.

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    That much flex, it seems to me. to be a construction design fault. We need to make manufactures hold to specified amount of flex .
    Maybe additional anchor points along the length of the movable wall portion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orca1946 View Post
    That much flex, it seems to me. to be a construction design fault. We need to make manufactures hold to specified amount of flex .
    Maybe additional anchor points along the length of the movable wall portion.
    so you are willing to put up the monies for this, thanks for volunteering

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    Re: Times invalidated because of pool measurement certificat

    If I were selling these --- a suggestion to the manufacture to improve them and if they did, would be a greater selling point.

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    Re: Times invalidated because of pool measurement certificat

    Quote Originally Posted by Karlene View Post
    Bob, I understand your frustration in having top 10 swims invalidated. I've probably lost over 20 TT times over the past 25 years due to RD not submitting results and inaccurate pool lengths. I was also at the meet in question, spending two nights in hotels, meals, travel, etc. My goal was to get a NQT in the mile to use for SC Nationals in Indy. My 1500 meter time was 35 seconds faster than the NQT straight up and over a minute faster when converted from LCM to SCY. My question to USMS is: Am I going to have to go to another out of town meet, with the attendant expenses, when my invalidated time is easily faster than the NQT? Per Paul's earlier post, 1/4 inch per length comes out to about 8 inches over 1500 meters. Obviously it won't take me over a minute to cover those 8 inches. And no, I can't enter this event without a NQT per the meet information.
    Karlene,

    Here is a link to the NQT FAQ:
    www.usms.org/comp/NQT-FAQ.pdf

    Here is a cut and paste of the relevant section that may answer your question:

    3. Where can I swim my times (e.g. does it have to be a USMS meet)?
    Can a USA-S meet, a nonsanctioned meet or a time from my coach during workout count as achieving the NQT?
    It does not have to be swum at a USMS sanctioned meet. It can be swum at a USA-S meet, a YMCA meet or during a time trial or in a workout with your coach.
    So no, you don't have to travel to another meet.

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    Re: Times invalidated because of pool measurement certificat

    Quote Originally Posted by sunruh View Post
    bulkheads move
    period
    they flex
    the holes egg out
    the wrong pins may be used
    and there are a few ways to even cheat with them - yes ive seen it
    i've seen World Records erased - same meet as my top 10s that were erased

    bulkheads need to be measured as per the rules
    Exactly. The only way to know for sure if the pool meets the requirements is to measure it before and during the course of a meet.

    Quote Originally Posted by orca1946 View Post
    That much flex, it seems to me. to be a construction design fault. We need to make manufactures hold to specified amount of flex
    Not really. It's a function of the lane lines being tightened. Tighten them too much and there's going to be some bowing.

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    Re: Times invalidated because of pool measurement certificat

    Quote Originally Posted by jroddin View Post
    Karlene,

    Here is a link to the NQT FAQ:
    www.usms.org/comp/NQT-FAQ.pdf

    Here is a cut and paste of the relevant section that may answer your question:



    So no, you don't have to travel to another meet.

    Jeff Roddin
    USMS Championship Committee Chair
    Thanks for the clarification, Jeff. I do find it odd that NQTs are required but an honor system is being used. Assumed a verification for that time would be expected to avoid super slow entries (the purpose of a NQT).

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    Re: Times invalidated because of pool measurement certificat

    Quote Originally Posted by Karlene View Post
    Thanks for the clarification, Jeff. I do find it odd that NQTs are required but an honor system is being used. Assumed a verification for that time would be expected to avoid super slow entries (the purpose of a NQT).
    So Jeff, just for clarification, if the coach captures a time for you that meets the NQT standards, does it have to be recorded anywhere? Or is this where the honor system comes into play? We have a tiny team in Memphis and are looking for opportunities for some of our folks to go to Nationals and do more than three events if they can. Thanks in advance.
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    Re: Times invalidated because of pool measurement certificat

    Quote Originally Posted by flystorms View Post
    So Jeff, just for clarification, if the coach captures a time for you that meets the NQT standards, does it have to be recorded anywhere? Or is this where the honor system comes into play? We have a tiny team in Memphis and are looking for opportunities for some of our folks to go to Nationals and do more than three events if they can. Thanks in advance.
    I had the same kind of question because I didn't know if I'd be able to go to an SCY meet before Nationals and I wanted to expand from my SCM meet schedule of 50s, and it does indeed look like it's more or less an honor system - there isn't a proof-of-time procedure like in USA-S meets.
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    Re: Times invalidated because of pool measurement certificat

    Quote Originally Posted by flystorms View Post
    So Jeff, just for clarification, if the coach captures a time for you that meets the NQT standards, does it have to be recorded anywhere? Or is this where the honor system comes into play? We have a tiny team in Memphis and are looking for opportunities for some of our folks to go to Nationals and do more than three events if they can. Thanks in advance.
    See FAQ&A here:
    http://forums.usms.org/showthread.ph...l=1#post177260

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